I already made a topic about this the last time, but for the sake of my respond, I'll make this article for them to look up incase they wanted to know how ignorantly they fail to understand Biblical exegesis and Eisegesis. Without further adieu let's get to it -
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Jerry Nuñez Bustillo
Elden Dellima
The God of Israel chose those who would believe and receive eternal life./ Part 1
Address me and the author of the post and made a move of his statement.
Acts 13:48Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed (ordained) to eternal life believed.
Mr. Jerry Nuñez Bustillo, were LDS appointed to believe and receive eternal life? That would be a BIG NO!
Why?
Because...
God CHOSE Israel not LDS.
Deuteronomy 7:6-6 “For you (Israel) are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐂𝐇𝐎𝐒𝐄𝐍 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐇𝐢𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟, 𝐚 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡.
I just don't know how this guy carefully understand the scripture he attempted to throw. Let's try first the scripture he mean on the Acts 13:48. By looking up the context, this was all about the conversion of Gentile after Paul and other early missionary brought to them the Gospel. I don't know how it relates to the issue but I'm thinking he meant this was his stand that the Gospel was supposed to be for INC members or so. Or I think this was all about The spreading of Gospel to Philippines as the chosen nation or people, since it was part of the Gentile nation. I don't know exactly what he mean and this is funny to assume that it was all about just the INC nation and not the rest of the Christian believers. 🤣! Remember, this was an early Missionary Proselyte the Gentile non-believers, Philippines is also a Gentile nation but it is not yet around that time, LOL!
He then provide the question about were LDS members appointed to believe and receive eternal life. Man, I have no clue how this was all about related to the issue. It is irrelevant, that says nothing about the INC of Felix Manalo either, rather it was all about the Gentile's conversion during their ministry.
Quoting Deuteronomy 7:6 is not even related to INC or LDS but was all about God's choicest people or nation which is Israel. It's not about INC church or any other. So, I don't know why you brought this up.
1 Peter 2:9-9 But you are a 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐚 𝐂𝐇𝐎𝐒𝐄𝐍 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, 𝐇𝐢𝐬 𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Quoting this verse also didn't say anything about your religion (the INC). If you want to know the context of this epistle, I encourage you Jose Magadia to read the very first chapter of this book so you may know to whom it was all about. This is a letter of Peter to the Saints (Believers) among Gentile nation, which is actually mentioned in 1 Peter 1:1. So no, it wasn't about the INC at all, but we do agree that this was meant to be a general declarations or teachings which could also be applied to believers ahead of their time. But you can't make a claim that this was all about your religion without taking the context and how it was addressed. Same goes with everyone else who claimed to be as the fulfilment of holy writ while you don't even understand the importance of Priesthood duties and authorities. That won't work Jose Magadia. This will only be fulfiled to those who have authority of Priesthood. Your religion don't have it. If you think you can refute that topic we can have a separate discussion on it.
This is an important prophecy of God to know, the exact location where the CHOSEN PEOPLE, HIS OWN SPECIAL PEOPLE where it will originate in the east, which is far away. As for the MOFFATT'S version, it is already stated in the FAR EAST. What is the nature of this place? It is made up of islands or islets of the sea. (Isaiah 42:10; 24:15; 66;19)
The rest of the version didn't say anything about Far East. There is east and far country which most of the scholars or as obvious as it was in Biblical study where people scattered Mediterranean and some parts of Gentile nations (Not Philippines).
Location of New Israel is the Philippines???
Do you believe that Mr, Jerry Nuñez Bustillo?
Obviously, No! Why should I, and what makes you think I believe on it?
Let's FIND OUT...
Go ahead, you can do every ends of the earth Theory of your ideology. Funny how I mixed words on your doctrinal teachings.
Isaiah 42:10 Holman Christian Standard BibleA Song of Praise10 Sing a new song to the Lord;sing His praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea with all that fills it, you 👉ISLANDS👈 with your inhabitants.
