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| Before organizing the INC Religion Reinactment from the Movie Felix Manalo |
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| A cover from their Pasugo Magazines. |
From the pictures. The above first picture was a reinactment on how Felix Manalo received an authority to perform clergy on his previous religions. The line of his authority basically was unknown, since no recorded statements as to who performs it at to what authority he have before it was passed to Felix Manalo. And after he was excommunicated for some reasons, the authority from other sect no longer valid (though it wasn't valid at all from the first place. This will be in a separate topic). And here in the second picture above was the performance of passing down the authority from person to person in INC religion after Felix Manalo Organized it. So the question remains a mystery. Who gave (Felix Manalo) the authority?
A sequence of Job Bautista's plea below. His reply seems so absurd and so much of bigotry. He tries to bend it with his knowledge and that Baptism could never be found somewhere in a region outside in the Holy Land where John the Baptist (not related to Job Bautista) performs the saving ordinance of Baptism. Texts in colored are my comments Let's dive in -
Jerry Nuñez Bustillo
The attack is just the same. Addressed to me thinking someone will favor his appeal. Let's try that here.
This cult defender is asking about Baptism?
Calling a cult while you don't have any ground to stand on. Nice one Job Bautista.
About 559BC . this cult people is conducting baptism in the river of Mormon. Mosiah chapter 18 . according to the story of Alma that they went to river and both of them dive and submerged themselves with Helam.
Okay, so what's the big deal. Since it was all about Baptism, yes of course they need to be submerged into the water. The problem here maybe was who authorized them in performing Baptism, and this could be the best topic we will be discussing today with Job Bautista and his INC Doctrine. But yes no one baptized them save until it was performed by someone who receive that revelation. Good thing that you open that up.
And Mosiah according to him those are baptized in that dat was added to the Church of God or Church of Christ. Mosiah 18:17 . If you could notice that the name of Lds cult is not mentioned . Take note that this happened to America in the river of Mormon .
So, places are also a big deal to his ideology. Of course, they're already in America what do you want them to do? Do you want them to travel back to the promised land just to be baptized by John the Baptist and back again to America to continue their regular life? So insane study Job Bautista. But let's just assume that it's not the proper Baptism. So, do you have the credibility to defend your Manalo who has the same authority to baptize in the Philippines? Tell me about it?
Joseph Smith received the authority directly from John the Baptist of Priest or Levitcal Descendants. The words of John was recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 13 -
Jerry Nuñez Bustillo
The attack is just the same. Addressed to me thinking someone will favor his appeal. Let's try that here.
This cult defender is asking about Baptism?
Calling a cult while you don't have any ground to stand on. Nice one Job Bautista.
About 559BC . this cult people is conducting baptism in the river of Mormon. Mosiah chapter 18 . according to the story of Alma that they went to river and both of them dive and submerged themselves with Helam.
Basically, not a problem and it seems like he doesn't like the idea of performing the ordinance of Baptism. I don't know what is he up to while showing this information. But it's a good thing he opens it up to save me in my research. Okay, let's move forward.
No one baptized them but they’re themselves diving to the water in the river of Mormon somewhere in America . If you’d remembered that 589-600 BC they already migrated to America . According to Alma they baptized about 200 people in the river of Mormon. Mosiah 18:16
No one baptized them but they’re themselves diving to the water in the river of Mormon somewhere in America . If you’d remembered that 589-600 BC they already migrated to America . According to Alma they baptized about 200 people in the river of Mormon. Mosiah 18:16
Okay, so what's the big deal. Since it was all about Baptism, yes of course they need to be submerged into the water. The problem here maybe was who authorized them in performing Baptism, and this could be the best topic we will be discussing today with Job Bautista and his INC Doctrine. But yes no one baptized them save until it was performed by someone who receive that revelation. Good thing that you open that up.
And Mosiah according to him those are baptized in that dat was added to the Church of God or Church of Christ. Mosiah 18:17 . If you could notice that the name of Lds cult is not mentioned . Take note that this happened to America in the river of Mormon .
The name LDS is not a big deal since it is not the right name of the church. This guy still thinks that LDS was organized during the Book of Mormon Period and wanted to find an issue about it since his knowledge is limited only to name church issues or the right church name for salvation. He never thinks about the teachings, and proper authority, or even revelation of their so-called messenger as they claimed.
On the other hand, John the Baptist conducting baptism for the forgiveness of sins . Jesus also was baptized by John the Baptist in the river of Jordan . Mark 1:9 approximately about 33 AD .
Seems nothing to be discussed, except for one thing. Baptism is for the remission of sin but yeah it's mostly identical, but not necessarily as if no need of repentance, but yes, God wants us to be clean before entering in His kingdom, and Christ taught us some guiding principles and ordinances about it.
So, the baptism of moronic doctrine 559BC that is not related , because this was done in America.
