So, what do we have here? Let's examine what his so-called true doctrine of INC will teach us. Let's dive in -
Ito ang isa sa testimonya o patotoo ni Cristo patungkol sa kanyang ibang mga tupa at sa isang pastor na mangunguna sa kanyang ibang mga tupa.
Juan 10:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
16 At mayroon akong ibang mga tupa, na hindi sa kulungang ito: sila'y kailangan din namang dalhin ko, at kanilang diringgin ang aking tinig; at sila'y magiging isang kawan, at magkakaroon ng isang pastor.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.
KLARO DIYAN NA ANG 'OTHER SHEEP NI CRISTO' AY WALA SA 'FLOCK' SA PANAHON NIYA AT SA PANAHON NG MGA APOSTOL.
ANG 'FLOCK' AY WALANG IBA KUNDI ANG 'CHURCH OF CHRIST O 'IGLESIA NI CRISTO.'
Acts 20:28 George M. Lamsa28 Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the FLOCK over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the CHURCH OF CHRIST which he has purchased with his blood.
ANG MGA SHEEP NI CRISTO AY BINUBUO NG 3 BAHAGI NG MGA TAO.ACTS 2:39.Acts 2:39 New King James Version39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
ANG TINUTUKOY NG 'TO YOU' AY BUONG ANGKAN NG ISRAEL O LAHING ISRAELITA.ACTS 2:36,39.Acts 2:36 New King James Version36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”Acts 2:39 New King James Version39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
ANG TINUTUKOY NAMAN NA 'TO YOUR CHILDREN' AY ANAK NG MGA JUDIO O MGA ISRAELITA SA PANGANGARAL NG EVANGELIO SA PAMAMAGITAN NI APOSTOL PABLO ANG LAHING HENTIL.1CORINTO 4:15.1 Corinthians 4:15 New King James Version15 For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
ANG DALAWANG LAHI NA YAN AY NATAWAG NA NOONG UNANG SIGLO.ROMA 9:24.Romans 9:24 Good News Translation24 For we are the people he called, not only from among the Jews but also from among the Gentiles.
KAPWA KABILANG SILA SA IISANG KATAWAN.EFESO 3:6.
Ephesians 3:6 Good News Translation
6 The secret is that by means of the gospel the Gentiles have a part with the Jews in God's blessings; they are members of the same body and share in the promise that God made through Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 3:6 Easy English Bible6 This is the message of God's good news: Gentiles, as well as Jews, may receive the good things that God has prepared for his children. We may all belong to the same group of God's people, like we are his body. Everyone who is united with Christ Jesus receives the good things that God has promised.
Again for heaven sakes Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, Christ did not said anything about other sheep to a specific nation, you simply assume that since the text show that they were "Co-Heirs" and "Members of one Body" so therefore they are the first group of people Christ mentioned on John 10:16 and you'll easily come up with the conclusion that the INC is indeed the other sheep, while it is not. That's a False Equivalence Fallacy, and for goodness sake, read and ponder the context of the scripture so you'll understand how and what it was all about. First of all, the Gospels preached during Christ's time were composed only of the Jewish nation, except for those of the gentile proselytes who adopted the Jewish Teachings. Christ never told or allowed them to preach the Gospel outside of the Jewish Family (Matthew 10:5-6), in which they focused their mission to the lost sheep. So when Christ declared that he had other sheep outside of the fold, he meant that there were people out there who may be of Jewish descent in a Gentile nation, or maybe a Gentile nation in general, but not the third group of people that doesn't sound Biblical. I do have the answer to this, but I would like to be fair in understanding the scripture on your level, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, so you'll understand that you belong in a religion that only uses and translates the scriptures on their own understanding without light and knowledge from heaven.
AYAN ANG LAHING JUDIO AT LAHING HENTIL AY KABILANG SILA SA PAREHONG GRUPO OR FLOCK.
Okay, so no need to worry as long as you don't insist that there were other nations aside from Jews and Gentiles using your eisegesis. So let's move on -
SAMAKATUWID-ANG FLOCK O CHURCH OF CHRIST NA TINUTUKOY NI JESUS SA PANAHON NIYA AT SA PANAHON NG MGA APOSTOL AY BINUBUO NG LAHING JUDIO AT LAHING HENTIL.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.
Now it seems Jose Rodelio Retome Rata a.k.a REBUKER seems like he wanted to share something from their teachings, and this will be a good start for a supposed good Christian like him (just assuming), preaching a doctrine of man. It's a good start, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Keep it up; perhaps you can help me understand the doctrine of Manalo and his Philippine church someday. LOL!
