Job Bautista: Christ the Creator

Job Bautista simply assume this is a false doctrine of LDS he never realized almost all Christian denominations understand the words written in the scriptures about Christ as the creator. For instance, here are some of the links I collected for reference -

• Christ the Creator - www.westmont.edu.
• https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-the-Creator.html
• https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/reviews/christ-creator/
• https://answersingenesis.org/jesus/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-the-creator-god/
• https://www.theologyofwork.org/new-testament/hebrews/christ-created-sustains-the-world-hebrews-11-28

And there are lots of compile writings, not even an official LDS doctrine, and yet believe Christ was the Creator of all things.

Only the INC who has a poor exegesis never understood the writings of the scriptures because of their uninspired ministers who told them what to study and use to avoid the truth. Here's the example below of Job Bautista's poor understand and let's help him learn the truth about it.

See this video to understand our belief in Christ - https://youtu.be/TapRlpkp4-0

_____________________

Mormon false doctrine .

Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth.

              VERSUS

NKJV Bible. Isaiah 40:28

[28]Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the Lord, The Creator of the ends of the earth, Neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable.

_____________________

First things first. Christ created the heavens and the Earth. Let try to understand how the scriptures say -

The Holy One is the Creator

Isaiah 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Isaiah 41:20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the Lord hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.

The scripture clearly says it, the Holy One hath created. And who's the Holy One of God? Let's take a closer look at different scriptures -

Luke 4:24; Mark 1:24

Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

On our first attempt, we hath understand that the scripture knows Christ as the Holy One, and the Holy One was no other than the creator of Heaven and Earth and everything therein.

The Word was God

These self-explanatory scriptures are so plain in the understanding. Let's take a look and learn how Christ as the Word was the Creator. In these few scriptures, we will understand that Christ is a different or separate being aside from the Father and that the Father hath given all things under his Son. See below - 

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
...
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The Redeemer was the Creator

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

The scripture also helps us understand that Christ is also the Redeemer. See scripture below -

Galatians 4

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Titus 2:
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

These verses above help us understand Christ's role as the Redeemer and there is only one Redeemer who also created all things was no other than God.

See also Colossians 1:13-17

The Son of God, the Creator

Colossians 1

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Hebrew 1

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

1 Corinthians 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Other things lead us directly as to who Christ was before the foundation of the world or who was he before Abraham or before he was born. And yet this INC never realizes the importance of Christ's existence because they only believe that Christ appeared only after he was born of Mary and that he was a mere human. These important mysteries were not revealed to INC because they don't have authority from heaven and no revelation receive from their ministers and even their Sugo or Angel Called Felix Y. Manalo. These people are not well oriented to the truth but what their ministers feed them they just simply take it as doctrine not knowing the context of the scriptures. They are so ignorant to the truth and Arrogant in every discussion because of Bigotry.

Job Bautista: Christ the Creator

Job Bautista simply assume this is a false doctrine of LDS he never realized almost all Christian denominations understand the words written in the scriptures about Christ as the creator. For instance, here are some of the links I collected for reference -

• Christ the Creator - www.westmont.edu.
• https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-the-Creator.html
• https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/reviews/christ-creator/
• https://answersingenesis.org/jesus/jesus-is-god/is-jesus-the-creator-god/
• https://www.theologyofwork.org/new-testament/hebrews/christ-created-sustains-the-world-hebrews-11-28

And there are lots of compile writings, not even an official LDS doctrine, and yet believe Christ was the Creator of all things.

Only the INC who has a poor exegesis never understood the writings of the scriptures because of their uninspired ministers who told them what to study and use to avoid the truth. Here's the example below of Job Bautista's poor understand and let's help him learn the truth about it.

See this video to understand our belief in Christ - https://youtu.be/TapRlpkp4-0

_____________________

Mormon false doctrine .

Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth.

              VERSUS

NKJV Bible. Isaiah 40:28

[28]Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the Lord, The Creator of the ends of the earth, Neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable.

_____________________

First things first. Christ created the heavens and the Earth. Let try to understand how the scriptures say -

The Holy One is the Creator

Isaiah 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Isaiah 41:20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the Lord hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.

