Jerry Nuñez Bustillo
As addressed to me, 😄!
Aba ang bautismo sa ulap sa mga Isaraelita ay hindi iyan tumutukoy na Bautismo sa alagad ni Nephi .
Okay, and what do you suggest? Baptism is baptism, no matter how you expound it, it's always that way. But let's consider your plea. What kind of baptism would be Job Bautista? If you think it's different then how does it go? And what does Paul simply mean?
Ano ba ang bautismo ng alagad ni Nephi sa pamamagitan daw sa pag lubog sa tubig ?.
Baptism is a Greek word "Baptismos" or to deep. The People of Book of Mormon times were directed to perform it aside from the Law of Moses and the Sabbath. Nephi got his revelation directly from God as what he saw in the Vision regarding the future Christ. Maybe you're misinformed, and since you read the Book of Mormon just follow this verse for your reference (see 1 Nephi 11)
For it came to pass after I had desired to know the things that my father had seen, and believing that the Lord was able to make them known unto me, as I sat pondering in mine heart I was caught away in the Spirit of the Lord, yea, into an exceedingly high mountain, which I never had before seen, and upon which I never had before set my foot.
2 And the Spirit said unto me: Behold, what desirest thou?
3 And I said: I desire to behold the things which my father saw.
4And the Spirit said unto me: Believest thou that thy father saw the tree of which he hath spoken?
5 And I said: Yea, thou knowest that I believe all the words of my father.
6 And when I had spoken these words, the Spirit cried with a loud voice, saying: Hosanna to the Lord, the most high God; for he is God over all the earth, yea, even above all. And blessed art thou, Nephi, because thou believest in the Son of the most high God; wherefore, thou shalt behold the things which thou hast desired.
7 And behold this thing shall be given unto thee for a sign, that after thou hast beheld the tree which bore the fruit which thy father tasted, thou shalt also behold a man descending out of heaven, and him shall ye witness; and after ye have witnessed him ye shall bear record that it is the Son of God.
8 And it came to pass that the Spirit said unto me: Look! And I looked and beheld a tree; and it was like unto the tree which my father had seen; and the beauty thereof was far beyond, yea, exceeding of all beauty; and the whiteness thereof did exceed the whiteness of the driven snow.
9 And it came to pass after I had seen the tree, I said unto the Spirit: I behold thou hast shown unto me the tree which is precious above all.10 And he said unto me: What desirest thou?11 And I said unto him: To know the interpretation thereof—for I spake unto him as a man speaketh; for I beheld that he was in the form of a man; yet nevertheless, I knew that it was the Spirit of the Lord; and he spake unto me as a man speaketh with another.12 And it came to pass that he said unto me: Look! And I looked as if to look upon him, and I saw him not; for he had gone from before my presence.13 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the great city of Jerusalem, and also other cities. And I beheld the city of Nazareth; and in the city of Nazareth I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly fair and white.14 And it came to pass that I saw the heavens open; and an angel came down and stood before me; and he said unto me: Nephi, what beholdest thou?15 And I said unto him: A virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins.16 And he said unto me: Knowest thou the condescension of God?17 And I said unto him: I know that he loveth his children; nevertheless, I do not know the meaning of all things.18 And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.19 And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!20 And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms.21 And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?22 And I answered him, saying: Yea, it is the love of God, which sheddeth itself abroad in the hearts of the children of men; wherefore, it is the most desirable above all things.23 And he spake unto me, saying: Yea, and the most joyous to the soul.24 And after he had said these words, he said unto me: Look! And I looked, and I beheld the Son of God going forth among the children of men; and I saw many fall down at his feet and worship him.25 And it came to pass that I beheld that the rod of iron, which my father had seen, was the word of God, which led to the fountain of living waters, or to the tree of life; which waters are a representation of the love of God; and I also beheld that the tree of life was a representation of the love of God.26And the angel said unto me again: Look and behold the condescension of God!27 And I looked and beheld the Redeemer of the world, of whom my father had spoken; and I also beheld the prophet who should prepare the way before him. And the Lamb of God went forth and was baptized of him; and after he was baptized, I beheld the heavens open, and the Holy Ghost come down out of heaven and abide upon him in the form of a dove.28 And I beheld that he went forth ministering unto the people, in power and great glory; and the multitudes were gathered together to hear him; and I beheld that they cast him out from among them.