So, what do we have here? Let's examine what his so-called true doctrine of INC will teach us. Let's dive in -
Ito ang isa sa testimonya o patotoo ni Cristo patungkol sa kanyang ibang mga tupa at sa isang pastor na mangunguna sa kanyang ibang mga tupa.
Juan 10:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905)16 At mayroon akong ibang mga tupa, na hindi sa kulungang ito: sila'y kailangan din namang dalhin ko, at kanilang diringgin ang aking tinig; at sila'y magiging isang kawan, at magkakaroon ng isang pastor.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.
Yeah, I can see that clearly. Two different versions, it's a good start as I have said, but it seems unnecessary while pointing only to just one translation. So what's the point of the Tagalog translation if you're not actually using it? But anyway, here's the deal: John 10 was his address to his disciples about some other sheep out of the land of Jerusalem, and to be fair, this translation may vary since Christ is not directly addressing a specific group, race, or place that might help us to point out what he meant. So yes, it needs a deeper understanding. But here's the catch, since Christ did address it as outside of his region, then this supposes other sheep must be in the Gentile land, far from his Country. So I guess the INC or LDS version of this story will lead us to it. Let's find out more -
KLARO DIYAN NA ANG 'OTHER SHEEP NI CRISTO' AY WALA SA 'FLOCK' SA PANAHON NIYA AT SA PANAHON NG MGA APOSTOL.
No, it's not. You simply assume that whenever the words "future" were used, then it always meant that Christ was referring to a future generation of a certain group, rather than the existing group where he fulfils it on his visitation at a certain point. As I have said, Christ did not specifically mention a group of people or a place in a certain period of time. Christ means this group of people already existed, and in the future (or more accurately, someday) he will gather them. So again, this assumption is not a direct Biblical translation, but rather it's your personal ideology because of the INC doctrine that you think you can add to it. You need further evidence to prove your claim about it. And the question is, DO YOU HAVE?
ANG 'FLOCK' AY WALANG IBA KUNDI ANG 'CHURCH OF CHRIST O 'IGLESIA NI CRISTO.'
And here we go again. You cannot back it up with just supporting an irrelevant scripture. You are appealing to False Assumption or Apophenia. This fallacy fails because the prooftext is missing some relevant requirements. See, for example, the given scriptures John 10:16. Christ clearly states "I have" and "I must bring," or you use the Easy To Read version that says "I must lead". So when did it happen? When did Christ show you that he came to this group of people and declare that they were the ones he had spoken to during his ministry? Can you provide proof that Felix Manalo or some others on your INC denominations that confirms this promise? Let me guess how you answer it: "That now how you interpret the scriptures". Oh yeah, sure, so if this is not how it was supposed to be, then prove it. Can you?
Acts 20:28 George M. Lamsa28 Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the FLOCK over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the CHURCH OF CHRIST which he has purchased with his blood.
And this has always been the version that you love most. Just because of the word CHURCH OF CHRIST, then literally it was indeed the INC Philippines. Come on! Just when did George M. Lamsa translate the bible to Aramaic Peshitta told you that it was the Philippines INC? Was it the way you people translate the scripture? In Acts 20, Paul was talking about the Saints at Ephesians, especially the Elders (Acts 20:17-21), not the Philippines INC. This was specifically an epistle to them. Paul was aware that there were possibilities that he would be caught in prison because of his preaching (Acts 20:22-24). If you read the prior Chapter (Acts 19), you'll understand why the people of Ephesians were troubled and angry by Paul's words, and Paul left them and went to different places to continue his preaching. Paul was concerned and even warned them that there may be others who will soon lead them astray (Acts 20:25-31).
ANG MGA SHEEP NI CRISTO AY BINUBUO NG 3 BAHAGI NG MGA TAO.ACTS 2:39.
Acts 2:39 New King James Version
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
This is simply your own ideology. The scripture didn't say anything that such a third nation or group of people would exist aside from Jews and Gentiles. The Scripture you're using simply says about the Jews and their Generations which is extended to the nation of the Gentiles, not the other group outside of biblical terminology. Even in Paul's address about the Gospel will be known to the people of the Jews and the Gentiles will be grafted to it (see Romans 1:16, Galatians 3:28, Ephesians 2:14-16 also check out the Olive Tree Analogy at Romans 11), no such thing as 3rd part or group of people aside from them (Jews and Gentile) and it's such a weak argument.
ANG TINUTUKOY NG 'TO YOU' AY BUONG ANGKAN NG ISRAEL O LAHING ISRAELITA.ACTS 2:36,39.Acts 2:36 New King James Version
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”Acts 2:39 New King James Version
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Using Acts 2:36,39 tied it up with 1 Corinthians 4:15, that I don't see anything to discuss, but yeah sure, no one disagrees on that, and it's plain as it is, so what's your point?