The scripture clearly says it, the Holy One hath created. And who's the Holy One of God? Let's take a closer look at different scriptures -

Luke 4:24; Mark 1:24

Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

On our first attempt, we hath understand that the scripture knows Christ as the Holy One, and the Holy One was no other than the creator of Heaven and Earth and everything therein.

The Word was God

These self-explanatory scriptures are so plain in the understanding. Let's take a look and learn how Christ as the Word was the Creator. In these few scriptures, we will understand that Christ is a different or separate being aside from the Father and that the Father hath given all things under his Son. See below - 

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
...
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The Redeemer was the Creator

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

The scripture also helps us understand that Christ is also the Redeemer. See scripture below -

Galatians 4

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Titus 2:
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

These verses above help us understand Christ's role as the Redeemer and there is only one Redeemer who also created all things was no other than God.

See also Colossians 1:13-17

The Son of God, the Creator

Colossians 1

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Hebrew 1

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

1 Corinthians 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Other things lead us directly as to who Christ was before the foundation of the world or who was he before Abraham or before he was born. And yet this INC never realizes the importance of Christ's existence because they only believe that Christ appeared only after he was born of Mary and that he was a mere human. These important mysteries were not revealed to INC because they don't have authority from heaven and no revelation receive from their ministers and even their Sugo or Angel Called Felix Y. Manalo. These people are not well oriented to the truth but what their ministers feed them they just simply take it as doctrine not knowing the context of the scriptures. They are so ignorant to the truth and Arrogant in every discussion because of Bigotry.

Job Bautista: Stupid Study of Church Name Game

Jerry Nuñez Bustillo

Ayon kay Mr. Little bit Harder , gumamit siya ng mga pangalan ng Local ng INC sa unang siglo upang palabasin na marsmi diumano ang Iglesia na itinayo ni Panginoong Jesus at tinatawag sa ibsng pangalan ? 

Wrong: it was never at the time of Christ it was rather a time after Christ Ascension. Job Bautista's studies were too poor to comprehend the Scriptures. He just simply loves twisting the truth and turns them into their very own man ade doctrine. Here let me show you some of his Fail Study.

Kung ating susuriin ang Mateo 16:18 ay binanggit doon na itatayo ko ang AKING IGLESIA . Singular lamang ang pagkabanggit  at hindi binubuo ng maraming Iglesia . Christ build his church yes you got that right and it is just one church but not INC 1914. It was no other than the Church of Jesus Christ or the Church of God.

kaya sablay itong si Mr. Little bit Harder sa kanyang unawa. Are you sure, or maybe you still brought your bigoted study with you? Not new to me. 

Ang Iglesia na ito ay nag simula sa munting KAWAN  ayon sa Lukad 12:32. And seems like it has nothing to do with your Church Name Game. Sorry, it is never an INC and would never be in Philippines. Na ang tinutukoy na KAWAN ay ang Iglesia ni Cristo ayon sa Gawa 20:28 lamsa . And there goes the Bigotry. You seems to use Lamsa version as to cover up the Greek standard Koine version. Why was that? Because you can't accept Christ is God, because of Bigotry. Still thirsty for more? Anyway, let try to see Greek standard translation and we will use Nestle Arland and UBS to clarify each words. 

NA28 - 

ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ20:28 προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.

UBS GNT5 -

Acts 20:28προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.

So how it was written? (ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ) Clearly it was the Church of God. The only thing Job Bautista maintain his Lamsa version because of his Bigotry, he cannot simply use a Greek Septuagint or the original Greek version because it contradict their very own man made doctrine of INC

Dahil sa pinagusig itong KAWAN ni PJC ay nangalat ito at nakarating sa iba't ibang dako na binabanggit ni Jerry ( Mr.Little bit Harder ) subalit ito po ay isang Katawan lamang ni Cristo at may isang ulo. The church only got one Head and that was Christ no question about it. I don't know what are you up to, but this seems like you thinks I'm to poor to understand the scriptures. Too bad sir, I'm not like you. You better have your bible with you and understand it rather pick up only which was right in your own man made doctrine. Colosas 1:18 kaya sa mata ng Diyos ito anv bagong tao na nilalang niya sa pamamagitan ni Panginoong Jesus. Walang binabanggit na Maraming Katawan ? Still you have made a wrong assumptions enough of your Personalized doctrine. I'm used to it. Ang katawan na binabanggit ay bagama' iisa ito ay may maraming sangkap na napaloob lamang sa isang Katawan o Iglesia 1 Cor. 12:27. So I guess you don't understand the first article address to you. You should make a good answer than that. Your intention simply to divert it to a different insight which indeed make you cunning and unworthy in accepting the truth. Good try but not good enough.