Isaiah 24:15 King James Version
15 Wherefore glorify ye the Lord in the fires, even the name of the 👉 LORD GOD OF ISRAEL in the 👉ISLES OF THE SEA.
Isaiah 24:15Contemporary English Version15 And so, everyone in the eastand 👉THOSE ON THE ISLANDSshould praise the Lord,👉 THE GOD OF ISRAEL.
Isaiah 66:19 King James Version19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the 👉 ISLES AFAR OFF, THAT HAVE NOT HEARD MY FAME, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
CAN YOU SEE that Mr. Jerry Nuñez Bustillo?!
Yes, I can see how you got mixed up anything out of context by simply selecting the best part of your doctrine. Do you really think it was all about Philippines? As you have said on the first place Israel as the chosen nation, God chose Israel, and yet you want to make your own interpretation in regards to the people of Israel that was scattered or during their exile? There are isles of the sea somewhere in Polynesia or in Pacific, why not there? How certain are you that there are Israelites or Jews that were scattered in Philippines as the context goes?
Take this as the example of your out of context ideology "ISLES AFAR OFF, THAT HAVE NOT HEARD MY FAME, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles."
Philippines is a Gentile Nation. Which means, the phrase "Isle afar off" is not intended for a Gentile Nation but rather a group of people that were in an exile far land and will soon hear God's call that perhaps will deliver the message to the Gentile (will of course Philippines was one of it a a Gentile nation as I had said).
See, it will just simply conflicts your understanding if you try to insist that Philippines is part of it while it is not yet known, or basically, the preaching was supposed to be from them and then to the Gentile.
👉 the LORD GOD OF ISRAEL...👉 IN THE ISLES OF THE SEA...
There are isles in the Mediterranean Sea which closely resembles the meaning of the verses. How certain are you that it was all about Philippines while it was unknown in the days of their declaration? I even think Philippines was still in underwater that time. LOL! But seriously, why would they choose Philippines as a promise of Israel's freedom from bondage?
Question:Did Prophet Isaiah refers the ISLES OF THE SEA is the Salt Lake County in Utah where LDS originated?
Answer: Definitely BIG NO, because Salt Lake County do not fit the nature of the place as a country of group of island where Prophet Isaiah refers to the Country ~ ISLES AFAR OFF at the end of times... WHY? Because Salt Lake County is from the FAR WEST and do not conform to the physical nature of group of Island...
Yes, you're absolutely right, and we never claim that way. And you can't find it that it was all about the LDS doctrine because everyone one knows it's all about the exile, so why would we claim it as in Salt Lake or in Utah Territory. The very reason you got yourself stock to that birds of prey thing and which God did never manifest anything to Felix rather he simply proclaim himself as the one fulfilled but it was not. Your scriptural references has nothing to do with Felix at all and there you are trying to make a claim telling me that you're right in understanding scriptural writtings while the context wasn't all about it.
Please listen carefully Mr. Jerry Nuñez Bustillo...
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Children of the promise are also called Israel (Romans 9:6-8)
Yes, and Philippines is not an Israelites nation. We only adapt the gospel that's why we were called children of Abraham through adaption. So why are you claiming that as fulfilment of your church?
END OF PART 1:
Let's see what will be the part 2 of your biblical understanding.
End Notes Commentary
I added some Commentaries, so it would be fair in his side on the scriptures he used.
I added some Commentaries, so it would be fair in his side on the scriptures he used.
Isaiah 42:10Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.Sing unto the Lord a new song,.... On account of the new things before prophesied of, and now done; on account of redemption and salvation by Christ, and the conversion of the Gentiles through the light of the Gospel brought among them; the song of redeeming love, and for the Gospel, and regenerating grace; and not the Jews only, but the Gentiles also, are called upon to sing this song, as having a special share in the blessings, the subject of it: hence it follows,
and his praise from the end of the earth; thither the Gospel being sent, and there made effectual to the conversion of many, these are exhorted to sing and show forth the praises of him who had called them out of Heathenish blindness and darkness into the marvellous light of the Gospel and grace of God:
ye that go down into the sea; in ships, that trade by sea; such as the Phoenicians, Tyrians, and Sidonians, to whom the Gospel came, and where it was preached with success, to the conversion of many of them, and therefore had reason to join in this new song; see Acts 11:19 or such that went by sea to distant parts, on purpose to publish the Gospel, as Paul, Barnabas, Silas, and Timothy; and who, succeeding in their work, had reason to rejoice; see Acts 13:4,
and all that is therein: or "the fulness of it" (s); meaning not the fishes in it, but the islands of it, as next explained:
the isles, and the inhabitants thereof; as Cyprus, Crete, and other isles, which heard the joyful sound of the Gospel, and embraced it, Acts 13:4, and, as the sea often denotes the western part of the world from Judea, this may design the European parts of it, and the islands in it, particularly ours of Great Britain and Ireland, whither the Gospel came very early.