ANG TINUTUKOY NAMAN NA 'TO YOUR CHILDREN' AY ANAK NG MGA JUDIO O MGA ISRAELITA SA PANGANGARAL NG EVANGELIO SA PAMAMAGITAN NI APOSTOL PABLO ANG LAHING HENTIL.1CORINTO 4:15.1 Corinthians 4:15 New King James Version
15 For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
This was just added for the sake of long text, thinking it would be more precise and authentic, but it's actually unnecessary.
ANG DALAWANG LAHI NA YAN AY NATAWAG NA NOONG UNANG SIGLO.ROMA 9:24.Romans 9:24 Good News Translation
24 For we are the people he called, not only from among the Jews but also from among the Gentiles.
The Jews were actually called first, then came Christ, who preached the Gospel to them. The Gospel then preach outside soon after Christ made his proclamation to Spread the Gospel to every nation (Matthew 28:19). The Gentile of near surrounding areas were then taught about it and yeah no question about the history that you don't know, but it's okay, as long as you keep doing your research you can keep it up until you realized how fanatic you are in the ideology that doesn't even fit on Biblical Standards. So let's go ahead and see some more of your stuff -
KAPWA KABILANG SILA SA IISANG KATAWAN.EFESO 3:6.
Ephesians 3:6 Good News Translation
6 The secret is that by means of the gospel the Gentiles have a part with the Jews in God's blessings; they are members of the same body and share in the promise that God made through Christ Jesus.
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Ephesians 3:6 Easy English Bible
6 This is the message of God's good news: Gentiles, as well as Jews, may receive the good things that God has prepared for his children. We may all belong to the same group of God's people, like we are his body. Everyone who is united with Christ Jesus receives the good things that God has promised.
Again for heaven sakes Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, Christ did not said anything about other sheep to a specific nation, you simply assume that since the text show that they were "Co-Heirs" and "Members of one Body" so therefore they are the first group of people Christ mentioned on John 10:16 and you'll easily come up with the conclusion that the INC is indeed the other sheep, while it is not. That's a False Equivalence Fallacy, and for goodness sake, read and ponder the context of the scripture so you'll understand how and what it was all about. First of all, the Gospels preached during Christ's time were composed only of the Jewish nation, except for those of the gentile proselytes who adopted the Jewish Teachings. Christ never told or allowed them to preach the Gospel outside of the Jewish Family (Matthew 10:5-6), in which they focused their mission to the lost sheep. So when Christ declared that he had other sheep outside of the fold, he meant that there were people out there who may be of Jewish descent in a Gentile nation, or maybe a Gentile nation in general, but not the third group of people that doesn't sound Biblical. I do have the answer to this, but I would like to be fair in understanding the scripture on your level, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, so you'll understand that you belong in a religion that only uses and translates the scriptures on their own understanding without light and knowledge from heaven.
Okay, so no need to worry as long as you don't insist that there were other nations aside from Jews and Gentiles using your eisegesis. So let's move on -AYAN ANG LAHING JUDIO AT LAHING HENTIL AY KABILANG SILA SA PAREHONG GRUPO OR FLOCK.
SAMAKATUWID-ANG FLOCK O CHURCH OF CHRIST NA TINUTUKOY NI JESUS SA PANAHON NIYA AT SA PANAHON NG MGA APOSTOL AY BINUBUO NG LAHING JUDIO AT LAHING HENTIL.
I already explained this one, so you can go back to where I made the statement. You are wrong, and Christ did not include the Gentile during his proclamation, but as I have said he could meant this as a Lost Tribe in a Gentile nation or a Gentile nation/people itself and even if I have a specific answer on this doctrine, I will remain neutral at this moment for you to understand that this is not how it meant.John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.
ANG IBANG MGA TUPA NI JESUS AYON DIYAN AY HINDI SA 'FLOCK O CHURCH OF CHRIST' NA NAROROON KUNDI SA FUTURE PA MAGIGING ISANG 'FLOCK O CHURCH OF CHRIST.'
And again, I already made my statement about this. Wrong! The sheep that Christ mentioned here were already a group of people in his present time, "I HAVE," and just because the word "future" was used, you simply assume that this group of people (which is the other sheep) will be established in the future, and where's your proof that Christ fulfils that promise in the Philippines? You haven't. So no, it is not the Future INC. Too much redundancy.
SAMAKATUWID-HINDI SA PANAHONG UNANG SIGLO ANG IBANG MGA TUPA NI JESUS.
SILA ANG IKATLONG BAHAGI NA BUMUBUO SA MGA TUPA NI JESUS NA LILITAW SA MALAYONG DAKO AT MALAYONG PANAHON AYON SA KAUGNAY NA HULA.ACTS 2:39.