Dahil sa ngalat ang Kawan ni Cristo nakarsting ito sadako ng mga Hentil. Roma 16:4 . ito ay tinawag na Iglesia ni Cristo ayon sa mga Roma 16:16. And there you use the Word Church of Christ using Roman 16:16 but in fact it was used as a plural term as to a Churches that was build by Christ through the spreading of the Gospel. He is trying to trick a word shift game to maintain their teachings. How stupid was that. Too much Bigotry. 

May hula si Panginoong Jesus na itong Iglesia ni ya ay ililigaw ng bulaang propheta 1 Tim. 4:1,3 , ito anv paglitaw naman ni Joseph smith ayon sa Mateo 24:4 , Marami ang kanilang ililigaw Mat. 24:11 . Wrong: your creating a fallacy of Hasty Generalization by just claiming something you can't support. Get a life bro. You people are so devilish, this is not a Christian teaching that of claiming something it is because of some claims. Christ clearly said to beware of false prophets... and by their fruits ye shall know them... This Job Bautista failed to understand the the Scripture that he even failed to realized that his So called Sugo doesn't have any fruit to tell his story and how he was called by God and how did he receive the authority. This Guy's simple make the biggest mistake of their religion and I would simply ask if there is a minister who knows him to question his understanding about Christ words. His devilic motive will just simply adds darkness to INC Doctrine.

Kanilang ipangaral ng huwad na Religion na hindi naman itinatag ni Panginoong Jesus st tatawagin silang Lds church kasalungat sa aral na tinataguyod ng Tunay na Kawan ni Panginoong Jesus. Sa Pangalan palanv magkaiba na . And there's the name game again and yet you diverted it to a different insights. So tell me Job as the question that I ask one time.

• Was the Church Name important or the authority?
• If it's all about the church name, then all we need to do to obtain salvation is to rename the church to Iglesia Ni Christo, was it right?
• If not, then there's no need in discussing Church Name Game. 

Ang salita ni PJC ay salita ng Diyod na nag sugo sa kanya ayon sa Heb. 1:1-2 , and have you understand the words in that scripture?

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry timesand  in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

If you think it was Christ, then you should believe that it was also him who made the world. There are complicated words if we go to it further but this time it's not necessary to add that here. at ito ay ipinasulat ang salita ng Diyos . Jeremias 30:2 , you just simply mixed up the topic by just referencing irrelevant scripture verses. Jeremiah was instructed to write the Revelation he received and of course it was written in the Book of Jeremiah. This has nothing to do with the main topic and not even too close to say it's all about the scriptures. Jeremiah's words are exclusive to the revelations he received, not the entire Bible. I don't know what are you up to and this is a total out of content topic. at ito ay nakasulat sa Banal na kasulatan ayon sa 2 Tim. 3:16-17 Paul's instruction to Timothy has nothing to do with the entire Bible, during those time the Bible is not yet compiled and Timothy's knowledge about the scripture was no other that the Torah of there days, Timothy is will learn about the laws and the Prophets and Paul encouraged him to understand and read the scriptures. Simply, you don't know a thing about this verses. Ask your minister to help you about it. na ito ay natatskan na at huwag na dagdagan ni babawasan ayon sa Rev. 22:18-19. And here's another wrong ideology, you must understand how that word was written. John's revelation was written in the Patmos Isle and ofcourse it is a separate writings. John's caution was all about the revelations he received and during those time revelation was a separate writting to the other epistles of the apostles. And which in fact his warning was all about his sole book or the book of revelation alone. You fail to understand the scriptures because of your bigotry and man-made doctrine. See for example in the Book of Moses that also warns the same thing. 

