Failure has its limits, and we have the unlimited capacity of Trying.
- Jerry N. Bustillo
Failure has its limits.
Failure has its limits, and we have the unlimited capacity of Trying.
- Jerry N. Bustillo
Failure has its limits.
Failure has its limits, and we have the unlimited capacity of Trying.
- Jerry N. Bustillo
Christ as God
One of the conversation with someone in Facebook who knows the CHRIST is just a mere human. Has a different divine calling. I made my commentary in italics and add some references. See below are the list of scriptures we use.
Colosas 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
- This is one of the post that I posted one time that none of the INC responded. The term use as GODHEAD BODILY is infact the nature of Christ currently and even the world before it was created.
John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
- This never conflicts about his nature, since the word 'come in flesh' obviously states something that he has a different nature than an ordinary human. We don't need to use 'come in flesh' term if obviously all human born of it in nature. Conflict? I don't think so.
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1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
- The word died doesn't change his nature as a God. The only thing that dies is his human body which is not yet a glorified Element.
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1 Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen
- You use this to simply justify the claim that God could never be mortal and yet Christ had died physically. But you never realized how this message to Timothy simply states that it is the same being that was mentioned by Paul. Here's the reference -
1 Timothy 6
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
- Clearly, Christ is also immortal, invisible, etc... So, what's the difference? Nothing at all.
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1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
- Using this scripture doesn't change the nature of his Godship. Christ was crucified and died, but he was resurrected, the only thing that matters. Death is part of the plan and Christ was the example of obedience. Which mean, death is nothing more than a essential part of Christ line upon line Glory.
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Colossians 2:9 as quoted -
Divine nature meaning "attributes" not state of being God.
- Really? I don't know how you understand that word BODILY.
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Matthew 28:18
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth
Sino ang nagbigay kay JC ng authority?
Matt. 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
- Yes it is clear that The Father is superior than the Christ. Obviously, Christ called Him Father stands directly as higher than him. But that doesn't change his divinity. Look closely what and how it say 1. all power/authority is given to him in heaven and in earth. Does this mean that Christ is equal with the Father? If his not, why would God the Father allow that everything (ALL) will be given to him? What's the father's purpose anyway?
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Does this meant that JC is god?
Answer is no:
1 Corinthians 15
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
- And we will go in circle using the same statement. That doesn't change his nature. If so, then why God the Father allows his son to have Power Authority or Dominion over all things in heaven or in earth? Why need someone to do his work where he is omnipotent, omniscience, omnicompetent and everything else. Why need somebody to take over and hand him everything he has?
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So I'll add the statement of Paul to the Hebrew and ask. How do you understand it?
Hebrew 1
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom
- It was the father speaking to the son.
Christ as God
One of the conversations with someone on Facebook who knows the CHRIST is just a mere human. Has a different divine calling. I made my commentary in italics and add some references. See below the list of scriptures we use. -
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| God the Father and Jesus Christ by Del Parson |
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
- This is one of the posts that I posted one time that none of the INC responded to. The term used as GODHEAD BODILY is in fact the nature of Christ currently and even the world before it was created.
John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
- This never conflicts with his nature, since the word 'come in flesh' obviously states something that he has a different nature than an ordinary human. We don't need to use the 'come in flesh' term if obviously all humans are born of it in nature. Conflict? I don't think so.
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1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
- The word died doesn't change his nature as a God. The only thing that dies is his human body which is not yet a glorified Element.
----
1 Timothy 1:17Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen
- You use this to justify the claim that God could never be mortal, yet Christ had died physically. But you never realized how this message to Timothy simply states that it is the same being that was mentioned by Paul. Here's the reference -
1 Timothy 614 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
- Clearly, Christ is also immortal, invisible, etc... So, what's the difference? Nothing at all.