Acts 2:39 RIEU TRANSLATION39 For it was to you that the gift was promised, to you and your children, and to all those in DISTANT TIMES AND PLACES whom the Lord our God shall call.
This is such a pain in your brain, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. You'd been duped, and at the same time you became fanatic to a teachings that don't even align with Biblical standards. I already made a statement on this one, and if you want to go back just go ahead and read my statement above. Acts 2:39 This is the promise of the Holy Spirit and forgiveness, as it says in verse 38, is for the Jewish audience, their children, and "all who are far off" (referring to future generations and Gentiles) whom God calls. Let me quote the scripture for you so you'll understand -
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” - Act 2:38-39 NIV
Now tell me, what was the subject all about and who was the audience? If you read from the start (Acts 2:14-41), you will come to realize this was only addressed to a specific group of people in a certain period of time, but the promise was extended to their generation and to the Gentile who does the same thing or whom God will call. So, let's wrap it up. Was it about the group of people in the Philippines? I don't think so. You simply don't know your scripture well, and you people were easily deceived because of that cherry-picking style of study. That doesn't work.
AYON SA KAUGNAY NA HULA ANG MALAYONG DAKO AY MALAYONG SILANGAN AT ANG MALAYONG PANAHON AY ANG PANAHONG TINATAWAG NA ENDS OF THE EARTH.
Isaiah 43:5-6 New King James Version5 Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, And gather you from the west;6 I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ And to the south, ‘Do not keep them back!’ Bring My sons from afar, And My daughters from the ends of the earth—
And here we go again, in another out-of-context study of your ideology. Did you read the verse before that? I will quote to you the entire context so you will again understand to whom this was and what it meant -
But now, this is what the Lord says— he who created you, Jacob, he who formed you, Israel: “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine.2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze.3 For I am the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I give Egypt for your ransom, Cush and Seba in your stead.4 Since you are precious and honored in my sight, and because I love you, I will give people in exchange for you, nations in exchange for your life.5 Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west.6 I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’ Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth —7 everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.”8 Lead out those who have eyes but are blind, who have ears but are deaf.9 All the nations gather together and the peoples assemble. Which of their gods foretold this and proclaimed to us the former things? Let them bring in their witnesses to prove they were right, so that others may hear and say, “It is true.”10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.11 I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior.12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed— I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.13 Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?” - Isaiah 43:1-13 NIV
AYAN 'EAST FROM AFAR' MAGMUMULA ANG MGA ANAK NG DIOS MEANING 'FAR EAST' SA PANAHONG 'ENDS OF THE EARTH.'
Sure, you can do whatever you want if that's what you think, then provide me with evidence that you, the people from a far country, which is the Philippines, were the People mentioned in Isaiah 43, and go ahead and provide an apocalyptic declaration from your Messenger that God calls him to gather these people in the Philippines. Do you have?
ANG BANSANG PILIPINAS AY NASA DAKONG MALAYONG SILANGAN O FAR EAST.
"The Philippines were Spain's share of the first colonizing movement in the Far East; the name means the 'islands of Philip' and refers to that grim ruler, King Philip II." WORLD HISTORY BY: BOAK, SLOSSON AND ANDERSON PAGE: 445
So, what's the relevance of this World History Book on the Scripture according to the Context? Does it mean that just because the Philippines was in the Far East, does it mean it automatically fulfil Biblical promise from the words of Isaiah? Seriously? That's how you understand that scripture? We don't argue that the Philippines was indeed on the East side, and there are many others aside from the Philippines; the only thing that I disagree was the interpretation of the biblical passage that doesn't even sound prophetic. You people should know your scripture well since it is the only book you use every time you gather, and yet you're too slow to know how the context works. This will be a challenge to you, and I would like to include myself in that. If you want to make a declaration of any biblical interpretations, you should back it up with a direct revelation that it was indeed fulfilled in your religion. Simply quoting it and taking it out of context is just too clumsy.
ANG PANAHON NAMAN NA 'ENDS OF THE EARTH' AY PANAHON NA MALAPIT NA ANG 'END OF THE EARTH O KATAPUSAN NG MUNDO.'
Matthew 24:3 King James Version3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
ANG PAGBABALIK NI JESUS AY SIYA RING KATAPUSAN NG MUNDO.
Oh yeah, sure, I get that, so what's the relevance to that on Isaiah's Prophecy to the Jews and a promise to restore them to their land? So why are we now jumping on a different topic?
ANG UNANG TANDA NA IBINIGAY NIYA NA MALAPIT NA ANG KANYANG PAGBABALIK NA SIYA RING KATAPUSAN NG MUNDO AY ANG 'FIRST WORLD WAR.
