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Part 10 - Job Bautista's Concern: Christ is a Powerful God?
Once again, our friend Job Bautista had started his attack and addressed me with a topic that had already been addressed the Last time.
Let's see how he'll handle the response about it. Let's go dive in -
2. Glory - (John 17:5)
And the rest of the scriptural verses you gave makes no sense at all -
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Here's the Text below and my response and commentary -
Ang Book of Mormon ay isang aklat na nagtuturo ng kasinungalingan. Ano ang patutunayan nila @Jerry Nuñez Bustillo @Arman Azeinap? Ang nakasulat sa Mosias 5:15 na ayon sa nakasulat dito si Panginoong Jesus daw ang isang Diyos na makapangyarihan? Ang first topic na aming tinalakay ay hindi ito kinibo ng tagapangtanggol ni Joseph Smith ay mahahayag ang pagka anti-Cristo kanilang aral.
I had responded to his criticism about the divinity of Christ and his existence. I gave him the link to some INC trolls who opened up this address. I'll provide the links in the note section at a later end.
Anyway, what's with that Mosiah 5:15 all about?
Mosiah 5:15 Therefore, I would that ye should be steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works, that Christ, the Lord God Omnipotent, may seal you his, that you may be brought to heaven, that ye may have everlasting salvation and eternal life, through the wisdom, and power, and justice, and mercy of him who created all things, in heaven and in earth, who is God above all. Amen.
And what was the contradiction here? Let's find out what the scripture said about Christ. Let's try to see Some Biblical Passages about this and see for ourselves if they talk about lies or was Mosiah 5:15 tells us the truth about Christ. See below -
Revelation1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Now Tell me, Brother Job Bautista. Who was the Lord God that has Salvation, Glory, Honour, and Power? Let's try to make it simple this time and try to link some of it in Biblical Sense.
1. Salvation - (Act 4:10-12)10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Notice the Underlined word Job Bautista and try to ask this question for yourself -
- How could Christ obtain glory with the Father before the world was created if Christ does exist with the Father?
- How would Christ demand such a great authority to God while he was just a man?
3. Honour - (John 5:22-23)(Note: Just to clear out on the subject, the Father also has glory as Christ. I am not saying only Christ has it, I only address the issue that Christ also holds the same title of Godhood as the Father, but not Greater than the Father himself, the very reason why he was called the Son)
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
4. Power - (Mathew 24:30)
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Now we have established that Christ is not just an ordinary Human or Man but rather an extraordinary Son of God, who has the same Title and Glory as God does. This basically shows us that what you're quoting "Mosiah 5:15" simply aligns with the teachings of the bible and is not just a lousy misunderstood doctrine of unitarianism. Now let's proceed with your criticism and see how it ends up Job Bautista.
Jerry, Arman batay sa Biblia si Panginoong Jesus ba ay Makapangyarihan Diyos? ayon sa Biblia; Marcos 6:5, Juan 5:19, Juan 2:3-4, Mateo 24:36, Marcos, 11:13, Juan 11:36, Marcos 5:30, Mateo 15:34, Mateo 9:21
Now, look at this collection of scriptures. He made his stand using this series of collections, but what was it all about? Let's find out -
First, what was the context all about? So far, he hasn't attempted to explain what's on it. But he made it simply as his stand thinking it would dismiss the case. Will, okay I'll go ahead and check each verse you gave.
Mark 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
Okay, so the first verse says that Christ laid his hand to heal some sick folks. I don't know how it makes sense, I think he quoted the wrong scripture. But it's okay, let's try to swap some numbers thinking he just missed the right passage.
Mark 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Here I Attempted to swap the numbers to see if this is what he meant. But somehow, this makes sense. Christ was worshipped by an unclean spirit who knew him as the Son of God (see verse 7). So, how was your first attempt at your criticism, Job Bautista? You Fail!
John 5:19 - (See my Commentary and questions below to understand Christ words.)
Now here's your next attempt. Let's figure out the nature of Christ in this verse and see how your understanding of him and the manifestation of God to man fail. (see below)
In this chapter, Christ told the people about God His Father, and His nature. But to understand it, we need to read the succeeding verses to know their difference if they have and what Christ's messages to the Jews are all about. See below -
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Now, notice the phrases in bold and underlined. I will elaborate on it as quickly as I can to minimize too many words in this article.
v19-20 - (Seeth the Father do) So tell me Job Bautista and according to your doctrine that Christ was just simply a mere human and that no man hath ever seen God. So tell me, if Christ was just a human, then how come he saw the Father and did the things that he did? How could the Father show him everything that Christ needed to do that He (the Father) had already done?
v21 - How come Christ could quicken (or bring back to life and resurrection) all that he wanted if he's just a man?