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

So why added words and even books after it? Simply because it was all about the revelations receive during those times and they're commanded not to add or diminish the words that was already proclaimed. See how ignorant you are? 

Subalit ang bulaang propeta at gumawa din ng kasulatan na liban sa Biblia . Fail: Christ Said and I'll recall it again here - by their fruits ye shall know them. There's only one good evidence to know that the prophet was called of God and that is though their fruit. The book of Mormon prove that Christ restores his Church through his servants the Prophets and God will always provide ways to communicate to his people. But you INC cults could not provide even one example on how Felix Manalo was called by God and how did he receive revelation. You can't even proclaim how he was called and when did God speaks to him from heaven. ZERO. SO, WHO'S THE FALSE CHURCH?

Ito ay tinatawag nil na book of mormon na may nihil of obstat ni Sator ayon sa Rev. 12:9 na siyang dumays sa kanila . Don't make any made stories that you can't even support. This simply tells someone your deceiving just to get their attention. If you think that is, then expound it using any source to prove your claim. But to say something not re elevant to the subject is just simply a diversions to avoid the truth being told. ibang evangelio ang tinataguyod ng the polygamist church ni Joseph Smith. And seems like your childish act was begging to twist the topic. Too bad you can't support it not a single source. ito ang primary doctrine ng alagad ni Sator ang mapangalunya ayon sa Rev. 21:8 magkakamit daw sila ng pangako na buhay na walang hanggang ang  mga taong nasa kaliwang kamay ni Panginoong Jesus . And here's another wrong and lying style of INCultic doctrine to deceive, this is one of their technique to lead people as try as a wolf in Sheep's clothing. Sila daw anv mga kambing dahil hindi naman sila kabilang sa Kawan ni Panginoong Jesus. If you are a honest truth seekers or if you have the truth and wanted to share it, it not necessary to make such a stupid claim like this. Your lying and deceiving simply tell someone that you don't have the truth but rather a hate and rudeness in your arrongance. Your such a Bigot Job Bautista and you will never be a good Christian, no such thing as INCult Christian. You're not a Christian Church, prove me wrong. If so, then start acting as a Christian without hate and lying. 

Job Bautista: Study of Church Name Game

Jerry Nuñez Bustillo

Ayon kay Mr. Little bit Harder , gumamit siya ng mga pangalan ng Local ng INC sa unang siglo upang palabasin na marsmi diumano ang Iglesia na itinayo ni Panginoong Jesus at tinatawag sa ibsng pangalan ? 

Wrong: it was never at the time of Christ it was rather a time after Christ Ascension. Job Bautista's studies were too poor to comprehend the Scriptures. He just simply loves twisting the truth and turns them into their very own man ade doctrine. Here let me show you some of his Fail Study.

Kung ating susuriin ang Mateo 16:18 ay binanggit doon na itatayo ko ang AKING IGLESIA . Singular lamang ang pagkabanggit  at hindi binubuo ng maraming Iglesia . Christ build his church yes you got that right and it is just one church but not INC 1914. It was no other than the Church of Jesus Christ or the Church of God.

kaya sablay itong si Mr. Little bit Harder sa kanyang unawa. Are you sure, or maybe you still brought your bigoted study with you? Not new to me. 

Ang Iglesia na ito ay nag simula sa munting KAWAN  ayon sa Lukad 12:32. And seems like it has nothing to do with your Church Name Game. Sorry, it is never an INC and would never be in Philippines. Na ang tinutukoy na KAWAN ay ang Iglesia ni Cristo ayon sa Gawa 20:28 lamsa . And there goes the Bigotry. You seems to use Lamsa version as to cover up the Greek standard Koine version. Why was that? Because you can't accept Christ is God, because of Bigotry. Still thirsty for more? Anyway, let try to see Greek standard translation and we will use Nestle Arland and UBS to clarify each words. 

NA28 - 

ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ20:28 προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.

UBS GNT5 -

Acts 20:28προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.