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1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
- Using this scripture doesn't change the nature of his Godship. Christ was crucified and died, but he was resurrected, the only thing that matters. Death is part of the plan and Christ was the example of obedience. Which means, death is nothing more than an essential part of Christ's line upon line Glory.
----
Colossians 2:9 as quoted -Divine nature means "attributes" not state of being God.
- Really? I don't know how you understand the word BODILY.
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Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth
Sino ang nagbigay kay JC ng authority?
Matt. 11:27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
- Yes it is clear that The Father is superior than the Christ. Obviously, Christ called Him Father stands directly as higher than him. But that doesn't change his divinity. Look closely what and how it say 1. all power/authority is given to him in heaven and in earth. Does this mean that Christ is equal with the Father? If his not, why would God the Father allow that everything (ALL) will be given to him? What's the father's purpose anyway?
----
Does this meant that JC is god?Answer is no:
1 Corinthians 1527 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
- And we will go in a circle using the same statement. That doesn't change his nature. If so, then why God the Father allows his son to have Power Authority or Dominion over all things in heaven or on earth? Why need someone to do his work where he is omnipotent, omniscient, omnicompetent and everything else. Why need somebody to take over and hand him everything he has?
----
So I'll add the statement of Paul to the Hebrew and ask. How do you understand it?
Hebrew 1: 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom
- It was the father speaking to the son.
For an update: She never responded back.
He keep his Bones.
Scriptural chains - understanding how the Prophecy fulfilled the Lord God keep his Bones and none of it are broken even if he carries a burden and dies for us.
Psalm 34
19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all.
20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
Fulfilled in -
John 19
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
The God who kept his bone was prophesied or mention in the Psalmist Song, is the same being that was put to death for the sins of the world.
He keep his Bones.
Scriptural chains - understanding how the Prophecy fulfilled the Lord God keep his Bones and none of it are broken even if he carries a burden and dies for us.
Psalm 34
19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all.
20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
Fulfilled in -
John 19
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
The God who kept his bone was prophesied or mention in the Psalmist Song, is the same being that was put to death for the sins of the world.
Mormon Doctrine
I added a link for a free PDF download about the Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConckie. Go and See it here.
Mormon Doctrine
I added a link for a free PDF download about the Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConckie. Go and See it here.
Mormon Doctrine
I added a link for a free PDF download about the Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConckie. Go and See it here.
Mormon Doctrine
Mormon Doctrine < = Available Link
I could write a review on this one time. It's a good book. Though must of Non-LDS quotes some of it trying to make any misleading information. I will be adding this one soon with my commentary on it.
Mormon Doctrine
Mormon Doctrine < = Available Link
I could write a review on this one time. It's a good book. Though must of Non-LDS quotes some of it trying to make any misleading information. I will be adding this one soon with my commentary on it.
About the INC: LINKS
Found this link and I don't know if this helpful. I don't want to exposed something about the belief or faith of INC members or the church. I just want to be in the neutral ground. But this is too much, INC even in social media are so hostile. They would do anything they want to silence you even it means harming you physically. This is not God's Message and this would just simply says negative side of INC Religion. Anyway, check on the link about it and comment down if you think this is helpful or not. Thank you.
About the INC: LINKS
Found this link and I don't know if this helpful. I don't want to exposed something about the belief or faith of INC members or the church. I just want to be in the neutral ground. But this is too much, INC even in social media are so hostile. They would do anything they want to silence you even it means harming you physically. This is not God's Message and this would just simply says negative side of INC Religion. Anyway, check on the link about it and comment down if you think this is helpful or not. Thank you.
INC Fundamental-Belief Under the Microscope: Episode 1
I posted this one time in a group where Job Bautista is trying to expose LDS teaching in his funny microscope. I made this challenge to him. But I never notice his single words about it. Also, the admin of the group blocks some of my posts so there's no way I could get a good response to them. So, I'll repost it here one time to see how Job Bautista truly understands their teachings. So please any INC members who attempt to answer this, please make sure it was quoted in a reliable source
Let's Start -
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Another failed teachings of INC teach about Felix as the bird of prey from Isaiah 46 which describes the return of Jews to their land by Cyrus of Persia.
