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Jose Rodelio Retome Rata - A Disgrace to Iglesia Ni Cristo

A post like this is so alarming to a general organization, and yet they allow someone to troll on social media using their religion's name. This is such a disgrace to the church, and someone should make a move to stop this kind of trolling. Jose Rodelio Retome Rata seems to have all the attention he needs, but I don't think INC is doing its part to help its church avoid such arrogance and an uncivilized or barbaric attitude. This must be stopped, or it will be a trademark of the INC religion.

From his comment in one of my Post

The Mentality of Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

Yung tipong ang ayos ng tanong mo, pero sinasagot ka ng may kulang sa pag-iisip.

Yung feeling nito, hindi masagot ang tanong niya na napaka-basic lang naman.
Pero ang concern dito, alam kaya ni Jose Rodelio Retome Rata ang pinagsasabi nito?

Kung ganyan lang kababaw ang standard mo, mag-ML ka na lang. Nakakahiya ka sa kapwa mong Iglesia Ni Cristo. Nadamay pa sila sa pangto-troll mo.

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But according to their prophet the only living and true God is the one that has a Beloved Son. - by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

And here we are again in one of Jose Rodelio Retome Rata's Personalized Senseless Criticisms. Let's just go ahead and see what we can get -

2 Nephi 31:21
21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.

Dahil sa copy-paste ideology mo, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, it simply shows you're ignorant (that you're not even aware dahil di mo binasa ng mabuti), that God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (plural) are "one God." In that very same verse, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, Nephi names three distinct personages who were - "the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." If they were literally one person, Jose, there would be no reason to distinguish or name them by separate titles. See for Example, Jose in these verses -

John 17:21-23
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Christ is talking to the Father about his disciples; was this meant to mean that they are literally one person, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? Or maybe you interpret it that way since you only love cherry-picking ideology. Of course not, right Jose? Pero siyempre limited lang ang laman ng utak mo. Ano pa ba?

Alma 11:44
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

Also in Alma 11:44 speaks of "Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit"; and even in this scripture alone, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, could clearly declare they (plural) are "one Eternal God." Again, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, THREE are identified before their perfect unity is affirmed. And again, this simply goes back to the same Christ's own teaching that His disciples should be "one" just as He and the Father are one (John 17:21-23). The disciples did not just become mutated creatures into a one-species of hybrid superhuman, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata; keep that in mind. They became perfectly united, not becoming one in flesh literally. This also applies the same principles to the Godhead. So stop comparing LDS to any Trinitarian, cause we don't believe in the Trinity. Nako naman!

3 Nephi 11:36
36 And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one.

And again, (dinagdagan mo pa talaga pero di mo naman binasa ang buong chapter) the same verse that says everything about their purpose and unity, 3 Nephi 11:36, also says, "the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." And yet, only a few verses backward, before your copy-pasted text, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, that Jesus had repeatedly distinguished Himself from His Father; which he said about the Father had sent Him and bears witness of Him (3 Nephi 11:27, 32, 35). And take note, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata: The one who sends (which is the Father) is not the same person as the one who was sent (The Son). Nalito ka ba, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata?

According to these teachings of the Church of JS OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one God.
But according to their prophet the only living and true God is the one that has a Beloved Son.

So how are you gonna address Christ as your Saviour and Redeemer, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, and at the same time you, as Iglesia Ni Cristo member, also worship Christ but not God? That's Absurd, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? So, you worship a Human? Do you still call him a man, and do you worship a man because God told you so? Come on, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata.

Doctrine and Covenants 20:17-21
17 By these things we know that there is a God in heaven, who is infinite and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting the same unchangeable God, the framer of heaven and earth, and all things which are in them;
18 And that he created man, male and female, after his own image and in his own likeness, created he them;
19 And gave unto them commandments that they should love and serve him, the only living and true God, and that he should be the only being whom they should worship.
20 But by the transgression of these holy laws man became sensual and devilish, and became fallen man.
21 Wherefore, the Almighty God gave his Only Begotten Son, as it is written in those scriptures which have been given of him.

Doctrine and Covenants 20:17-21 obviously confirms the same distinction as the prior verses na pinaglatad mo, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, rather than denying it, Jose. Verse 19 identifies the Father as "the only living and true God," and verse 21 which says that this Almighty God "gave his Only Begotten Son." A Father who gives His Son cannot or will never be the same person as the Son He gives. The passage, Jose, clearly distinguishes the Father from His Beloved Son while affirming that the Father alone is the only God that should be worshiped.

Latter-day Saints reject both classical Trinitarian metaphysics and INC Unitarianism; the only difference between our belief and your belief, Jose. So don't push yourself. Sa Tagalog pa, Jose, ’wag mong ipilit ’yang gusto mo kung ’di mo naman pala alam ang doktrina n’yo. God as the Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ as the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct divine persons who are perfectly one in purpose, glory, authority, and work, forming the one Godhead. And Scripture, Jose preserves both truths of their distinction as persons and their complete unity as God.

The Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants did not contradict the teachings of the Bible according to its interpretation; iwan ko nalang sayo, Jose, kung ano-ano na lang pinagpupulot mo pero di mo naman pala naintindihan. They are consistently teaching that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one God in perfect divine unity, while also affirming that God the Father is the Father of the Son and that the Son was sent by and glorifies the Father. Your Unitarian view, like you, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, overlooks these repeated personal distinctions throughout the same passages.

The members of the Church of JS of the Latter-Day Saints had been fooled by their false prophet.

And again, you had been challenged on the same position of your claim. Can you prove to me that Iglesia Ni Cristo Sugo called Felix Manalo was not the False prophet of your Iglesia ng Cristong Tao? Go ahead, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Give it your best.

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But they teaches that the dead has a second chance? - by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

From his own Post without knowing the doctrine.

Okay, so what do we got here, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? Im guessing this is just another hallucinated ideology of Iglesia Ni Cristo that was taught by your minister, or maybe your own personalized heretic teaching of Iglesia Ni Tao? Let's go ahead and check out your claim -

Alma 11:44
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

I don't see anything suspicious in the scripture, Jose? So what was it that you're up to this time, Jose? Seems like normal teachings of after life, and yet youre quoting it as if there is something need to be discussed? So tell us what it was, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata?

According to this teaching of the Church of JS of the Latter-Day Saints the dead will be raised to life and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit to be judged according to their works, whether good or evil. But they teaches that the dead has a second chance.

And there you have it. LOL! Oh, do you think so, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? So where's the source of your claim? So where is your proof, if you have any, of your claim? Seriously, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? Does your tiny brain fit the ideology that you carry along with you, Jose? So what im thinking, Jose, you seem to just distort the doctrine, thinking your lies could get a good rating from your audience, since you have a Historianic Personality Disorder.

So what was this all about? What exactly does your so-called second change have to do with LDS doctrine? Well, let's go ahead and educate your tiny brain about it.

Officially, Latter-day Saints do not teach that the spirit world is a guaranteed "second chance" for repentance (Luke 16:19-31). Rather, they teach that the gospel is preached to the dead and that individuals are judged according to the opportunities they had in mortality. What the LDS actually teaches -

The Church teaches that:

The gospel is preached to the dead (1 Peter 4:6; 1 Peter 3:18–20).
Missionary work continues in the spirit world (Doctrine and Covenants 138).
The dead may accept or reject the gospel and ordinances performed on their behalf (Doctrine and Covenants 138:31–34, 58–59).

Can spirits repent?
As I have said, quoting Luke 16:19-31 about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, repentance is possible in the spirit world for many people, but it doesn't say they have a second chance; it won't guarantee that it will save them either based on the gravity of sins that they had committed during their mortal life. Which means Jose, and for your additional knowledge for your brain slot. Only God will determine their salvation at judgment with the help of vicarious ordinances for them. See the difference in your statement, Jose? Check out this scriptural verse for your reference Jose Rodelio Retome Rata -

Doctrine and Covenants 138:58 The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God.

So, and again, is it a "second chance"? Maybe if you're looking at it with your triangular brain, but LDS have generally avoided describing this as a universal "second chance" cause it needs something to be done on earth life.

This is actually what the LDS taught about Repentance and the afterlife, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, so grab your notes, Jose; this might help you understand, and maybe you can use it sometimes when you do another senseless criticism of you hericatcal Iglesia Ni Cristo views, Alma 34:32-35

   32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
   33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
   34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
   35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

See what it is, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? There is no second chance, as you had said. This is the only life that we need to perform every good thing the Lord wants us to do. And you simply avoided that part with your lie. The only second chance that you are talking about, Jose, is those people who need to hear the gospel on the other side of the veil, and that is a different subject. But even if we include that subject here, still God has to make the decision during judgment and no one else. So, stop pretending you know everything with a LIE, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, cause you don't know anything about God.

Job 27:8 International Children’s Bible
8 What hope does a wicked person have when he dies? He has no hope when God takes his life away.

These members of the Church of JS of the Latter-Day Saints had been fooled by their false prophet indeed!

Again, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Your Children's Bible simply exaggerates the cherry-picked ideology of your Iglesia Ni Cristo's teaching. You simply misunderstood the statement, and you simply brought a LIE to everyone in the group while posting this. So stop lying, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, for INC's sake.

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Prayer by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

Jose Rodelio Retome Rata tries to insist on his own misrepresentation about one of the specific teachings of the church, which he misunderstood so badly. His bigotry seems to have caused his mental illness. LOL!

Anyway lets try to see how whats his underdtand about these teachings and find out how his brain works. Let's dive in -

The teaching of LDS church they only prayed to the Father and no one else.

The Problem on that Jose Rodelio Retome Rata is that you assume that it is just that way without going through the rest of the Text. You simply cherry-pick parts and create your own idea, thinking this is all about it, but it is not. Check out the context first before making a claim.

Prayer
We are all children of God. He loves us and knows our needs, and He wants us to communicate with Him through prayer. We should pray to Him and no one else. The Lord Jesus Christ commanded, “Ye must always pray unto the Father in my name.” As we make a habit of approaching God in prayer, we will come to know Him and draw ever nearer to Him. Our desires will become more like His. We will be able to secure for ourselves and for others blessings that He is ready to give if we will but ask in faith.