v22 - God is our judge as the scripture plainly says (Psalm 50:6, 68:5, 75:7, Ecclesiastes 3:17). Why would God make these confusing changes appointing Christ as the Judge? (Acts 10:42). Does this mean that God can't keep up his words and is changeable God?
v23 - Why would we care to honour Christ as a mere human? Does dishonouring Christ lead to dishonouring the Father? Why was that Job Bautista? I don't know if you have noticed, but God truly loves His son, and He is willing to give everything to Christ even his dominion (Psalm 8:5-6). Does it sound unfair to some mere humans out there who are treated by God as mere creatures? was this part of your unitarian Doctrine?
v26-27 - This is self-explanatory, but I would like to point out the authority Christ received from the Father who holds the same authority.
v30 - Now see Christ here as a humble son of God, You can see that they are distinct persons. both were different in person and perhaps personalities, And both had an equal or united plan to save every man who transgressed the Laws and commandments. See how it was said, Job Bautista?
Another scripture reference that he tries to point out is Matthew 24:36 which says this -
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
This is not a big deal actually in authority and power. Of course, the Father still hold a greater position than his Son and it's not a concern as to the father-son relationship. The only thing that bothers us here is "Who was he that will come again?" Was it the Father or the Son? According to the said scripture, of course, it was the Son, and I believe Job Bautista agreed on it. Now let's try to see some scriptural passage about the coming of the Son of God and see if it fits.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Now, I know what you're thinking. You may conclude that it is not about Jesus as God thing, it was the God and his son Jesus Christ that will come again. Okay, then pay attention to what Christ has just said in Matthew 24:26, was it the Father who will come again or the Son, or perhaps two of them will come again the second time? But the scripture clearly says that it was just Christ will come again the second time. Then tell me Job Bautista, what was Paul's message to Titus all about? God will not appear to man with Christ but rather Christ will offer up this world to his Father on the Last day (1 Corinthians 15:23-27). Which means and according to your understanding, that Paul is wrong in addressing Christ as God? Well Me? who cares? They're both God anyway.
Now let's go back to the topic with a quick response. It was still the Father who held the plan of redemption for all humans, of course, he knows what to do, and Christ has a different role as a Son. Get it? Could this nullify Christ's divinity and Godhood? Of course not, they do have different roles but they hold the same title as God. They, The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost were different distinct personages who held different roles but were unified in the salvation of man.
Let's give a quick overview of the Holy Ghost and his role. In Matthew 12:31 says this -
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
The scripture says "every sin can be forgive, but if it's against the Holy Ghost, it can't be forgiven." if you're to scan every detail of Christ's Ministry, you may come up to know Christ who easily forgives someone who has the desire to forgive, even in the Cross he proclaim his words to his Father to forgive his accusers. Christ's clear instruction was to forgive all men and God will forgive your sins as a result. Then why not the Holy Ghost? What was something about him that differed from the Father and the Son? The clear answer is, that they have a different role, distinct but have one mission for salvation. And so, to answer your question again you never realized. Because they are different in nature, distinct persons have different roles in one work of salvation. Does it make sense, Job Bautista? It does.
And the rest of the scriptural verses you gave makes no sense at all -
John 2:3-4
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Mark 11:13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
John 11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
Mark 5:30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?
Matthew 15:34 And Jesus saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven, and a few little fishes.
Matthew 9:21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.
I just don't know what kind of message you want me to realise using these verses. It seems like you don't know your scripture much, or you just simply trolling around making a bad name to INC people. If you want me to know more about it, feel free to contact me anytime. The scripture you gave doesn't make any sense. Thank you and let's proceed to the next verse you want us to realize.
But anyway, I do understand that you simply misplace it, but perhaps you should think first before criticizing someone's faith. Or more closely have a life doing your vlog. 😂. We can talk sometime if you want to.
If you need to reconstruct the verse, I will do it in the next blog post. So far that is all you got.
And for the last part -
Ang assignment ng mga alagad ni Joseph Smith ay maraming talata sa Biblia na ka kontra sa book of Mormon ang teachings ay totong huwad na aral.
Say what? I haven't even seen one that you quote as a contradiction. You quoted Mosiah 5:15 which simply aligns with the scripture as I had explained, so it's not contradictions, rather it's misunderstood ideology of your arrogant criticisms.
Kailan kayo mamumulat kung huli na ang lahat?
Not even convincing Job Bautista. You can't even define your religious teachings. We can do this over and over and see how slow you are thinking you made the right move. You simply troll around on your religion and put it to shame using your arrogance. What a disgraceful INC member. If I'm an INC member knowing what you did in your religion. I will hunt You down. JK😂. Kidding aside, you made a bad impression on the way you think as a Christian.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Note:1. Was Christ Jehovah?
2. An INC troll that Can't Keep up the Greek Usage.
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