Since this is already debunked a couple of times already and yet inc still insisted their faulty translation is accurate without any revelation.
But here's another thing -
In regards to the question.
... the Prophecy as the north and south which restrain the people to whom brother Felix Y. Manalo was sent?
I would like to use the meaning in Dictionary about this Prophecy -
Merriam Webster: to moderate or limit the force, effect, development, or full exercise of
(see other lists of the meaning in the image below)
So here's the thing, Felix was sent to stop or to cease this retraining thing from the north and south. They refer to it by quoting the "Modern times and the living past" by Henry W. Elson. I have a complete copy of this book and try to figure out how Felix Manalo fulfilled it. As I further read it, I didn't see how he was involved in history and not even the Philippines became a major Country as he claimed he was sent.
Let's Start -
---
Another failed teachings of INC teach about Felix as the bird of prey from Isaiah 46 which describes the return of Jews to their land by Cyrus of Persia.
Since this is already debunked a couple of times already and yet inc still insisted their faulty translation is accurate without any revelation.
But here's another thing -
In regards to the question.
... the Prophecy as the north and south which restrain the people to whom brother Felix Y. Manalo was sent?
I would like to use the meaning in Dictionary about this Prophecy -
Merriam Webster: to moderate or limit the force, effect, development, or full exercise of
(see other lists of the meaning in the image below)
So here's the thing, Felix was sent to stop or to cease this retraining thing from the north and south. They refer to it by quoting the "Modern times and the living past" by Henry W. Elson. I have a complete copy of this book and try to figure out how Felix Manalo fulfilled it. As I further read it, I didn't see how he was involved in history and not even the Philippines became a major Country as he claimed he was sent.
Ok, so here we go -
1. Just because the North and South in which INC claim was Mentioned in Isaiah, was it a fulfillment of the Teutonic Order?
2. If it was the fulfillment, when did Manalo take lead in his role that he was sent to cease?
3. When was the time that it happens that Manalo was involved in the history as Rizal and the Three Philippine Priest stands out for truth?
4. Did it happen that way or just claim it was fulfilled because of Isaiah's declaration that pointed out North and South without knowing the right geographical places, claiming it as Catholicism and Protestants in whom he was sent to stop the spreading in the Philippines?
5. Was Isaiah's Prophecy all about Catholics and Protestant upcoming domination or something else?
6. Was INC teachings all about it, Brainwashing people using history that Manalo is not even involved?
1. Just because the North and South in which INC claim was Mentioned in Isaiah, was it a fulfillment of the Teutonic Order?
2. If it was the fulfillment, when did Manalo take lead in his role that he was sent to cease?
3. When was the time that it happens that Manalo was involved in the history as Rizal and the Three Philippine Priest stands out for truth?
4. Did it happen that way or just claim it was fulfilled because of Isaiah's declaration that pointed out North and South without knowing the right geographical places, claiming it as Catholicism and Protestants in whom he was sent to stop the spreading in the Philippines?
