From an INC Fanatics that try hard to be a cool antagonist. Let me get this as straight as it could Job Bautista.
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| This is a post from one of the supposed antagonists who can't keep up the discussion. |
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
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| His attempt on diverting the topic and declaring a winner by just simply using a term irrelevant to the main topic. Here he thinks as an absolute value of "ὁ Θεὸς" has the same meaning as the Tetragrammaton, which obviously addresses directly to the Father. Yes of Course since He (YHWH) is God. And yet the subject is, how are you going to reconcile that same usage to Christ in Hebrews 1:8 which you (INC) believe that it is not his title. So, back to my question, how are you gonna use that in our subject? |
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
3 εἰ δὲ καὶ ἔστιν κεκαλυμμένον τὸ εὐαγγέλιον ἡμῶν, ἐν τοῖς ἀπολλυμένοις ἐστὶν κεκαλυμμένον,
4 ἐν οἷς ὁ θεὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου ἐτύφλωσεν τὰ νοήματα τῶν ἀπίστων εἰς τὸ μὴ αὐγάσαι τὸν φωτισμὸν τοῦ εὐαγγελίου τῆς δόξης τοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ Θεοῦ. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 Nestle 1904
The underlined Greek which is (ὁ θεὸς) ho theos has nothing to do with Christ or the Father. And yet the usage was clear. So, did I define you as uneducated about your own ideology that you can't define? It perfectly does.
And back to the topic -
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| Here's the Greek to English from Hebrews 1:8 |
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| And the part where he insisted that I'm supposed to be wrong. Seriously bro? |
Jerry Nuñez Bustillo mag basa ka tagalog na yan , huwag puro bunganga ang pinangbabasa mo
Maraming Beses na nating nakikita at naririnig na palaging ginagamit ang mga talata ng Hebreo 1:8 para patunayan na Dios daw talaga si Cristo.Sapagkat mismo ang AMA daw ang tumawag na Dios sa anak. .narito ang nilalaman ng talata.
Hebreo 1:8 “ Nguni't tungkol sa Anak ay sinasabi, ANG IYONG LUKLUKAN, OH DIOS, ay magpakailan man; At ang setro ng katuwiran ay siyang setro ng iyong kaharian.”
And look at here, he's trying to bend the topic by his own ideology that he can't even stand. I have ask you already to present your side about your said understanding on "Ho Theos" as God the Father in Hebrews 1:8, and there you are trying to make a good diversion pretending you know something. Where's your laughing now? And where's your presentation of the Text? My presentation is simple "Ho Theos" simply means "O God" in Hebrews 1:8 and you're trying to make fun of it by simply grabbing something not even relevant to the subject. Was this everything your poor ministers taught you?
ang pinaka Key word nila jan ay "Tungkol sa anak ay sinabi" Ganyan agad mag haka haka karamihan para palabasin na Dios talaga si Cristo.Ganito ang payo ng Biblia :
Yes, exactly. So why are you using the term "God the Father" addressing the Sons in Hebrews 1:8 since we're talking about the Son of God? Did you catch it already? Or maybe no, because of your poor understanding.
Roma 12:16 “ Mangagkaisa kayo ng pagiisip. Huwag ninyong ilagak ang inyong pagiisip sa mga bagay na kapalaluan, kundi makiayon kayo sa mga bagay na may kapakumbabaan. Huwag kayong mga pantas sa inyong sariling mga haka. ”
Hebrews 1:8"But of the Son he says, `GOD IS YOUR THRONE forever and ever! And a righteous sceptre is the sceptre of his kingdom! `" (Goodspeed)Hebrews 1:8 "He says of the Son, `GOD IS THY THRONE for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity`." ( Moffat Translation)
This has been the oldest Goodies that most INC use as the correct translation of their Unitarian teachings. The question is, can you sustain it? How many INC ever read the Godspeed and Moffats translation that could testify that it is the actual translation of biblical text? No one, of course. They don't use that scripture but rather pick up just one of it here and another one there to satisfy their doctrine.
Maliwanag ang banggit sa mga verse na ito: “ GOD IS YOUR THRONE” o “GOD IS THY THRONE” na sa tagalog ay “ANG DIYOS AY IYONG LUKLUKAN” Mas lalong pinalinaw sa atin.
Of Course, if that's what your ministers say using your own selected bible version to satisfy the doctrine of INC. I agree, why not?
