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According to the teaching of LDS the other sheep of Jesus were those in their promised land in ancient America. Jesus only has one group of other sheep. - by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata
And here we go again to a post that hasn't been an issue at all, and since this REBUKER needs education, I can handle a little time saving his tuition. LOL! Yes, it's totally free, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, and all you have to do now is simply read and understand it to the very core.
3 Nephi 15:21 - Book of Mormon21 And verily I say unto you, that ye are they of whom I said: Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Still, he stock into this subjects of Christ's visit to his other sheep in the Philippines, (JK). And I'm pretty sure he can't accept it because only Manalo and his cohorts has that authority to claim Christ's words. So yeah, he definitely loses his mind thinking this shouldn't be the case. And of course, I'm here to help you out, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata.
According to the teaching of LDS the other sheep of Jesus were those in their promised land in ancient America. Jesus only has one group of other sheep.
No, Jesus never said there was only one group of other sheep. You're just overreacting to it, Jose. Jesus ' words are just plainly "Other Sheep I have" and "THEM (plural) also I must bring." he never even meant this to just one place, so if youre concluding it as if it was just the Philippines religion that Christ mentioned, you're wrong. Christ never said any religion in that term; he simply meant other people who believe in him, and generally it could apply to either Gentiles or covenanted Israelites scattered to a Gentile nation, not a specific religion. Understand Jose?
John 10:16 - King James Version16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Yeah, this one, so you save my time copy-pasting it. Thank you.
All LDS if your brethren in ancient America the other sheep of Jesus mention in John 10:16 who are these other sheep of Jesus which were not in Jerusalem neither in your promised land ancient America?
Again, this has been answered in my previous article. I don't need to waste my time copy-pasting the same stand on this subject. You go ahead and try to explore your blog about it. Here's the link - https://bustillo-family.blogspot.com/2026/07/where-are-these-second-group-of-other.html
3 Nephi 16:1-31 And verily, verily, I say unto you that I have other sheep, which are not of this land, neither of the land of Jerusalem, neither in any parts of that land round about whither I have been to minister.2 For they of whom I speak are they who have not as yet heard my voice; neither have I at any time manifested myself unto them.3 But I have received a commandment of the Father that I shall go unto them, and that they shall hear my voice, and shall be numbered among my sheep, that there may be one fold and one shepherd; therefore I go to show myself unto them.
When did Jesus show himself to them and taught them if you are not the inventor of lie?
That has been included in the link, so go ahead and check it, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Too much of these senseless questions.
John 8:44 - Complete Jewish Bible44 You belong to your father, Satan, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. From the start he was a murderer, and he has never stood by the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he is speaking in character; because he is a liar — indeed, the inventor of the lie!
Nothing new about this, and again, this has been addressed already, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Check that out in this link - https://bustillo-family.blogspot.com/2026/07/ilang-grupo-ang-other-sheep-of-christ.html and try to use your head sometimes before copy-pasting stuff, Jose.
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Jose Rodelio Retome Rata's Core Mentality
Yung tipong naghahamon ka ng debate, pero kung patulan ka, umaataki naman ang
mental illness mo. Ano 'to, Jose? Naglalaro lang ba tayo ng patintero dito?
Kung ako lang sa'yo, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata aka REBUKER, huwag ka masyadong maangas kung wala ka namang maibubuga. Post mo nga, di ko na pinatulan at masyadong pambata. Naintindihan namin na may problema ka sa utak. Huwag mo namang ipahalata.
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Yung tipong Bigla kang nag-ingay dahil may nabasa kang Fake News at out of Context tapos Copy-Paste mo para mang Call out.
The result of the fanaticism of Jose Rodelio Retome Rata—his anger probably didn’t let him sleep anymore, so he just researched whatever he could and copy-pasted anything just to have something to throw back. The problem is, it’s all fake news. If you’re really a true defender of the INC, face me in a debate, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata—not all that useless noise that doesn’t mean anything.
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Yes, I could no longer access my Google account, and someone changed the entire detail. Then Google asked me a silly question.
I just go around in Circle. LOL!
I just go around in Circle. LOL!
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Yup, it's one of the well-known Marvel Comic Writers. It's not actually complicated, and yet it's something worth keeping.