5. Was Isaiah's Prophecy all about Catholics and Protestant upcoming domination or something else?
6. Was INC teachings all about it, Brainwashing people using history that Manalo is not even involved?
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| Okay, so let's magnify our microscope. "Prophecy... North and South which restrained the People to whom Brother Felix Y. Manalo was sent..." When did it Happen? 🤔 |
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| From the Modern Times and the Living Past. When did Felix Manalo receive his call? or should I say how was he involved in any of it? From North and South European Nation to East Philippines? Not even close to Isaiah's Prophecy. |
 |
| Okay, so here's the retrain definition. How did he prevent the restraining or to something he wasn't even involved? |
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| An Actual Soft Copy of the Reformation. I couldn't even link him or the INC church about their claim. Has this become a part of their Belief? |
 |
| It will be better to know how exactly this whole history goes and how INC got to be involved in their timeline. So much brainwashing teachings. |
INC Fundamental-Belief Under the Microscope: Episode 1
I posted this one time in a group where Job Bautista is trying to expose LDS teaching in his funny microscope. I made this challenge to him. But I never notice his single words about it. Also, the admin of the group blocks some of my posts so there's no way I could get a good response to them. So, I'll repost it here one time to see how Job Bautista truly understands their teachings. So please any INC members who attempt to answer this, please make sure it was quoted in a reliable source
Let's Start -
---
Another failed teachings of INC teach about Felix as the bird of prey from Isaiah 46 which describes the return of Jews to their land by Cyrus of Persia.
Since this is already debunked a couple of times already and yet inc still insisted their faulty translation is accurate without any revelation.
But here's another thing -
In regards to the question.
... the Prophecy as the north and south which restrain the people to whom brother Felix Y. Manalo was sent?
I would like to use the meaning in Dictionary about this Prophecy -
Merriam Webster: to moderate or limit the force, effect, development, or full exercise of
(see other lists of the meaning in the image below)
So here's the thing, Felix was sent to stop or to cease this retraining thing from the north and south. They refer to it by quoting the "Modern times and the living past" by Henry W. Elson. I have a complete copy of this book and try to figure out how Felix Manalo fulfilled it. As I further read it, I didn't see how he was involved in history and not even the Philippines became a major Country as he claimed he was sent.
Let's Start -
---
Another failed teachings of INC teach about Felix as the bird of prey from Isaiah 46 which describes the return of Jews to their land by Cyrus of Persia.
Since this is already debunked a couple of times already and yet inc still insisted their faulty translation is accurate without any revelation.
But here's another thing -
In regards to the question.
... the Prophecy as the north and south which restrain the people to whom brother Felix Y. Manalo was sent?
I would like to use the meaning in Dictionary about this Prophecy -
Merriam Webster: to moderate or limit the force, effect, development, or full exercise of
(see other lists of the meaning in the image below)
So here's the thing, Felix was sent to stop or to cease this retraining thing from the north and south. They refer to it by quoting the "Modern times and the living past" by Henry W. Elson. I have a complete copy of this book and try to figure out how Felix Manalo fulfilled it. As I further read it, I didn't see how he was involved in history and not even the Philippines became a major Country as he claimed he was sent.
Ok, so here we go -
1. Just because the North and South in which INC claim was Mentioned in Isaiah, was it a fulfillment of the Teutonic Order?
2. If it was the fulfillment, when did Manalo take lead in his role that he was sent to cease?
3. When was the time that it happens that Manalo was involved in the history as Rizal and the Three Philippine Priest stands out for truth?
4. Did it happen that way or just claim it was fulfilled because of Isaiah's declaration that pointed out North and South without knowing the right geographical places, claiming it as Catholicism and Protestants in whom he was sent to stop the spreading in the Philippines?
5. Was Isaiah's Prophecy all about Catholics and Protestant upcoming domination or something else?
6. Was INC teachings all about it, Brainwashing people using history that Manalo is not even involved?
1. Just because the North and South in which INC claim was Mentioned in Isaiah, was it a fulfillment of the Teutonic Order?
2. If it was the fulfillment, when did Manalo take lead in his role that he was sent to cease?
3. When was the time that it happens that Manalo was involved in the history as Rizal and the Three Philippine Priest stands out for truth?
4. Did it happen that way or just claim it was fulfilled because of Isaiah's declaration that pointed out North and South without knowing the right geographical places, claiming it as Catholicism and Protestants in whom he was sent to stop the spreading in the Philippines?