So how it was written? (ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ) Clearly it was the Church of God. The only thing Job Bautista maintain his Lamsa version because of his Bigotry, he cannot simply use a Greek Septuagint or the original Greek version because it contradict their very own man made doctrine of INC

Dahil sa pinagusig itong KAWAN ni PJC ay nangalat ito at nakarating sa iba't ibang dako na binabanggit ni Jerry ( Mr.Little bit Harder ) subalit ito po ay isang Katawan lamang ni Cristo at may isang ulo. The church only got one Head and that was Christ no question about it. I don't know what are you up to, but this seems like you thinks I'm to poor to understand the scriptures. Too bad sir, I'm not like you. You better have your bible with you and understand it rather pick up only which was right in your own man made doctrine. Colosas 1:18 kaya sa mata ng Diyos ito anv bagong tao na nilalang niya sa pamamagitan ni Panginoong Jesus. Walang binabanggit na Maraming Katawan ? Still you have made a wrong assumptions enough of your Personalized doctrine. I'm used to it. Ang katawan na binabanggit ay bagama' iisa ito ay may maraming sangkap na napaloob lamang sa isang Katawan o Iglesia 1 Cor. 12:27. So I guess you don't understand the first article address to you. You should make a good answer than that. Your intention simply to divert it to a different insight which indeed make you cunning and unworthy in accepting the truth. Good try but not good enough.

Dahil sa ngalat ang Kawan ni Cristo nakarsting ito sadako ng mga Hentil. Roma 16:4 . ito ay tinawag na Iglesia ni Cristo ayon sa mga Roma 16:16. And there you use the Word Church of Christ using Roman 16:16 but in fact it was used as a plural term as to a Churches that was build by Christ through the spreading of the Gospel. He is trying to trick a word shift game to maintain their teachings. How stupid was that. Too much Bigotry. 

May hula si Panginoong Jesus na itong Iglesia ni ya ay ililigaw ng bulaang propheta 1 Tim. 4:1,3 , ito anv paglitaw naman ni Joseph smith ayon sa Mateo 24:4 , Marami ang kanilang ililigaw Mat. 24:11 . Wrong: your creating a fallacy of Hasty Generalization by just claiming something you can't support. Get a life bro. You people are so devilish, this is not a Christian teaching that of claiming something it is because of some claims. Christ clearly said to beware of false prophets... and by their fruits ye shall know them... This Job Bautista failed to understand the the Scripture that he even failed to realized that his So called Sugo doesn't have any fruit to tell his story and how he was called by God and how did he receive the authority. This Guy's simple make the biggest mistake of their religion and I would simply ask if there is a minister who knows him to question his understanding about Christ words. His devilic motive will just simply adds darkness to INC Doctrine.

Kanilang ipangaral ng huwad na Religion na hindi naman itinatag ni Panginoong Jesus st tatawagin silang Lds church kasalungat sa aral na tinataguyod ng Tunay na Kawan ni Panginoong Jesus. Sa Pangalan palanv magkaiba na . And there's the name game again and yet you diverted it to a different insights. So tell me Job as the question that I ask one time.

• Was the Church Name important or the authority?
• If it's all about the church name, then all we need to do to obtain salvation is to rename the church to Iglesia Ni Christo, was it right?
• If not, then there's no need in discussing Church Name Game. 

Ang salita ni PJC ay salita ng Diyod na nag sugo sa kanya ayon sa Heb. 1:1-2 , and have you understand the words in that scripture?

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry timesand  in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

If you think it was Christ, then you should believe that it was also him who made the world. There are complicated words if we go to it further but this time it's not necessary to add that here. at ito ay ipinasulat ang salita ng Diyos . Jeremias 30:2 , you just simply mixed up the topic by just referencing irrelevant scripture verses. Jeremiah was instructed to write the Revelation he received and of course it was written in the Book of Jeremiah. This has nothing to do with the main topic and not even too close to say it's all about the scriptures. Jeremiah's words are exclusive to the revelations he received, not the entire Bible. I don't know what are you up to and this is a total out of content topic. at ito ay nakasulat sa Banal na kasulatan ayon sa 2 Tim. 3:16-17 Paul's instruction to Timothy has nothing to do with the entire Bible, during those time the Bible is not yet compiled and Timothy's knowledge about the scripture was no other that the Torah of there days, Timothy is will learn about the laws and the Prophets and Paul encouraged him to understand and read the scriptures. Simply, you don't know a thing about this verses. Ask your minister to help you about it. na ito ay natatskan na at huwag na dagdagan ni babawasan ayon sa Rev. 22:18-19. And here's another wrong ideology, you must understand how that word was written. John's revelation was written in the Patmos Isle and ofcourse it is a separate writings. John's caution was all about the revelations he received and during those time revelation was a separate writting to the other epistles of the apostles. And which in fact his warning was all about his sole book or the book of revelation alone. You fail to understand the scriptures because of your bigotry and man-made doctrine. See for example in the Book of Moses that also warns the same thing. 