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Paano si CRISTO ay Anak ng ETERNAL FATHER pero siya rin ang ETERNAL FATHER? - Jose Rodelio Retome Rata
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. - Isaiah 9:6
So here we are again in a failed eisegesis from our friend Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, thinking this can be answered. Now we'll check out if his claim -
Addressing a member of the Church, a missionary might answer his critics. We'll see how this works. Also, it might be good to find a missionary in your area and then tell them that we were having disputes about your failed eisegesis, or maybe you can get a picture of it so they may know about us. I'll challenge you on that, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata.
Marites Palos Salinas Di mo masagot dito tapos magpapadala ka pa ng misyunaryo ninyo bakit?
According to this book of Mormon the Lamb of God or Christ is the Son of the Eternal Father but according to this book also Christ is both the Father and the Son the very Eternal Father.
1 Nephi 11:2121 And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?
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Mosiah Chapter 15How Christ is both the Father and the Son—He will make intercession and bear the transgressions of His people—They and all the holy prophets are His seed—He brings to pass the Resurrection—Little children have eternal life. About 148 B.C.1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.
I underlined and highlighted the words for you to get the point, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, and it seems like you overlooked some important details.
Pakipaliwanag nga po kung paano si CRISTO ay Anak ng ETERNAL FATHER pero siya rin ang ETERNAL FATHER?
Just because Christ has both the Title of a Father, that doesn't mean he was the Father in Heaven. They were both Eternal, and Christ also has the title of the Father, still subject to the Father in Heaven.
I'll give you an example, we know Abraham was the Father of many Nations, does it mean Abraham was literally our Father? No, of course, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, that was his title to those who accept the Abrahamic Covenant. Adam also holds the title of the Father of All races, and yet we have other Fathers of different races. Christ also has the Title of the Father since he was subjected to the will of the Father, or as it says, conceived by the Power of God. This is simply called Divine Intervention
Baka kayang ipaliwanag ng hambog mong co-member na si Jerry Nuñez Bustillo di ba may priesthood authority siya?
Okay, so here's a further explanation, so it will be easy for you to understand.
In the Scriptures, aside from Isaiah 9:6, Christ clearly states: "I and my Father are one" (see John 10:30). Then, ask this: which part are they one? Are they one as a being, or are they one in purpose and authority? Since you already knew and understand that we don't believe, or should I say accept, the trinitarian view, then this will be easy for you to understand Christ's statement. Here's another one "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" John 14:9-10. Why would Jesus Christ try to emphasize that? Why would we take it literally when we knew Christ talked to a different being sometime in his ministry? And even God the Father introduces Christ soon after he came out from the waters of baptism with John the Baptist?
Another thing is that Christ was the Father of the Creation. There are a lot of scriptural verses in the scripture that tell us how the world was created through him. Which obviously means God's creation is meaningless without Christ. Here are some selected scriptures for you, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, and I will just select some of them. I know you can find more on it since you use your Bible for criticism every day. John 1:1-3, And here we clearly see Christ was with the Father from the Beginning and that he holds the same title and the same being as God. So it was God who created all things through Christ. Hebrews 1:2 Christ was "appointed heir of all things", now ask that question. Why would God do that? Then go ahead and continue reading, as it says, "by whom also he made the worlds". This doctrine alone is hard and deep in your INC studies since Christ was just a mere human to your understanding.
And lastly, since this article took a long time to write, and I actually hate long words, I guess I have to take this chance. Christ was the Father Because He Gave Us Eternal Life. Your doctrine of Christ was just a man doesn't even make sense, while the scripture plainly says God is the Saviour, and that part of Christ's divine authority, he has the power and has conquered death, so everyone who believes in him and do the will of the Father will be saved “The Son quickeneth whom he will” John 5:21.
Clear enough, and my explanation is done, and it seems like the bible has the same error if you call it an error, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? So, what's your rebuttal?
Doctrine and Covenants 87: LDS church members, was this prediction of your false prophet come to pass? - by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata
Doctrine and Covenants Section 87Revelation and prophecy on war, given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at or near Kirtland, Ohio, December 25, 1832. At this time disputes in the United States over slavery and South Carolina’s nullification of federal tariffs were prevalent. Joseph Smith’s history states that “appearances of troubles among the nations” were becoming “more visible” to the Prophet “than they had previously been since the Church began her journey out of the wilderness.”1–4, War is foretold between the Northern States and the Southern States; 5–8, Great calamities will fall upon all the inhabitants of the earth.1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;2 And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.3 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations.