Alam po ba kaya nila na ang talatang yan ay quoted po mula sa AWIT 45:6.? Dapat nating malaman na ang sinasabi sa Hebreo 1:8 ay isang propesiya o hula tungkol sa pagdating ng Mesias na mababasa sa Lumang Tipan na sinipi mula sa Mga Awit 45:6 na nagsasabi ng ganito: Ating pong basahin ang nasabing talata sa Bibliang isinalin ng mga Judio sa panahon natin ngayon:Psalms 45:6 "THY THRONE, GIVEN OF GOD, endureth for ever and ever; the sceptre of thy kingdom." (Jewish Publications Society of America Translation )
And there are the excuses, using the same passage as quoted in the old testament with a poor textual understanding. Christ mostly quoted the old testament which is his own words and the Apostles even Paul knows how this was addressed and to whom it was addressed. You're simply telling me that Paul as the Apostle to the Gentile is wrong in his understanding using the text by quoting the Old Testament. Can you justify that?
Maliwanag na sinasabi sa talatang iyan na isinalin ng mga Judio na: “ THY THRONE, GIVEN OF GOD” o sa Filipino ay “ANG IYONG LUKLUKAN, BIGAY NG DIYOS”
Come again? "Isinalin ng mga Judio"? From what translation or version was that? Does this mean you don't know where it was translated or any biblical background? Should I educate you about that?
Malinaw na malinaw po na "ANG IYONG LUKLUKAN AY BIGAY NG DIOS?."At ito ay binigyang linaw naman sa unahan ng kapitulo na ang Diyos ay magbibigay ng kaniyang kaharian sa isang HARI.
Just as I have said, if that's what your minister told you so, then it was best for you. It could be the best translation for your INC ideology. The question remains, does he have the right to simply select only the best part for your doctrine or just use it for INC's sake? See how you fail?
Some of the screenshots were deleted accidentally from my phone so I have to dig it somewhere in my History or in the Group History. I'll be back for part 2 if I got some of it.
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| Okay, so here's some childish OP. I don't know how this guy think of us as LDS. Seems like they misunderstood Joseph Smiths Calling VS as perfect man a prophet. Did he said anything he sinless? |
So, what is it we are looking for? What is the answer that satisfy the question? What is supposed to be discussed in such senseless OP? We as humans believe everyone makes plenty of mistakes and even Joseph Smith is not good about it. But let's just get to the answer using a scriptural statement rather than taking the bait. This wouldn't lead us somewhere, rather it just leads us to become childish.
Below are the list of quotes that possibly a good response, unless you don't like it -
Mormon 9:31 Condemn me not because of mine imperfection, neither my father, because of his imperfection, neither them who have written before him; but rather give thanks unto God that he hath made manifest unto you our imperfections, that ye may learn to be more wise than we have been.
...Who, among all the Saints in these last days can consider himself as good as our Lord? Who is as perfect? Who is as pure? Who is as holy as He was? Are they to be found? He never transgressed or broke a commandment or law of heaven—no deceit was in His mouth, neither was guile found in His heart. And yet one that ate with Him, who had often drunk of the same cup, was the first to lift up his heel against Him. Where is one like Christ? He cannot be found on earth....
(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith)
And here's some Biblical Passage -
1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
The quote goes on. These are but just few quotes about LDS teachings on the life of Joseph. To think Joseph Smith Jr. was as just as Christ or sinless, isn't a constructive criticism. Why bother opening up something not even close to reality?
Every sins that can be acknowledged of course everyone can easily acknowledge it. But there's not point in it by just looking up a sin and just a sin nothing more, nothing less. Why would everyone do that? Moses, David, Solomon, Abraham, Job and so on, were normal people who sinned throughout their lives. Do we need to acknowledge it?
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| Iba Philippines Stake Conference. Scheduled on March 25-26, 2023 |
Sunday, March 26, 2023, and the last part of the Conference where I arrived around 8 am for choir practice.
We had a quick practice for a choir at 10 am. It's kind of frustrating, but I was given the strength to go on. I'll be conducting the choir and hope this goes well.
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| Me at the Piano. While waiting for the others. |
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| The Stake Center with President Torio (Stake President) and his Family. He leads the cleaning. ☺️ |
"It doesn't matter where you serve, what matter is how you serve."
He also quotes some parts of the Hymn titled "The Time is Far Spent".
He added an invitation in regards to "whatever circumstances or situation in life, do not steep away from this Church. The church is a house of safety, a refuge..."
President Colton (Mission President of the Philippines Olongapo Mission) then made his statements. He quoted Moses' time when he commanded the people to look up to the serpent when most of the people were lack of faith to follow the instructions. He made a comparison to the story of the stripling warriors and how the parents keep their covenant and by their faith, their sons' lives were spared in the battle.
President Ricardo Torio of Iba Philippines Stake made his statement as the concluding speaker. He talks most about focusing our lives on Christ. He shares some of the messages from Elder Bednar during their meetings. He shared some experiences with his family, on how a small act could lead to a huge effect. Such a small act of unrighteousness, procrastination, breaking of covenants, or disobedience. He refers to this example with a story while they grill some meat and he asks his son to take small charcoal in a file of straws and garbage and leave it for a time. A prompt came up to get out of the house and they saw a huge fire burn almost their surroundings. The same could also lead to spiritual growth if a little amount of sin or wrongdoing that was neglected could change a great impact even in generations.