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

So why added words and even books after it? Simply because it was all about the revelations receive during those times and they're commanded not to add or diminish the words that was already proclaimed. See how ignorant you are? 

Subalit ang bulaang propeta at gumawa din ng kasulatan na liban sa Biblia . Fail: Christ Said and I'll recall it again here - by their fruits ye shall know them. There's only one good evidence to know that the prophet was called of God and that is though their fruit. The book of Mormon prove that Christ restores his Church through his servants the Prophets and God will always provide ways to communicate to his people. But you INC cults could not provide even one example on how Felix Manalo was called by God and how did he receive revelation. You can't even proclaim how he was called and when did God speaks to him from heaven. ZERO. SO, WHO'S THE FALSE CHURCH?

Ito ay tinatawag nil na book of mormon na may nihil of obstat ni Sator ayon sa Rev. 12:9 na siyang dumays sa kanila . Don't make any made stories that you can't even support. This simply tells someone your deceiving just to get their attention. If you think that is, then expound it using any source to prove your claim. But to say something not re elevant to the subject is just simply a diversions to avoid the truth being told. ibang evangelio ang tinataguyod ng the polygamist church ni Joseph Smith. And seems like your childish act was begging to twist the topic. Too bad you can't support it not a single source. ito ang primary doctrine ng alagad ni Sator ang mapangalunya ayon sa Rev. 21:8 magkakamit daw sila ng pangako na buhay na walang hanggang ang  mga taong nasa kaliwang kamay ni Panginoong Jesus . And here's another wrong and lying style of INCultic doctrine to deceive, this is one of their technique to lead people as try as a wolf in Sheep's clothing. Sila daw anv mga kambing dahil hindi naman sila kabilang sa Kawan ni Panginoong Jesus. If you are a honest truth seekers or if you have the truth and wanted to share it, it not necessary to make such a stupid claim like this. Your lying and deceiving simply tell someone that you don't have the truth but rather a hate and rudeness in your arrongance. Your such a Bigot Job Bautista and you will never be a good Christian, no such thing as INCult Christian. You're not a Christian Church, prove me wrong. If so, then start acting as a Christian without hate and lying. 

Neil Andi Anderson: Melissa Schindle - a 5 dollar offer

Comparing to someone else
doesn't make your church true.
This Arrogance prove how
dirty you are in a discussions.
This also proves you know nothing
rather copy paste to a weak sources
And claim you know something
About your claim.

Okay, here let me help you in your so called 5 dollar payment for a night. Seems like you know nothing about it. Let's dive in, and take a closer study.

#9: Melissa Schindle

Palmer continues to quote John C. Bennett’s publication, History of the Saints, by reproducing an affidavit from Melissa Schindle (p. 14):

In the fall of 1841, she was staying one night with the widow Fuller, who has recently been married to a Mr. Warren, in the city of Nauvoo, and that Joseph Smith came into the room where she was sleeping about 10 o’clock at night, and after making a few remarks came to her bedside, and asked her if he could have the privilege of sleeping with her. She immediately replied no. He, on the receipt of the above answer told her it was the will of the Lord that he should have illicit intercourse with her, and that he never proceeded to do any thing of that kind with any woman without first having the will of the Lord on the subject; and further he told her that if she would consent to let him have such intercourse with her, she could make his house her home as long as she wished to do so, and that she should never want for anything it was in his power to assist her to but she would not consent to it. He then told her that if she would let him sleep with her that night he would give her five dollars but she refused all his propositions. He then told her that she must never tell of his propositions to her, for he had ALL influence in that place, and if she told he would ruin her character, and she would be under the necessity of leaving. He then went to an adjoining bed where the Widow [Fuller] was sleeping got into bed with her and laid there until about 1 o’clock, when he got up, bid them good night, and left them, and further this deponent saith not.