Matthew 24:6-8 New King James Version6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24:33 New King James Version33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!
Now it seems Jose Rodelio Retome Rata a.k.a REBUKER seems like he wanted to share something from their teachings, and this will be a good start for a supposed good Christian like him (just assuming), preaching a doctrine of man. It's a good start, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Keep it up; perhaps you can help me understand the doctrine of Manalo and his Philippine church someday. LOL!
So, what do we have here? Let's examine what his so-called true doctrine of INC will teach us. Let's dive in -
Ito ang isa sa testimonya o patotoo ni Cristo patungkol sa kanyang ibang mga tupa at sa isang pastor na mangunguna sa kanyang ibang mga tupa.
Juan 10:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905)16 At mayroon akong ibang mga tupa, na hindi sa kulungang ito: sila'y kailangan din namang dalhin ko, at kanilang diringgin ang aking tinig; at sila'y magiging isang kawan, at magkakaroon ng isang pastor.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.
Yeah, I can see that clearly. Two different versions, it's a good start as I have said, but it seems unnecessary while pointing only to just one translation. So what's the point of the Tagalog translation if you're not actually using it? But anyway, here's the deal: John 10 was his address to his disciples about some other sheep out of the land of Jerusalem, and to be fair, this translation may vary since Christ is not directly addressing a specific group, race, or place that might help us to point out what he meant. So yes, it needs a deeper understanding. But here's the catch, since Christ did address it as outside of his region, then this supposes other sheep must be in the Gentile land, far from his Country. So I guess the INC or LDS version of this story will lead us to it. Let's find out more -
KLARO DIYAN NA ANG 'OTHER SHEEP NI CRISTO' AY WALA SA 'FLOCK' SA PANAHON NIYA AT SA PANAHON NG MGA APOSTOL.
No, it's not. You simply assume that whenever the words "future" were used, then it always meant that Christ was referring to a future generation of a certain group, rather than the existing group where he fulfils it on his visitation at a certain point. As I have said, Christ did not specifically mention a group of people or a place in a certain period of time. Christ means this group of people already existed, and in the future (or more accurately, someday) he will gather them. So again, this assumption is not a direct Biblical translation, but rather it's your personal ideology because of the INC doctrine that you think you can add to it. You need further evidence to prove your claim about it. And the question is, DO YOU HAVE?
ANG 'FLOCK' AY WALANG IBA KUNDI ANG 'CHURCH OF CHRIST O 'IGLESIA NI CRISTO.'
And here we go again. You cannot back it up with just supporting an irrelevant scripture. You are appealing to False Assumption or Apophenia. This fallacy fails because the prooftext is missing some relevant requirements. See, for example, the given scriptures John 10:16. Christ clearly states "I have" and "I must bring," or you use the Easy To Read version that says "I must lead". So when did it happen? When did Christ show you that he came to this group of people and declare that they were the ones he had spoken to during his ministry? Can you provide proof that Felix Manalo or some others on your INC denominations that confirms this promise? Let me guess how you answer it: "That now how you interpret the scriptures". Oh yeah, sure, so if this is not how it was supposed to be, then prove it. Can you?
Acts 20:28 George M. Lamsa28 Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the FLOCK over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the CHURCH OF CHRIST which he has purchased with his blood.
And this has always been the version that you love most. Just because of the word CHURCH OF CHRIST, then literally it was indeed the INC Philippines. Come on! Just when did George M. Lamsa translate the bible to Aramaic Peshitta told you that it was the Philippines INC? Was it the way you people translate the scripture? In Acts 20, Paul was talking about the Saints at Ephesians, especially the Elders (Acts 20:17-21), not the Philippines INC. This was specifically an epistle to them. Paul was aware that there were possibilities that he would be caught in prison because of his preaching (Acts 20:22-24). If you read the prior Chapter (Acts 19), you'll understand why the people of Ephesians were troubled and angry by Paul's words, and Paul left them and went to different places to continue his preaching. Paul was concerned and even warned them that there may be others who will soon lead them astray (Acts 20:25-31).
ANG MGA SHEEP NI CRISTO AY BINUBUO NG 3 BAHAGI NG MGA TAO.ACTS 2:39.
Acts 2:39 New King James Version
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
This is simply your own ideology. The scripture didn't say anything that such a third nation or group of people would exist aside from Jews and Gentiles. The Scripture you're using simply says about the Jews and their Generations which is extended to the nation of the Gentiles, not the other group outside of biblical terminology. Even in Paul's address about the Gospel will be known to the people of the Jews and the Gentiles will be grafted to it (see Romans 1:16, Galatians 3:28, Ephesians 2:14-16 also check out the Olive Tree Analogy at Romans 11), no such thing as 3rd part or group of people aside from them (Jews and Gentile) and it's such a weak argument.