(s) "et plenitudo ejus", Munster, Pagainus, Montanus.
Isaiah 24:15Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea.
Wherefore glorify ye the Lord - The prophet, in this verse, calls upon the people to join in the praise of Yahweh wherever they are scattered. In the previous verse he describes the scattered few who were left in the land, or who had escaped to the adjacent islands in the sea, as celebrating the praises of God where they were. In this verse he calls on all to join in this wherever they were scattered.
In the fires - Margin, 'Valleys.' The Septuagint reads, Ἐν τοῖς νήσοις En tois nēsois - 'In the islands.' The Chaldee, 'Therefore, when light shall come to the just, they shall glorify the Lord.' Lowth supposes that the word: בארים bâ'uriym should have been באיים bâ'iyiym, 'in the islands,' or 'coasts.' But the MSS. do not give authority for this reading; the only authority which Lowth refers to being that of the Septuagint. Other conjectures have been made by others, but all without any authority from MSS. The Hebrew world in the plural form does not occur elsewhere in the Scriptures. The proper signification of the word אור 'ôr is light, and it is applied
(a) to daylight, or daybreak, 1 Samuel 14:36; Nehemiah 8:3;
(b) to light from daybreak to mid-day, Job 24:14;
(c) the sun, Job 31:26; Job 37:21;
(d) light as the emblem of happiness;
(e) light as the emblem of knowledge is also used to denote fire, Ezekiel 5:2; Isaiah 44:16; Isaiah 47:14,
In the plural form it is applied, in connection with the word "Thummim," to the gems or images which were on the breastplate of the high priest, and from which responses were obtained. Exodus 28:30 : 'And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim (האוּרים hâ'ûriym) and the Thummim' (compare Leviticus 8:8; Ezra 2:63). Probably it was thus used to denote the splendor or beauty of the gems there set, or perhaps the light or instruction which was the result of consulting the oracle. The proper meaning of the word is, however, light, and it usually and naturally suggests the idea of the morning light, the aurora; perhaps, also, the northern light, or the aurora borealis. It in no instance means caves, or valleys. Vitringa supposed it referred to caves, and that the address was to the "Troglodytes," or those who had been driven from their homes, and compelled to take up their residence in caves. The word probably refers either to the regions of the morning light, the rising of the sun; or of the northern light, the aurora borealis; and in either case, the reference is doubtless to those who would be carried away to Babylon, and who were called on there by the prophet to glorify God. 'In those regions of light, where the morning dawns; or where the northern skies are illuminated at night, there glorify God' (see the note at Isaiah 14:13). The reasons for this opinion are,
(1) That such is the natural and proper sense of the word. It properly refers to light, and not to caves, to valleys, or to islands.
(2) The parallelism, the construction, demands such an interpretation.
It would then be equivalent to calling on the scattered people to glorify God in the East, and in the West; in the regions of the rising sun and in the coasts of the sea; or wherever they were scattered. And the sense is,
(1) that they should be encouraged to do this by the prospect of a return;
(2) that it was their duty still to do this wherever they were; and
(3) that the worship of the true God would be in fact continued and celebrated, though his people were scattered, and driven to distant lands.