MELISSA (her X mark) SCHINDLE.

Subscribed and sworn to before me, this 2d day July, 1842. A. FULKERSON, J. P. (seal).81

Palmer evidently takes this affidavit at face value, writing that on an “1841 evening … Melissa Schindle was propositioned by Smith,” and “Melissa rejected” Joseph Smith’s offer (p. 14). 

However, the affidavit’s credibility is questionable on several grounds.

Schindle’s illiteracy, indicated by her signing an “X,” shows that she would have required assistance from other individuals including, potentially, John C. Bennett to compose the document. Two weeks after the affidavit was published, Melissa Schindle’s moral character was questioned in Nauvoo’s secular newspaper, The Wasp: “Who is Mrs. Shindle? A harlot.”82

Catherine Fuller (see case #10) was tried before the Nauvoo High Council on 25 May 1842 for immoral activity with John C. Bennett. During her trial, she accused Bennett of also sleeping with Melissa Schindle.83 D. Michael Quinn lists her as one of Bennett’s “free-love” companions.84

The events described in the affidavit include several details that seem implausible. In 1841 Nauvoo, no man even Joseph Smith was likely to be allowed to wander into a room where women were already in bed sleeping at ten o’clock at night.

Schindle’s claim that Joseph Smith “told her it was the will of the Lord that he should have illicit intercourse with her” depicts him as an adulterous hypocrite, acknowledging from the onset that the relationship would have been “illicit.” Such a depiction of the Prophet contradicts the numerous other public and private evidences that Joseph taught and practiced a different moral standard.

It is also implausible that the Prophet would offer Schindle to “make his house her home” if she would acquiesce. It seems clear that Emma, the Prophet’s legal wife, would not have tolerated such an arrangement at their Nauvoo homestead. 

(The Smiths did not move into the spacious Nauvoo Mansion until August of 1843.)

The offering of money, “five dollars,” is also singular. None of Joseph’s plural wives reported any promises of material benefits or financial favors to them. Plural wife Lucy Walker recalled Joseph telling her as he discussed a plural sealing with her: “I have no flattering words to offer.”85 There is simply too much here that does not add up.

Sources 

81. John C. Bennett, letter dated 27 June 1842, “Bennett’s Second and Third Letters,” Sangamo Journal, Springfield, Ill., 15 July 1842. Reproduced in Bennett’s History of the Saints: or, An Exposé of Joe Smith and Mormonism (Boston: Leland & Whiting, 1842), 253–54, https://archive.org/details/historysaints00benngoog

82. The Wasp, “Extra” edition, Wednesday, 27 July 1842. The Wasp names her “Shindle,” while Bennett’s Sangamo Journal and History of the Saints account uses “Schindle” (see note 81 above).

83. Catherine Fuller testimony before the Nauvoo High Council, 25 May 1842; copy of holograph in Valeen Tippitts Avery Collection, Utah State University, Logan, Utah. See further discussion on pp. 219–20 below.

84. D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1994), 536.

85. Quote in Lyman Omer Littlefield, Reminiscences of Latter-day Saints: Giving an Account of Much Individual Suffering Endured for Religious Conscience (Logan, Utah: Utah Journal Co., 1888), 47

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Neil Andi Anderson: Melissa Schindle - a 5 dollar offer

Comparing to someone else
doesn't make your church true.
This Arrogance prove how
dirty you are in a discussions.
This also proves you know nothing
rather copy paste to a weak sources
And claim you know something
About your claim.

Okay, here let me help you in your so called 5 dollar payment for a night. Seems like you know nothing about it. Let's dive in, and take a closer study.

