Remember the last time how this Friend of ours got debunk of his own foolishness. He'll never learned and yet he comes up to another idea on his own that proved his foolishness. I pity this minister so much that sometimes I feel how hopeless and miserable his life just to make a good accusation, and yet it ended up how immatured his thinking and so childish.
Oh well, let's dive in to another stupid post to our dearest friend, hope he enjoy this post for him.
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| Okay, so where did you get that idea? |
The Word "Pagamin" in English means something he admitted. So, Joseph Smith Jr admitted using the verse from the Book of Mormon, that he build up a church of the Devil or should we use the word, the Devil own or built it.
Seriously Job Bautista, where in the world did you got that idea? What comes up in your mind using that kind of stupid logic?
Okay, so let's clear this up and we'll try to go back to our scripture and learn from it. We'll try to look at the very verse and background of that verse and some other verses that he used.
Church that was Built?
On that chapter which is 1 Nephi 13 it was all about the interpretation of Lehi's dream (ch 8) in which the angel appeared to Nephi to minister to him and to reveal the things his father saw in a dream. Let's start from the verses that made his statement and I'll put some ensight for our friend Job Bautista so he may learn how to study the scripture rather pickup things for his own exhibits. The colored text are my comments some highlights could be a quotes. The verses below -
4 And it came to pass that I saw among the nations of the Gentiles the formation of a great church.
There's no specific place or specific organizations that was built. So far, the only record we know that it was form among the nations of the gentiles. I will not make or claim which organization it is, the writer is not specific about the standards of their teachings, also just as the last time that I share about the Church definition was all about an organized body of believers. For me it could be anything or it could be a non-Christian believers (as my opinion goes). Okay so back to the topic. Sounds familiar to you Job Bautista? Who could it be?
5 And the angel said unto me: Behold the formation of a church which is most abominable above all other churches, which slayeth the saints of God, yea, and tortureth them and bindeth them down, and yoketh them with a yoke of iron, and bringeth them down into captivity.
6 And it came to pass that I beheld this great and abominable church; and I saw the devil that he was the founder of it.
Here are some of the common activity of the said organization, if we are about to dig the history of Christian Era, there were some of the said persecutions happened during those early days even outside Jewish nations since the preaching of the gospel after christ ascended to heaven was in force in Gentile nation. Most of the Persecution are torturing. But let's clarify this thing first, it was a vision, the real or actual thing will happen, will be beyond those days. So, the vision Nephi saw was all about the Persecution of the saints. Persecution could be physical or maybe something like accusation just as our brother Job Bautista here who shows a perfect example of it, and fulfill the prophecy.
7 And I also saw gold, and silver, and silks, and scarlets, and fine-twined linen, and all manner of precious clothing; and I saw many harlots.
8 And the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold the gold, and the silver, and the silks, and the scarlets, and the fine-twined linen, and the precious clothing, and the harlots, are the desires of this great and abominable church.
Sounds familiar to you Job Bautista? How many ministers like you who owns luxurious vehicles and signatured bags and dresses from the tithes of your people? Do you think serving the kingdom of God was all about money? How many house of some retired ministers were built for them to rest from their labors in the INC kingdom? You better know that Job Bautista its your church.
9 And also for the praise of the world do they destroy the saints of God, and bring them down into captivity.
Was it familiar to you my friend Job Bautista? For the praise or the world? Pasugo was created to defame other religious organizations and brag about the achievements, the buying of old religious structure and claim the overthrown by INC organizations. The INC media with some conversion reinactment to make a claim that your church is better than the others. Don't make me laugh about it. I'm am not against any religious teachings and I'll do respect their rights of belief, but for defaming? How many people have you fooled?
Again, it is not about the church who Joseph Smith belongs but rather an organization that will happen ahead of their time. You just simply mislead yourself. And Joseph never made a church on his own. You must understand that he receive relevation unlike the last messenger of yours who claimed to be in the last days. Sorry Job Bautista I do think you need a life. You're a minister hiding in a fake account why can't you just simply minister to us the goodness of God through your preaching rather trying to temp someone's belief. Then you're facing in a wrong person. Try a little harder next time.
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| Have you seen how poor your Logic is? Simply because you love cherry-picking. |
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| You did it on purpose? Sad to say, you're fooled by your own logic. It is what you are now. Let me suggest to call your psychiatrist ASAP. |
The Church that Christ built.
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Using that verse won't guaranty you to be the only church that was built by Christ as Peter received it's directions. It will be hard to know which is which if you don't know how it was built. It will be an interesting topic so I'll make a separate post about it.
To answer to our dearest friend here who seems so lost in biblical teaching. It was Christ who built his Church and it doesn't teach us church name as I mentioned to you every time in our discussions. Church name is never the issue but rather a church organization and I found a lot of lacking structures in your organizations, one of those was revelations and authority.
Felix Manalo never claim he receive authority from God to build his church, he never claim he receive revelations or visions, or Angelic Visitations. Never in his time. If you want to compare someones religions and call someone as cult, be sure you have all the details of your religion.
Quoting verse that everyone can quote will never lead me or us to the truth. It won't work. How many religious group use it, new religion will arise and will still quote it on and on. The catholic church quoted it and the gates of hell never prevail against it. So, what gives?
As I said earlier it the organization structure. You may present that to me anytime and let's deal on it if you want. So, don't make a senseless claim that everyone can do. You're just making yourself a fool.
And in response to some of the verses you use. I just don't know why you quote it. Maybe it's related to the topic. But anyway, I'm reposting it in King James Version. I don't make an attempt on making a long comments about it since you haven't tried to explain it in your post.
And in response to some of the verses you use. I just don't know why you quote it. Maybe it's related to the topic. But anyway, I'm reposting it in King James Version. I don't make an attempt on making a long comments about it since you haven't tried to explain it in your post.
John 10
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
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9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Basically, we believe that only in and through Christ we all be saved by his grace after all we can do. So, yes he is the savior and our Redeemer. The Son of God, and the God of Salvation.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
The other sheep that Christ declares were those believers who once belong to Israel and parted their way to a different nation. Though Christ did have any opportunity to minister to them during his mortal ministry. He promise to bring them back to his fold. He fulfilled that promise by visiting them after his resurrection, tarry with them and taught them about the Kingdom of God. More information about this topic will be posted in separate post.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
It was Christ blood the Son of God who atone for everyone sin, and that everyone has the access back to our Father in Heaven through the guidance of the Holy Ghost, and if we follow Christ through the gospel in his Church that he built with proper authority and organization.