You just copy pasted parts from here without understanding the whole article - https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/prayer?lang=eng

See where you missed the part? We pray only to the Father. So we address our prayer always to the Father and no one else in the name of Christ or through Christ. Let me repeat that "Throught Christ". That's why we always end our prayer with the phrase "In the Name of Jesus Christ". And this seems to be the biggest lie of your research, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Were you, Iglesia Ni Cristo, taught to do every lie and spread it like a pro, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata?

The teaching of the Bible you should also prayed to Jesus.
Hebrews 4:14-16 King James Version
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Nowhere in your quoted scripture says it, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. See how you failed to understand the scripture, Jose? You just simply assume this doctrine or teaching about praying to the Father in Christ's name is wrong while you can't even provide a scriptural verse to prove it. That is biblical, and you are trying to contradict biblical teaching. Come on, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Stop being such a jerk!

Even their book teaches that they prayed to Jesus as their Lord and God.
3 Nephi 19:18
18 And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.

Yeah sure cause this is where Christ visited them and taught them the gospel or the higher law during his visit to his "Other Sheep". Ops! I might ruin your "other Sheep teachings of the Philippine Religion". And speaking of you calling it "Their Book", check out this verse below that might help you heal your mental illness. I guess this was also part of the copy-pasted material that you misunderstood and misrepresented with a bad argument -

3 Nephi 18:19 Therefore ye must always pray unto the Father in my name;

So what else do you got there, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata?

This church of JS OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS were fooled by their false prophet.

Seriously, Jose? While reading your senseless argument, you came to a conclusion that doesn't even connect to the issue? How about I throw it back that you Iglesia Ni Cristo people were fooled by your false ministers and false Sugo of the Far East that Create his own religion with his bigotry, and here you are acting as his minion. What a shame, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata?

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Formal Written Debate with Jose Rodelio Retome Rata VS Jerry Bustillo

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. - John 17:1-3

Outline

Debate Topic: The Father is the One True God

Scheduled on: August 3, 2026

Debaters and Positions:

Jose Rodelio Retome Rata - INC position on the subject
Jerry Bustillo - LDS position on the subject

Moderator:

Lab Mae

Debate Structure

Part I - Presentation

Opening Statement (INC)
Opening Statement (LDS)

Part II - Cross-Examination / Q&A

Up to ten (10) questions from the LDS
Up to ten (10) questions from the INC

Part III – Analysis and Commentary

INC Commentary Response and analysis on the LDS presentation
LDS Commentary Response and analysis on the INC presentation

Part IV – Closing Statements

Closing Statement (INC)
Closing Statement (LDS)

Part V – Moderator’s Conclusion

Summary of the major points discussed
Identification of questions that were answered or remained unresolved
Conclusion based on agreed criteria.

Debate Rules and Guidelines

Each presentation must contain at least 400 words (or 2,000 characters) or fewer, without excessive quotations, external criticisms, or copied materials.
No ad hominem attacks. Name-calling, insults, or provocations are not allowed.
Stay on topic. Strawman arguments are prohibited. No red herring (no diversion, misdirection, or irrelevant points).
In the question-and-answer portion only, each side may cite one or two Scripture passages, with explanation. Scripture flooding or quoting the whole scriptural verse without citing personal interpretation is not allowed. Suggested length: 250–300 words (or 1,000 characters or fewer).
If more space is needed, request moderator approval in advance.
Closed or polar questions are allowed, provided they include a brief supporting statement when necessary.
Quoting or appealing to external speakers, authors, or doctrinal authorities is not permitted.
All questions must be based directly on the opponent’s presentation and/or must not change the subject.
Use a single comment thread or nested reply, posted only after the moderator’s cue.
Responses should be given within 24 hours, subject to each party’s availability.
Audience members may comment but must not intervene or debate the subject. Deleting comments is prohibited.
Editing one’s own statement is allowed only with moderator approval.

Moderator Authority:

If the discussion becomes excessively heated or unproductive, the moderator may pause or end the debate, declare a position based on clear assertions, or require a revised format.
Final Decision: The moderator will render a conclusion based on careful biblical exegesis from both sides. The finalized debate may be archived by either party.
Copies of the full discussion will be retained in the moderator’s records.

Baka feeling mo aatrasan kita, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

This may be direct and harsh na binitawan ko na mga salita kay Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, aka REBUKERKER. Ayaw ko sanang ibaba ang standards sa mga ganitong klase ng pag-iisip na puro lang kabulastugan ang alam. Pero nako naman, wagka nga feelingero Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Kung tinuruan kayo ng ministro ninyo na magiging V0V0, huwag kayong mandamay. May rules and format ang debate; hindi ito basta-basta lang na gawin ng utak elementarya. Kung di mo naman pala kayang makipagdebate, huwag mo nang ipilit. Gusto mo pa isingit yang style na pang-abnoy. Nako naman!

Baka feeling mo aatrasan kita, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, kahit gusto mo sa arena n'yo pa tayo mag-boxing, sabihin mo lang.