In the isle of the sea - The coasts and islands of the Mediterranean Isaiah 24:14)
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
But a remnant escapes; and this remnant is employed by Jehovah to promote the conversion of the Gentile world and the restoration of Israel. "And I set a sign upon them, and send away those that have escaped from them to the Gentiles to Tarshiish, Phl, and Ld, to the stretchers of the bow, Tbal and Javan - the distant islands that have not heard my fame and have not seen my glory, and they will proclaim my glory among the Gentiles. And they will bring your brethren out of all heathen nations, a sacrifice for Jehovah, upon horses and upon chariots, and upon litters and upon mules and upon dromedaries, to my holy mountain, to Jerusalem, saith Jehovah, as the children of Israel bring the meat-offering in a clear vessel to the house of Jehovah." The majority of commentators understand vesamtı̄ bâhem 'ōth (and I set a sign upon them) as signifying, according to Exodus 10:2, that Jehovah will perform such a miraculous sign upon the assembled nations as He formerly performed upon Egypt (Hofmann), and one which will outweigh the ten Egyptian 'ōthōth and complete the destruction commenced by them. Hitzig supposes the 'ōth to refer directly to the horrible wonder connected with the battle, in which Jehovah fights against them with fire and sword (compare the parallels so far as the substance is concerned in Joel 3:14-16, Zephaniah 3:8, Ezekiel 38:18., Zechariah 14:12.). But since, according to the foregoing threat, the expression "they shall see my glory" signifies that they will be brought to experience the judicial revelation of the glory of Jehovah, if vesamtı̄ bâhem 'ōth (and I set a sign upon them) were to be understood in this judicial sense, it would be more appropriate for it to precede than to follow. Moreover, this vesamtı̄ bâhem 'ōth would be a very colourless description of what takes place in connection with the assembled army of nations. It is like a frame without a picture; and consequently Ewald and Umbreit are right in maintaining that what follows directly after is to be taken as the picture for this framework. The 'ōth (or sign) consists in the unexpected and, with this universal slaughter, the surprising fact, that a remnant is still spared, and survives this judicial revelation of glory. This marvellous rescue of individuals out of the mass is made subservient in the midst of judgment to the divine plan of salvation. those who have escaped are to bring to the far distant heathen world the tidings of Jehovah, the God who has been manifested in judgment and grace, tidings founded upon their own experience. It is evident from this, that notwithstanding the expression "all nations and tongues," the nations that crowd together against Jerusalem and are overthrown in the attempt, are not to be understood as embracing all nations without exception, since the prophet is able to mention the names of many nations which were beyond the circle of these great events, and had been hitherto quite unaffected by the positive historical revelation, which was concentrated in Israel. By Tarshish Knobel understand the nation of the Tyrsenes, Tuscans, or Etruscans; but there is far greater propriety in looking for Tarshish, as the opposite point to 'Ophir, in the extreme west, where the name of the Spanish colony Tartessus resembles it in sound. In the middle ages Tunis was combined with this. Instead of ולוּד פּוּל we should probably read with the lxx ולוּד פּוּט, as in Ezekiel 27:10; Ezekiel 30:5. Stier decides in favour of this, whilst Hitzig and Ewald regard פול as another form of פוט. The epithet קשׁת משׁכי (drawers of the bow) is admirably adapted to the inhabitants of Pūt, since this people of the early Egyptian Phet (Phaiat) is represented ideographically upon the monuments by nine bows. According to Josephus, Ant. i. 6, 2, a river of Mauritania was called Phout, and the adjoining country Phoute; and this is confirmed by other testimonies. As Lud is by no means to be understood as referring to the Lydians of Asia Minor here, if only because they could not well be included among the nations of the farthest historico-geographical horizon in a book which traces prophetically the victorious career of Cyrus, but signifies rather the undoubtedly African tribe, the לוד which Ezekiel mentions in Isaiah 30:5 among the nations under Egyptian rule, and in Isaiah 27:10 among the auxiliaries of the Tyrians, and which Jeremiah notices in Jeremiah 46:9 along with Put as armed with bows; Put and Lud form a fitting pair in this relation also, whereas Pul is never met with again. The Targum renders it by פּוּלאי, i.e., (according to Bochart) inhabitants of Φιλαί, a Nile island of Upper Egypt, which Strabo (xvii. 1, 49) calls "a common abode of Ethiopians and Egyptians" (see Parthey's work, De Philis insula); and this is at any rate better than Knobel's supposition, that either Apulia (which was certainly called Pul by the Jews of the middle ages) or Lower Italy is intended here. Tubal stands for the Tibarenes on the south-east coast of the Black Sea, the neighbours of the Moschi (משׁך), with whom they are frequently associated by Ezekiel (Ezekiel 27:13; Ezekiel 38:2-3; Ezekiel 39:1); according to Josephus (Ant. i. 6, 1), the (Caucasian) Iberians. Javan is a name given to the Greeks, from the aboriginal tribe of the Bawones. The eye is now directed towards the west: the "isles afar off" are the islands standing out of the great western sea (the Mediterranean), and the coastlands that project into it. To all these nations, which have hitherto known nothing of the God of revelation, either through the hearing of the word or through their own experience, Jehovah sends those who have escaped; and they make known His glory there, that glory the judicial manifestation of which they have just seen for themselves.