#9: Melissa Schindle

Palmer continues to quote John C. Bennett’s publication, History of the Saints, by reproducing an affidavit from Melissa Schindle (p. 14):

In the fall of 1841, she was staying one night with the widow Fuller, who has recently been married to a Mr. Warren, in the city of Nauvoo, and that Joseph Smith came into the room where she was sleeping about 10 o’clock at night, and after making a few remarks came to her bedside, and asked her if he could have the privilege of sleeping with her. She immediately replied no. He, on the receipt of the above answer told her it was the will of the Lord that he should have illicit intercourse with her, and that he never proceeded to do any thing of that kind with any woman without first having the will of the Lord on the subject; and further he told her that if she would consent to let him have such intercourse with her, she could make his house her home as long as she wished to do so, and that she should never want for anything it was in his power to assist her to but she would not consent to it. He then told her that if she would let him sleep with her that night he would give her five dollars but she refused all his propositions. He then told her that she must never tell of his propositions to her, for he had ALL influence in that place, and if she told he would ruin her character, and she would be under the necessity of leaving. He then went to an adjoining bed where the Widow [Fuller] was sleeping got into bed with her and laid there until about 1 o’clock, when he got up, bid them good night, and left them, and further this deponent saith not.

MELISSA (her X mark) SCHINDLE.

Subscribed and sworn to before me, this 2d day July, 1842. A. FULKERSON, J. P. (seal).81

Palmer evidently takes this affidavit at face value, writing that on an “1841 evening … Melissa Schindle was propositioned by Smith,” and “Melissa rejected” Joseph Smith’s offer (p. 14). 

However, the affidavit’s credibility is questionable on several grounds.

Schindle’s illiteracy, indicated by her signing an “X,” shows that she would have required assistance from other individuals including, potentially, John C. Bennett to compose the document. Two weeks after the affidavit was published, Melissa Schindle’s moral character was questioned in Nauvoo’s secular newspaper, The Wasp: “Who is Mrs. Shindle? A harlot.”82

Catherine Fuller (see case #10) was tried before the Nauvoo High Council on 25 May 1842 for immoral activity with John C. Bennett. During her trial, she accused Bennett of also sleeping with Melissa Schindle.83 D. Michael Quinn lists her as one of Bennett’s “free-love” companions.84

The events described in the affidavit include several details that seem implausible. In 1841 Nauvoo, no man even Joseph Smith was likely to be allowed to wander into a room where women were already in bed sleeping at ten o’clock at night.

Schindle’s claim that Joseph Smith “told her it was the will of the Lord that he should have illicit intercourse with her” depicts him as an adulterous hypocrite, acknowledging from the onset that the relationship would have been “illicit.” Such a depiction of the Prophet contradicts the numerous other public and private evidences that Joseph taught and practiced a different moral standard.

It is also implausible that the Prophet would offer Schindle to “make his house her home” if she would acquiesce. It seems clear that Emma, the Prophet’s legal wife, would not have tolerated such an arrangement at their Nauvoo homestead. 

(The Smiths did not move into the spacious Nauvoo Mansion until August of 1843.)

The offering of money, “five dollars,” is also singular. None of Joseph’s plural wives reported any promises of material benefits or financial favors to them. Plural wife Lucy Walker recalled Joseph telling her as he discussed a plural sealing with her: “I have no flattering words to offer.”85 There is simply too much here that does not add up.

Sources 

81. John C. Bennett, letter dated 27 June 1842, “Bennett’s Second and Third Letters,” Sangamo Journal, Springfield, Ill., 15 July 1842. Reproduced in Bennett’s History of the Saints: or, An Exposé of Joe Smith and Mormonism (Boston: Leland & Whiting, 1842), 253–54, https://archive.org/details/historysaints00benngoog

82. The Wasp, “Extra” edition, Wednesday, 27 July 1842. The Wasp names her “Shindle,” while Bennett’s Sangamo Journal and History of the Saints account uses “Schindle” (see note 81 above).

83. Catherine Fuller testimony before the Nauvoo High Council, 25 May 1842; copy of holograph in Valeen Tippitts Avery Collection, Utah State University, Logan, Utah. See further discussion on pp. 219–20 below.

84. D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1994), 536.

85. Quote in Lyman Omer Littlefield, Reminiscences of Latter-day Saints: Giving an Account of Much Individual Suffering Endured for Religious Conscience (Logan, Utah: Utah Journal Co., 1888), 47

My only invitation to you.
Provide a reliable source
Rather trash and a stupid
hearsays from your INC media.