LDS church members, was this prediction of your false prophet come to pass?
Fair question, and yet you copy and paste data that you don't even know the context of, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, and yes, kailangan din talaga natin ng kaunting digging sa history nito.
Ang prophecy ni Joseph Smith regarding sa Doctrine and Covenants 87 ay nabanggit na niya noong December 25, 1832. Pero hindi ito agad nangyari kinabukasan or within a year. And to tell you Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, dumaan muna ang halos 28 na taon bago nagsimula ang pangyayaring na itinuturing na katuparan nito - ang American Civil War.
April 12, 1861, ang Confederate States ang nagsimula ng unang skirmish, noong sila ay napaputuk laban sa puwersa ng Union. At yun pormal na nagsimula ang laban. In short, ang simula ng war ay hindi mula sa Union, kundi mula sa panig ng Confederacy at ’yan mismo ang point sa prophecy ni Joseph Smith.
Masmaganda balikan mo ang mismong sinabi sa D&C 87:1
Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina…
Malinaw na hindi ito instant fulfillment at hindi rin basta hula na kinabukasan ay nagkatotoo. May oras, may konteksto, at may aktuwal na pangyayaring tumugma sa sinabi. Clear ba Jose Rodelio Retome Rata
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Mormons aren’t Christian because their definition of Salvation includes nonbelievers.
Maybe, or maybe you misunderstood the meaning of Salvation. We don't believe God predistined others to be damned while others were saved just because they're evangelicals or protestants. We believe that God is a loving Father, and he wants everyone to come back to his presence someday. Although we have different beliefs or paths of faith, the Gospel is available to everyone who wasn't able to find it. So there will be no excemptions at the last days, the only thing that you and I should look at is to use our choices wisely. God save those who choose to keep his commandments, and everyone has a choice to accept or neglect them.
More of it, check out this scripture to help you out -
- Ezekiel 18:23 - Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
- 1 Timothy 2:3-4 - God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
- 2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord… is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
- Luke 15:11-24 (Parable of the Prodigal Son)
- Matthew 23:37 - How often would I have gathered thy children together… and ye would not!
- Romans 2:14–16 - God judges people according to the light and law they had.
- John 1:9 - That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
- Acts 17:26–27 - God placed people so they should seek the Lord… though he be not far from every one of us.
- Romans 14:12 - So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
- Revelation 20:12 - The dead were judged… according to their works.
- Luke 12:48 - For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required.
- Deuteronomy 30:19 - I have set before you life and death… therefore choose life.
- Joshua 24:15 - Choose you this day whom ye will serve.
- John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
- Hebrews 5:9 - He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.
- Mosiah 3:11 - His blood atoneth for the sins of those who have fallen by the transgression of Adam, who have died not knowing the will of God.
- 2 Nephi 26:24-28 - He inviteth them all to come unto him… and he denieth none that come unto him.
- Alma 42:27 - Therefore, according to justice, the plan of redemption could not be brought about, only on conditions of repentance.
- 2 Nephi 2:27 - Men are free… to choose liberty and eternal life… or to choose captivity and death.
- Mosiah 2:41 - Consider on the blessed and happy state of those that keep the commandments of God.
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FORMAL DEBATE "Sola Scriptura vs Open Canon" with Jose Rodelio Retome Rata and Jerry Bustillo
Posted on February 5, 2026, based on the agreement between parties.
Presenter: Jose Rodelio Retome Rata (INC) – Sola Scriptura
Opponent: Jerry N. Bustillo (LDS) – Open Canon
Date: March 10, 2026
Moderator: (To be Announced)
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PART 1: INC PRESENTATION (Presenter)
Speaker: Jose Rodelio Retome Rata (INC)
Topic: Sola Scriptura (By Scripture Alone)
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Speaker: Jose Rodelio Retome Rata (INC)
Topic: Sola Scriptura (By Scripture Alone)
Length Requirement:
Minimum: 400 wordsMaximum: 2,000 characters
Guidelines:
- Present the doctrinal position clearly.
- Stick strictly to the subject of Scriptural authority.
- No quotations from external authors or religious critics.
- No ad hominem, strawman, or diversionary arguments.
- No Scripture flooding. Don't quote the whole scriptural content, but rather the main points of the presentation.