ANG TINUTUKOY NG 'TO YOU' AY BUONG ANGKAN NG ISRAEL O LAHING ISRAELITA.ACTS 2:36,39.Acts 2:36 New King James Version
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”Acts 2:39 New King James Version
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Using Acts 2:36,39 tied it up with 1 Corinthians 4:15, that I don't see anything to discuss, but yeah sure, no one disagrees on that, and it's plain as it is, so what's your point?
ANG TINUTUKOY NAMAN NA 'TO YOUR CHILDREN' AY ANAK NG MGA JUDIO O MGA ISRAELITA SA PANGANGARAL NG EVANGELIO SA PAMAMAGITAN NI APOSTOL PABLO ANG LAHING HENTIL.1CORINTO 4:15.1 Corinthians 4:15 New King James Version
15 For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
This was just added for the sake of long text, thinking it would be more precise and authentic, but it's actually unnecessary.
ANG DALAWANG LAHI NA YAN AY NATAWAG NA NOONG UNANG SIGLO.ROMA 9:24.Romans 9:24 Good News Translation
24 For we are the people he called, not only from among the Jews but also from among the Gentiles.
The Jews were actually called first, then came Christ, who preached the Gospel to them. The Gospel then preach outside soon after Christ made his proclamation to Spread the Gospel to every nation (Matthew 28:19). The Gentile of near surrounding areas were then taught about it and yeah no question about the history that you don't know, but it's okay, as long as you keep doing your research you can keep it up until you realized how fanatic you are in the ideology that doesn't even fit on Biblical Standards. So let's go ahead and see some more of your stuff -
KAPWA KABILANG SILA SA IISANG KATAWAN.EFESO 3:6.
Ephesians 3:6 Good News Translation
6 The secret is that by means of the gospel the Gentiles have a part with the Jews in God's blessings; they are members of the same body and share in the promise that God made through Christ Jesus.
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Ephesians 3:6 Easy English Bible
6 This is the message of God's good news: Gentiles, as well as Jews, may receive the good things that God has prepared for his children. We may all belong to the same group of God's people, like we are his body. Everyone who is united with Christ Jesus receives the good things that God has promised.
Again for heaven sakes Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, Christ did not said anything about other sheep to a specific nation, you simply assume that since the text show that they were "Co-Heirs" and "Members of one Body" so therefore they are the first group of people Christ mentioned on John 10:16 and you'll easily come up with the conclusion that the INC is indeed the other sheep, while it is not. That's a False Equivalence Fallacy, and for goodness sake, read and ponder the context of the scripture so you'll understand how and what it was all about. First of all, the Gospels preached during Christ's time were composed only of the Jewish nation, except for those of the gentile proselytes who adopted the Jewish Teachings. Christ never told or allowed them to preach the Gospel outside of the Jewish Family (Matthew 10:5-6), in which they focused their mission to the lost sheep. So when Christ declared that he had other sheep outside of the fold, he meant that there were people out there who may be of Jewish descent in a Gentile nation, or maybe a Gentile nation in general, but not the third group of people that doesn't sound Biblical. I do have the answer to this, but I would like to be fair in understanding the scripture on your level, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, so you'll understand that you belong in a religion that only uses and translates the scriptures on their own understanding without light and knowledge from heaven.
AYAN ANG LAHING JUDIO AT LAHING HENTIL AY KABILANG SILA SA PAREHONG GRUPO OR FLOCK.
Okay, so no need to worry as long as you don't insist that there were other nations aside from Jews and Gentiles using your eisegesis. So let's move on -
SAMAKATUWID-ANG FLOCK O CHURCH OF CHRIST NA TINUTUKOY NI JESUS SA PANAHON NIYA AT SA PANAHON NG MGA APOSTOL AY BINUBUO NG LAHING JUDIO AT LAHING HENTIL.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.
I already explained this one, so you can go back to where I made the statement. You are wrong, and Christ did not include the Gentile during his proclamation, but as I have said he could meant this as a Lost Tribe in a Gentile nation or a Gentile nation/people itself and even if I have a specific answer on this doctrine, I will remain neutral at this moment for you to understand that this is not how it meant.
ANG IBANG MGA TUPA NI JESUS AYON DIYAN AY HINDI SA 'FLOCK O CHURCH OF CHRIST' NA NAROROON KUNDI SA FUTURE PA MAGIGING ISANG 'FLOCK O CHURCH OF CHRIST.'
