The issue still stuck to the nature of God and Christ's divinity as the Son of God the Eternal Father. It's not a surprise since there are a group of people who believe Christ as a mere human who was born only with human parents. The Jews hope for a Messiah to come and save them, but never accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah to save the people, (except for a few people who knows him so well). Angel Ramos referred Christ it to. Let's dive in and examine her text -
John 17:5 ” At ngayon, Ama, luwalhatiin mo ako sa iyo rin ng kaluwalhatiang aking TINAMO sa iyo BAGO ANG SANLIBUTAN AY GINAWA.”
See how the text is written, "with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". Christ's claims on his divine identity show that he was already with the father from the very beginning before the creation of this world. At this certain point, Christ asks the Father to glorify him since he is in a human form. No human could achieve the glory of God or his power with any transformations. So basically, Christ is asking the father to exceed from human form could endure to a glorified being. And in that case, this was done after the resurrection of his body. From mortality to immortality, and achieved exaltation.
Kung tatanggapin natin ang kanilang maling pag-unawa sa talatang ito, lalabas na marami ang Diyos at lahat sila, maging si Apostol Pablo ay existido na bago pa lalangin ang sanlibutan:
And that's correct. Every spirit does exist before the world was created. When the plan of salvation was presented, we were their shouts for Joy that all of us will become like our father in heaven and the very reason of the creation. The Father was never alone from the beginning, He has families and we are all his spirit children.
“Kaya PINILI Niya tayo kay Cristo BAGO ANG SANLIBUTAN AY GINAWA upang maging banal at walang dungis sa harapan Niya sa pag-ibig ” [Efeso 1:4, New Jerusalem Bible]
So you're saying that we do exist before the world was created and deny that Christ was not there? If We are chosen before the world was created then it simply means we existed, our spirit existed with God as our Father. So was Christ also existed with us?
Ito ang katunayan kung bakit hindi ito maaring maging batayan ito ng ilan na sabihing existido na ang Cristo bago pa lalangin ang sanlibutan. Dahil si Cristo ay nasa isip pa lamang ng Diyos noong una:
1 Peter 1:20
” FOREKNOWN, indeed, BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, he has been manifested in the times for your sakes.” [Confraternity Version]
Good to know, shifting from different translations to justify your doctrine. Nice trick. But let get to that.
At tinamo niya ang kaluwalhatian bago pa likhain ang sanlibutan sapagkat sa kaparehong paraan kung paano pinili ng Diyos ang mga Cristiano, ay gayong paraan rin Siya pinili ng Diyos:
Ephesians 1:5
” God PLANNED long ago that we become His Own sons through Jesus Christ. This would please God; it is what He wanted.” [Simple English Bible]
Siya ay pinili na ng Diyos o itinadhana na buhat sa pasimula:
If you're talking about the Plan of God, Yes! it is right. He was chosen before the foundation of the world. So he does exist, the word chosen is an actual existence, not a knowledge that was only based on plans. God could simply choose whoever he wants if this were just done in his mind. But to think it that way, there's no need for the plan of salvation to be presented, there's no need of prophets where he knows and it's already predicted. God could just simply manipulate everything that will happen and controls it since everything was already foreknown as the author says. But the freedom to choose was there and which means everything is not controlled by just one being. We are not manipulated and we have the right to choose God or the opposite. So the plan has been made and there's the ground we're standing to follow it and Christ has been the example of us.
“He was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake.” [1 Pedro 1:20 Revised Standard Bible]
Using this version will contradict the former. We could see their doctrine is so absurd. Picking up which version was right and just select some parts could lead you to confusion. In dictionary term the word destined means "to designate, assign, or dedicate in advance" which mean, there is someone or something that already exist and was assigned in a specific calling or mission.Hindi ito nangangahulugang existido na si Cristo noon pang pasimula, ito ay nangangahulugan lamang na siya ay isang plano na bago panahon ng paglalang.
And how are you gonna twist that? The version you using simply defines what it is and yet you still insisted on your understanding of the existence of Christ? The "Word, was God" take note of the word "WAS" which means it's already there. It never said "The Word will be" or Soon after it was born.
Sapagkat si Cristo ay naging existido lamang nang ipanganak siya ni Maria:
Galacia 4:4
” Datapuwa’t nang dumating ang kapanahunan, ay sinugo ng Dios ang kaniyang Anak, na ipinanganak ng isang babae, na ipinanganak sa ilalim ng kautusan “
And there it is, "SINUGO" how are you gonna send someone or choose someone to be or be born, if that someone or being has never existed? What kind of Doctrine was that?
Mateo 1:18
” Ang pagkapanganak nga kay Jesucristo ay ganito: Nang si Maria na kaniyang ina ay magaasawa kay Jose, bago sila magsama ay nasumpungang siya’y nagdadalang-tao sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo. “
And I don't see how relevant this verse is to the topic. Maybe because he was born as a human child.
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Ok, so you have part two. I guess.