This is so laughable claim of uninspired INC ministers. You're simply saying that directly to Paul. Remember it's not me who gave that example it was paul who attempt to give you an idea of baptism in ancient times. A bigot like you of course won't accept that kind of idea from Paul, simply because Paul is uninspired to INC ideology.
Kailan ba nagkaroon ng bautismo sa pamamagitan sa pag lubog sa tubig ? Ito ay sa panahon na ni Juan Bautista at sa panahon ng Cristiano.
Kailan ba nagkaroon ng bautismo sa pamamagitan sa pag lubog sa tubig ? Ito ay sa panahon na ni Juan Bautista at sa panahon ng Cristiano.
Yup, basically it was John the Baptist as the forerunner of this saving ordinance. And yes it was in the New Testament since he was born during those time. But does it certainly mean it wasn't revealed by prophets of Old? Isaiah saw Christ's days and even Abraham rejoice in Christ's days. Interestingly these people (INC) don't believe that way, since Jesus never existed before the prophets which means no such thing as Son of God until he was born. I don't know about that. Anyways, moving forward, let's try to see some examples (not mine 😁) to help us understand its origin.
Additional scripture here is a Mosaic Ritual found in Old Testament. Let's see if this is familiar -
3 Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen mitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
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23 And Aaron shall come into the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall put off the linen garments, which he put on when he went into the holy place, and shall leave them there:24 And he shall wash his flesh with water in the holy place, and put on his garments, and come forth, and offer his burnt offering, and the burnt offering of the people, and make an atonement for himself, and for the people.25 And the fat of the sin offering shall he burn upon the altar.26 And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp.27 And the bullock for the sin offering, and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place, shall one carry forth without the camp; and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and their dung.28 And he that burneth them shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward he shall come into the camp. - Leviticus 16
Somethings fishy Job Bautista. Was this ritual say something about baptism or maybe Just God commands it because those ancient people don't know how to take a bath and be clean? Or maybe water is expensive those days. 🤔! I don't know, what do you think Job Bautista? Here's another one below -
5 Or whosoever toucheth any creeping thing, whereby he may be made unclean, or a man of whom he may take uncleanness, whatsoever uncleanness he hath;6 The soul which hath touched any such shall be unclean until even, and shall not eat of the holy things, unless he wash his flesh with water.7 And when the sun is down, he shall be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things; because it is his food. - Leviticus 22
Now, what was that all about? God can do all things and if touches something unclean could God clean it as instant as it could? So what's with the ritual anyway?
Samantala ang Bautismo ng alagad ni Nephi ito ay sinagawa sa ilog diumano ng Mormon sa America na kung ating matatamdaan na 600BCay nasa America na sila at nagpapalaganap ng huwad na aral.
😳! 600BC is not too old to see Mosaic traditions. Also, how could the word "nagpapalaganap" would apply if they were the only people who live there (Ancient America) during those times? Do you know how the BC/AD works?
Anyway, the old testament had proven it's practice already that was taught by God during their time. Though John the Baptist introduce it in his days, the Old testament practices and rituals had leads us to it's origin. And so was the revelation received in the Book of Mormon people. The Baptism we're never practice while they were still at Jerusalem, but the revelation were followed after their arrival to the land promised by the Lord to them. And yet Job Bautista never understood that because of bigotry. Sorry to say that Job Bautista, you have so much to learn.
Samantala ang pagbabautismo sa mga Alagad ni Cristo ito ay nangyari sa Jordan at sa karatig bayan na taliwas naman ang kulto ay ito nagsasagawa din sa America?
Okay, so what's the issue again Job? Let us also consider some of the facts discovered by archaeologists that leads us to this Ordinance of Baptism.
On the other side of this topic. There is also a Physical Font used for a specific ritual found in Jewish tradition before Christ days and some other similar ritual were also perform. Take for Example the Mikvah or Mikveh (מִקְוֶה / מקווה). I would like you to read the information about this since I don't have much space Regarding this topic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikveh
Kay napakalayo sa katotohanan ang pinagmamalaki ng kulto ni Joseph na sila ang tunay na Cristiano , na kung saan 73 BC pa tinatawag silang Cristiano at ang Cristo hindi pa naipanganak kaya walang Cristiano pa noong 73BC.
This has been over and over. You never realized the timeline of the writer of the Book. Mormon was born after Christ ascension and it was even 300AD when he compile the writings. The usage of course are his words since he knows the teachings of their people. Too slow to analyze Job Bautista. Read my previous post about it https://truth-reflects.blogspot.com/2021/11/neil-andi-anderson-and-job-bautista_13.html?m=1
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