And again, I already made my statement about this. Wrong! The sheep that Christ mentioned here were already a group of people in his present time, "I HAVE," and just because the word "future" was used, you simply assume that this group of people (which is the other sheep) will be established in the future, and where's your proof that Christ fulfils that promise in the Philippines? You haven't. So no, it is not the Future INC. Too much redundancy.
SAMAKATUWID-HINDI SA PANAHONG UNANG SIGLO ANG IBANG MGA TUPA NI JESUS.
SILA ANG IKATLONG BAHAGI NA BUMUBUO SA MGA TUPA NI JESUS NA LILITAW SA MALAYONG DAKO AT MALAYONG PANAHON AYON SA KAUGNAY NA HULA.ACTS 2:39.
Acts 2:39 RIEU TRANSLATION
39 For it was to you that the gift was promised, to you and your children, and to all those in DISTANT TIMES AND PLACES whom the Lord our God shall call.
This is such a pain in your brain, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. You'd been duped, and at the same time you became fanatic to a teachings that don't even align with Biblical standards. I already made a statement on this one, and if you want to go back just go ahead and read my statement above. Acts 2:39 This is the promise of the Holy Spirit and forgiveness, as it says in verse 38, is for the Jewish audience, their children, and "all who are far off" (referring to future generations and Gentiles) whom God calls. Let me quote the scripture for you so you'll understand -
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” - Act 2:38-39 NIV
Now tell me, what was the subject all about and who was the audience? If you read from the start (Acts 2:14-41), you will come to realize this was only addressed to a specific group of people in a certain period of time, but the promise was extended to their generation and to the Gentile who does the same thing or whom God will call. So, let's wrap it up. Was it about the group of people in the Philippines? I don't think so. You simply don't know your scripture well, and you people were easily deceived because of that cherry-picking style of study. That doesn't work.
AYON SA KAUGNAY NA HULA ANG MALAYONG DAKO AY MALAYONG SILANGAN AT ANG MALAYONG PANAHON AY ANG PANAHONG TINATAWAG NA ENDS OF THE EARTH.
Isaiah 43:5-6 New King James Version
5 Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, And gather you from the west;6 I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ And to the south, ‘Do not keep them back!’ Bring My sons from afar, And My daughters from the ends of the earth—
And here we go again, in another out-of-context study of your ideology. Did you read the verse before that? I will quote to you the entire context so you will again understand to whom this was and what it meant -
But now, this is what the Lord says— he who created you, Jacob, he who formed you, Israel: “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine.
2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze.
3 For I am the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I give Egypt for your ransom, Cush and Seba in your stead.
4 Since you are precious and honored in my sight, and because I love you, I will give people in exchange for you, nations in exchange for your life.
5 Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west.
6 I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’ Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth —
7 everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.”
8 Lead out those who have eyes but are blind, who have ears but are deaf.
9 All the nations gather together and the peoples assemble. Which of their gods foretold this and proclaimed to us the former things? Let them bring in their witnesses to prove they were right, so that others may hear and say, “It is true.”
10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior.
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed— I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.
13 Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?” - Isaiah 43:1-13 NIV
So, let's go ahead, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. What was this all about? To whom was this addressed? Does it say that these people whom the Lord calls from the far east are a Gentile People? Or was it Jews in a Gentile Nation? So go ahead, take your time answering the simple questions.
AYAN 'EAST FROM AFAR' MAGMUMULA ANG MGA ANAK NG DIOS MEANING 'FAR EAST' SA PANAHONG 'ENDS OF THE EARTH.'
Sure, you can do whatever you want if that's what you think, then provide me with evidence that you, the people from a far country, which is the Philippines, were the People mentioned in Isaiah 43, and go ahead and provide an apocalyptic declaration from your Messenger that God calls him to gather these people in the Philippines. Do you have?
ANG BANSANG PILIPINAS AY NASA DAKONG MALAYONG SILANGAN O FAR EAST.
"The Philippines were Spain's share of the first colonizing movement in the Far East; the name means the 'islands of Philip' and refers to that grim ruler, King Philip II." WORLD HISTORY BY: BOAK, SLOSSON AND ANDERSON PAGE: 445
So, what's the relevance of this World History Book on the Scripture according to the Context? Does it mean that just because the Philippines was in the Far East, does it mean it automatically fulfil Biblical promise from the words of Isaiah? Seriously? That's how you understand that scripture? We don't argue that the Philippines was indeed on the East side, and there are many others aside from the Philippines; the only thing that I disagree was the interpretation of the biblical passage that doesn't even sound prophetic. You people should know your scripture well since it is the only book you use every time you gather, and yet you're too slow to know how the context works. This will be a challenge to you, and I would like to include myself in that. If you want to make a declaration of any biblical interpretations, you should back it up with a direct revelation that it was indeed fulfilled in your religion. Simply quoting it and taking it out of context is just too clumsy.