The prophet is speaking here of the ultimate completion of the conversion of the Gentiles; for elsewhere this appeared to him as the work of the Servant of Jehovah, for which Cyrus the oppressor of the nations prepared the soil. His standpoint here resembles that of the apostle in Romans 11:25, who describes the conversion of the heathen world and the rescue of all Israel as facts belonging to the future; although at the time when he wrote this, the evangelization of the heathen foretold by our prophet in Isaiah 42:1. was already progressing most rapidly. A direct judicial act of God Himself will ultimately determine the entrance of the Pleroma of the Gentiles into the kingdom of God, and this entrance of the fulness of the Gentiles will then lead to the recovery of the diaspora of Israel, since the heathen, when won by the testimony borne to Jehovah by those who have been saved, "bring your brethren out of all nations." On the means employed to carry this into effect, including kirkârōth, a species of camels (female camels), which derives its name from its rapid swaying motion, see the Lexicons.
(Note: The lxx render it σκιαδίων, i.e., probably palanquins. Jerome observes on this, quae nos dormitoria interpretari possumus vel basternas. (On this word, with which the name of the Bastarnians as ̔Αμαξόβιοι is connected, see Hahnel's Bedeutung der Bastarner fr das german. Alterthum, 1865, p. 34.))
The words are addressed, as in Isaiah 66:5, to the exiles of Babylonia. The prophet presupposes that his countrymen are dispersed among all nations to the farthest extremity of the geographical horizon. In fact, the commerce of the Israelites, which had extended as far as India and Spain ever since the time of Solomon, the sale of Jewish prisoners as slaves to Phoenicians, Edomites, and Greeks in the time of king Joram (Obadiah 1:20; Joel 3:6; Amos 1:6), the Assyrian captivities, the free emigrations - for example, of those who stayed behind in the land after the destruction of Jerusalem and then went down to Egypt - had already scattered the Israelites over the whole of the known world (see at Isaiah 49:12). Umbreit is of opinion that the prophet calls all the nations who had turned to Jehovah "brethren of Israel," and represents them as marching in the most motley grouping to the holy city. In that case those who were brought upon horses, chariots, etc., would be proselytes; but who would bring them? This explanation is opposed not only to numerous parallels in Isaiah, such as Isaiah 60:4, but also to the abridgment of the passage in Zephaniah 3:10 : "From the other side of the rivers of Ethiopia (taken from Isaiah 18:1-7) will they offer my worshippers, the daughters of my dispersed ones, to me for a holy offering." It is the diaspora of Israel to which the significant name "my worshippers, the daughters of my dispersed ones," is there applied. The figure hinted at in minchâtı̄ (my holy offering) is given more elaborately here in the book of Isaiah, viz., "as the children of Israel are accustomed (fut. as in Isaiah 6:2) to offer the meat-offering" (i.e., that which was to be placed upon the altar as such, viz., wheaten flour, incense, oil, the grains of the first-fruits of wheat, etc.) "in a pure vessel to the house of Jehovah," not in the house of Jehovah, for the point of comparison is not the presentation in the temple, but the bringing to the temple. The minchah is the diaspora of Israel, and the heathen who have become vessels of honour correspond to the clean vessels.