Rebuker: Sige Jerry Nuñez Bustillo maglalatag ako ng presentasyon ko tapos ikaw naman dahil ako ang unang magtatanong diba na pumayag ka na may kasunduan tayo tama?Ito ang presentasyon ko iklian ko lang para ikaw naman ang maglalatag ng presentasyon mo at magtatanong agad ako.2 Timoteo 3:15-17Ang Dating Biblia (1905)15 At mula sa pagkasanggol ay iyong nalalaman ang mga banal na kasulatan na makapagpadunong sa iyo sa ikaliligtas sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya kay Cristo Jesus.16 Ang lahat ng mga kasulatan na kinasihan ng Dios ay mapapakinabangan din naman sa pagtuturo, sa pagsansala, sa pagsaway, sa ikatututo na nasa katuwiran:17 Upang ang tao ng Dios ay maging sakdal, tinuruang lubos sa lahat ng mga gawang mabuti.Ayon kay apostol Pablo ang banal na kasulatan o BIBLIYA ay nakapagpadunong sa tao sa ikaliligtas sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya kay Cristo.Ang BIBLIYA ay magagamit sa PAGTUTURO, sa PAGSANSALA, sa PAGSAWAY, sa ikatututo na nasa KATUWIRAN, upang ang TAO o lingkod ng DIOS ay maging SAKDAL, tinuruang lubos sa lahat ng mga gawang MABUTI.Ang KATUWIRAN ay ang EVANGELIO o MGA SALITA NG DIOS.Roma 1:16-17Ang Dating Biblia (1905)16 Sapagka't hindi ko ikinahihiya ang evangelio: sapagka't siyang kapangyarihan ng Dios sa ikaliligtas ng bawa't sumasampalataya; una'y sa Judio, at gayon din sa Griego.17 Sapagka't dito ang katuwiran ng Dios ay nahahayag mula sa pananampalataya hanggang sa pananampalataya: gaya ng nasusulat, Nguni't ang ganap ay mabubuhay sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya.Ang MABUTI ay ang mga salita ng Dios.Roma 7:12Ang Dating Biblia (1905)12 Kaya nga ang kautusan ay banal, at ang utos ay banal, at matuwid, at mabuti.SAMAKATUWID-KUMPLETO ANG BIBLIYA SAPAGKAT TINURUANG LUBOS SA LAHAT NG MGA GAWANG MABUTI O MGA KAUTUSAN NG DIOS ANG TUNAY NA LINGKOD NG DIOS.2 Timoteo 3:17Ang Dating Biblia (1905)17 Upang ang tao ng Dios ay maging sakdal, tinuruang lubos sa lahat ng mga gawang mabuti.NA KAPAG ININGATAN ANG MGA SALITA NG DIOS AY LIGTAS ANG TAO.1 Corinto 15:1-2Ang Dating Biblia (1905)15 Ngayo'y ipinatatalastas ko sa inyo, mga kapatid, ang evangelio na sa inyo'y aking ipinangaral, na inyo namang tinanggap, na siya naman ninyong pinananatilihan,2 Sa pamamagitan naman nito'y ligtas kayo kung matiyaga ninyong iingatan ang salitang ipinangaral ko sa inyo, maliban na kung kayo'y nagsipanampalataya nang walang kabuluhan.KAYA HINDI NA KAILANGAN NG IBA PANG AKLAT KUNDI ANG BIBLIYA LAMANG ANG KAILANGAN SA IKALILIGTAS NG TAO.AYAN NA ANG PRESENTASYON KO IKAW NAMAN PARA MAGTATANONG NA AKO!
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Cross-Examination by LDS (Opposition)
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PART 2: LDS PRESENTATION (Opposition)
Speaker: Jerry N. Bustillo (LDS)
Topic: Open Canon
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PART 3: REBUTTALS
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- No new doctrines introduced.
- Don't quote the whole scripture text, but rather the main points of the presentation. Scripture references are limited and explained briefly.
PART 4: CONCLUDING QUESTION (Analytical)
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PART 5: CLOSING STATEMENTS
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MODERATOR AUTHORITY & FINALE
The moderator may pause or end the discussion if the rules are violated.Decision based on biblical exegesis, not popularity.
Records are archived by both parties and the moderator.
Conclusion: Concede Defeat. Did not answer the Cross-Examination and diverted the issue, abandoning the debate and running around in different groups in a Red Herring and a Bandwagon.
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