ANG PANAHON NAMAN NA 'ENDS OF THE EARTH' AY PANAHON NA MALAPIT NA ANG 'END OF THE EARTH O KATAPUSAN NG MUNDO.'
Matthew 24:3 King James Version
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
ANG PAGBABALIK NI JESUS AY SIYA RING KATAPUSAN NG MUNDO.
Oh yeah, sure, I get that, so what's the relevance to that on Isaiah's Prophecy to the Jews and a promise to restore them to their land? So why are we now jumping on a different topic?
ANG UNANG TANDA NA IBINIGAY NIYA NA MALAPIT NA ANG KANYANG PAGBABALIK NA SIYA RING KATAPUSAN NG MUNDO AY ANG 'FIRST WORLD WAR.
Matthew 24:6-8 New King James Version
6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24:33 New King James Version
33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!
I just couldn't picture what you are trying to say here, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, but to be fair, Christ made a statement of the Signs of the Time, and we don't have a problem with that. Everyone knows that even the other sects that also disagree on your ideology have the same term of the second coming. And as a Christian, preparation is always what matters. So what's the big deal in quoting it?
SAMAKATUWID-ANG PANAHONG 'ENDS OF THE EARTH' NA NANGANGAHULUGANG MALAPIT NA ANG 'END OF THE EARTH O KATAPUSAN NG MUNDO' AY MAGSISIMULA SA PAGSIKLAB NG FIRST WORLD WAR. ANG FIRST WORLD WAR AY SUMIKLAB NOONG JULY 27, 1914.
"The first great campaign on the southeastern battle grounds of the Great War began on July 27, 1914, when the Austrian troops undertook their first invasion of Serbia..." THE STORY OF THE GREAT WAR: HISTORY OF THE EUROPEAN WAR FROM OFFICIAL SOURCES,VOL.2 BY: FRANCIS J. REYNOLDS PAGE: 291
ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO AY NAIPAREHISTRO NI KA FELIX SA BANSANG PILIPINAS NOONG JULY 27, 1914. SUMASAMPALATAYA KAMING MGA INC NA ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO NA LUMITAW NOONG JULY 27, 1914 SA BANSANG PILIPINAS ANG IBANG MGA TUPA NI JESUS SA PANGUNGUNA NG ISANG PASTOR NA SI KA FELIX ANG KINATUPARAN.JUAN 10:16.
So, when registering the Name "Iglesia Ni Cristo" on a specific date, will it prove that this was the fulfilment of the Prophecy? Or you are referring me to some of your ideology of Time and days Equivalence on God's time. If you think about it, and for sure it was all about it, then you are wrong. God did not make a specific amount of time as to when the restoration occurs. Just because you register it on the date you love most, that doesn't say anything about the restoration year. You are trying to randomly pick a certain event of the scriptures and then make a good computation that this was the exact point of the emergence of your INC church. Nice Try! Go ahead and read the entire Prophetic words of Christ in Matthew 24; there are lots of different crises or events, and it didn't lead you to the restoration, but rather it was all about his coming. So if you're referencing the war as the starting point, then consider the rest of those events must be fulfilled, or should I say be revealed (if it's ongoing) by the messenger of INC. Did he have it? Again, quoting the scripture that's not even relevant to the prior issue seems like a mixed-up ideology. I simply call it Internal Inconsistency. You can't even prove the former setting, then here you are inserting a new setting that's not even in a case, which obviously shifts the burden. Just as I have said, it's too clumsy, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata.
Ang testimonya o patotoo ni Cristo ay siyang espiritu ng hula.
Pahayag 19:10 Ang Dating Biblia (1905)10 At ako'y nagpatirapa sa kaniyang paanan upang siya'y aking sambahin. At sinasabi niya sa akin, Ingatan mong huwag gawin iyan: ako'y kapuwa mo alipin at ng iyong mga kapatid na mayroong patotoo ni Jesus: sumamba ka sa Dios: sapagka't ang patotoo ni Jesus ay siyang espiritu ng hula.
So yeah, sure, I agree, and how do you know it was fulfilled? Do you have evidence that Felix Manalo and the INC were the fulfilment? Just when did God make a statement to Felix that he was, and he fulfilled the Prophecy through him? Or maybe, some scriptural context aside from that hocus-focus ideology? Do you have it?
Samakatuwid-tumanggap si ka Felix ng awtoridad na mangunguna sa ibang mga tupa ni Jesus sa pamamagitan ng hula o testimonya ni Cristo.
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