On the other hand, John the Baptist conducting baptism for the forgiveness of sins . Jesus also was baptized by John the Baptist in the river of Jordan . Mark 1:9 approximately about 33 AD .
Seems nothing to be discussed, except for one thing. Baptism is for the remission of sin but yeah it's mostly identical, but not necessarily as if no need of repentance, but yes, God wants us to be clean before entering in His kingdom, and Christ taught us some guiding principles and ordinances about it.
So, the baptism of moronic doctrine 559BC that is not related , because this was done in America.
So, places are also a big deal to his ideology. Of course, they're already in America what do you want them to do? Do you want them to travel back to the promised land just to be baptized by John the Baptist and back again to America to continue their regular life? So insane study Job Bautista. But let's just assume that it's not the proper Baptism. So, do you have the credibility to defend your Manalo who has the same authority to baptize in the Philippines? Tell me about it?
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| Job Bautista's Helarious comments. The life of John the Baptist wasn't written in full detail in the Bible. Why would INC use it as an excuse? |
Let's just leave it there for the main time and will discuss more part of your INC authority after this. Let's just move forward to complete his comments.
While John the Baptist conducting baptism in the river of Jordan . The date is about 33AD .
While John the Baptist conducting baptism in the river of Jordan . The date is about 33AD .
Possibly or possibly not. John already preach before Christ's ministry or before Christ was baptized and about the year, you just simply assumed it because it was all that was written in the four gospels available in our days. We never knew since John the Baptist has a life before the baptism of Christ and his father hid him in the wilderness, being a descendant of Levitical Priests, John the Baptist got that authority directly to his father, still, we don't know the exact detail of his life before it was written in the bible. There is also the possiblity that John receive a revelation from God through the Angel to start his Ministry and was given that same authority from heaven to baptize people. Just as Christ who faster 40 days and night and was visited by the Angel ministering him before he starts his Mission.
Matthew 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him....17 ¶ From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
So, we never knew before that or about John the Baptist mission, the only thing we knew was that God gave us a pattern on how he would call and prepare his servants to minister to his children. So, don't limit your mind by just sticking to a few texts in the Bible that didn't tell us the detail of their life. Don't assume as if it was.
This cult defender want to connect about the baptism of the people of Israel under the leadership of Moses which they receive baptism through the cloud and sea as symbolic only and no immersion in the water as what John the Baptist taught the baptism in the water and in Spirit. Mark 1:8,,also baptizing more people. John 4:1 . in which this story was copied by Joseph. Mosiah 18:16 about 200 people were baptized according to the book of fictions. ( BOM)
The funny thing is, I never connect you with that and also it was Paul who gave that short example. I was only giving you a simple idea that this type of teaching did exist in their days, not just in the New Testament. The New Testament was written in greek which originate the word baptism. You're just making yourself a clown in a circus as always. We are simply talking about Baptism and yes it was revealed through an Angel during Nephi's days (go and check Part 1 about this). And the only problem was, you can't accept and admit that revelation does exist even in these latter days. You don't have Revelation and Manalo did not receive any revelation to perform baptism and build his church, which means you are already crushed in this doctrine alone. But don't worry, I don't mind it. 😁
Conclusion ; this cult defender is always relying his hearsay doctrines which contradicts the Bible if not they just copied from the Bible.
The funny thing is, I never connect you with that and also it was Paul who gave that short example. I was only giving you a simple idea that this type of teaching did exist in their days, not just in the New Testament. The New Testament was written in greek which originate the word baptism. You're just making yourself a clown in a circus as always. We are simply talking about Baptism and yes it was revealed through an Angel during Nephi's days (go and check Part 1 about this). And the only problem was, you can't accept and admit that revelation does exist even in these latter days. You don't have Revelation and Manalo did not receive any revelation to perform baptism and build his church, which means you are already crushed in this doctrine alone. But don't worry, I don't mind it. 😁
Conclusion ; this cult defender is always relying his hearsay doctrines which contradicts the Bible if not they just copied from the Bible.
Performing baptism is not contradictory to Christ's Teaching. And it was even proven in our first discussions. You just simply can't accept it. The only contradiction here was your Messenger who claim to be the fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy that has no rights and authority to perform the saving ordinances, And that is that.
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| Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received the authority to Baptized through John the Baptist. |
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| Joseph Smith Baptising Oliver. (They take turn) |
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| Joseph and Oliver with Peter, James and John of the twelve Apostles. The Authority to preach and organize the Church of Jesus Christ |
Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; and this shall never be taken again from the earth, until the sons of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness.
In conclusion, the person that has a proper authority was the only person who can perform the saving ordinances. This Job Baptista has nothing to prove on his claim rather picking up something just good for him as an antagonists. A bigot would never learned the truth not until he leaves his bigotry.