5. Was Isaiah's Prophecy all about Catholics and Protestant upcoming domination or something else?
6. Was INC teachings all about it, Brainwashing people using history that Manalo is not even involved?
 |
| Okay, so let's magnify our microscope. "Prophecy... North and South which restrained the People to whom Brother Felix Y. Manalo was sent..." When did it Happen? 🤔 |
 |
| From the Modern Times and the Living Past. When did Felix Manalo receive his call? or should I say how was he involved in any of it? From North and South European Nation to East Philippines? Not even close to Isaiah's Prophecy. |
 |
| Okay, so here's the retrain definition. How did he prevent the restraining or to something he wasn't even involved? |
 |
| An Actual Soft Copy of the Reformation. I couldn't even link him or the INC church about their claim. Has this become a part of their Belief? |
 |
| It will be better to know how exactly this whole history goes and how INC got to be involved in their timeline. So much brainwashing teachings. |
What do you Remember?
One of the Greatest gift that God has given us was the opportunity to receive salvation and exaltation. We never knew why He allows His son to sacrifice for the sake of that plan. It was the most remarkable, and the most important thing that happen in the entire history, and yet it was all forgotten. Christ has instructed us to remember him always. And in honor of his atoning sacrifice, we too must always remember him by partaking of the sacrament.
What do you Remember?
One of the Greatest gift that God has given us was the opportunity to receive salvation and exaltation. We never knew why He allows His son to sacrifice for the sake of that plan. It was the most remarkable, and the most important thing that happen in the entire history, and yet it was all forgotten. Christ has instructed us to remember him always. And in honor of his atoning sacrifice, we too must always remember him by partaking of the sacrament.
You will NEVER be a god?
Most Critics attacks LDS members with things how they could believe in things not at anytime be happen. And sometime scriptural base which lead to different meaning and understanding.
One simple question and most used was "Mormon claim to be a god", "Mormon believe they will become gods", or "Mormon teaches they will be gods", and so forth. But what exactly is that mean? Do LDS claims that they will become like the father who is omnipotent (having unlimited power and able to do anything), omniscience (Knows everything) and omnipresence (Everywhere at the same time) after they die? How will that be? And why are they teaching it? Is it blasphemy against God who proclaim there teachings as greater or Equal with God? How many God will there be after?
Psalm 82:
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
One simple question and most used was "Mormon claim to be a god", "Mormon believe they will become gods", or "Mormon teaches they will be gods", and so forth. But what exactly is that mean? Do LDS claims that they will become like the father who is omnipotent (having unlimited power and able to do anything), omniscience (Knows everything) and omnipresence (Everywhere at the same time) after they die? How will that be? And why are they teaching it? Is it blasphemy against God who proclaim there teachings as greater or Equal with God? How many God will there be after?
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| How will They react if they learn that they are indeed the god of Mischief? |
Psalm 82:
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
...
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
You will NEVER be a god?
Most Critics attacks LDS members with things how they could believe in things not at anytime be happen. And sometime scriptural base which lead to different meaning and understanding.
One simple question and most used was "Mormon claim to be a god", "Mormon believe they will become gods", or "Mormon teaches they will be gods", and so forth. But what exactly is that mean? Do LDS claims that they will become like the father who is omnipotent (having unlimited power and able to do anything), omniscience (Knows everything) and omnipresence (Everywhere at the same time) after they die? How will that be? And why are they teaching it? Is it blasphemy against God who proclaim there teachings as greater or Equal with God? How many God will there be after?
Psalm 82:
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
One simple question and most used was "Mormon claim to be a god", "Mormon believe they will become gods", or "Mormon teaches they will be gods", and so forth. But what exactly is that mean? Do LDS claims that they will become like the father who is omnipotent (having unlimited power and able to do anything), omniscience (Knows everything) and omnipresence (Everywhere at the same time) after they die? How will that be? And why are they teaching it? Is it blasphemy against God who proclaim there teachings as greater or Equal with God? How many God will there be after?
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| How will They react if they learn that they are indeed the god of Mischief? |
Psalm 82:
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
...
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
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