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| Saturday Program of Iba Stake Conference |
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| Sunday Program of Iba Stake Conference |
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| Photo's of choir members performing during the conference with me as the music director (in far right). |
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| Bulawen Branch Members Attending the stake conference |
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| Some Shot at the Sunset. |
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| Another shot. |
That's most of the events of the day, and I have to make an End. 😁
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| Iba Philippine Stake Conference Scheduled on March 25-26, 2023 |
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| Took a picture while heading to stake center. But I never got there for some health reason. |
Common Concern: Thief on the Cross
¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.- Isaiah 55:8-9
It's unclear as to how the thief was forgiven in an instant with Christ declaring the thief to be with him in Paradise. Although Christ can forgive sins and heals our sickened soul, it remained a question to some as to how was it possible that way.
My straight answer is, God knows the desire of our hearts. He knows that when in times we realized the wrong thing and wanted to change but had no opportunity to do so, or perhaps we never had any chance after some circumstances. He knows what's within us and of course as a loving God, He could do whatever He Could to save His children through Christ's Grace.
Consider this from the life of Joseph Smith after the vision of the Celestial Kingdom with his brother Alvin -
5 I saw Father Adam and Abraham; and my father and my mother; my brother Alvin, that has long since slept;
6 And marveled how it was that he had obtained an inheritance in that kingdom, seeing that he had departed this life before the Lord had set his hand to gather Israel the second time, and had not been baptized for the remission of sins.
7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;
8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;
9 For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.
10 And I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven. - Doctrine and Covenants 137:5-10
Do we still question God and his ways? Here is from the life of Christ, Matthew 9 -
And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city.
2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.
4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
7 And he arose, and departed to his house.
8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.
We never knew what the sick man did or what kind of sin he had. But Christ knows him, though he couldn't speak up of his desire, yet Christ knows his soul.
O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me.
2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.
3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.
- Psalms 139
Another good example of how God judge us according to our desire is found in this passage in Jeremiah 17:10, which says this
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
To sum up, we never knew how God judge us and we never knew the desire of one man's heart. Only God knows you or me or everyone else that you know, even if you think someone can't do righteous deeds but God knows and the only being can judge them.
Question: So, is it possible to sin a little and end up confessing since God knows our desire?
Yes, we do sin, we are not perfect and day by day we encounter different kinds of challenges. But there's no such excuse for doing goodness or righteousness. Just as I had said, God knows our desire, and if we intend to do good things then why do it rationally on the opposite? If our intention is to do bad and may feel to have witnessed the love of God in doing good things, it would be better that way instead of desiring to do good things after every bad decision through procrastination.
27 And now, my brethren, I wish from the inmost part of my heart, yea, with great anxiety even unto pain, that ye would hearken unto my words, and cast off your sins, and not procrastinate the day of your repentance;
28 But that ye would humble yourselves before the Lord, and call on his holy name, and watch and pray continually, that ye may not be tempted above that which ye can bear, and thus be led by the Holy Spirit, becoming humble, meek, submissive, patient, full of love and all long-suffering;
29 Having faith on the Lord; having a hope that ye shall receive eternal life; having the love of God always in your hearts, that ye may be lifted up at the last day and enter into his rest.
30 And may the Lord grant unto you repentance, that ye may not bring down his wrath upon you, that ye may not be bound down by the chains of hell, that ye may not suffer the second death. Alma 13:27-30
There is no such thing as a middle ground, if your intention is to do good things, then stay true to it. We should remember that God Judge us through the desire of our hearts, understanding minds and good works.
Brethren, within the confines of whatever circumstances we find ourselves, we will always have the right to choose.
Next, with the right of choice comes the responsibility to choose. We cannot be neutral; there is no middle ground. The Lord knows this; Lucifer knows this. As long as we live upon this earth, Lucifer and his hosts will never abandon the hope of claiming our souls. - Thomas S. Monson (The Three Rs of Choice)
The simplest solution is, to do the right thing and let God do his part. We never knew how the thief on the cross receive his forgiveness, but we knew he was left there in Paradise with some other saints waiting for the final judgements. We never knew and we couldn't tell God's mind about this matter, the only thing we can do is to make the right choices.
25 ¶ Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
- Ezekiel 18
In conclusion, whether the thief was saved or not, the main concern is to repent and have the desire to change. We don't know the full story of the thief before he was hung on the cross on the side of Christ. There could be a repentance process made or maybe no. Maybe some effort to learn about Christ and admitted his faults or something else we never know about. One thing is sure enough, Christ will forgive sins and will save us through his grace as long as we do our part.
- Jerry N. Bustillo
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| Cake that I bought from Red Ribbon |
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| A post from her profile. |
