Plurality of Gods: Jose Magadia

While Jose Magadia's Unitarian Understanding of God, he compile some of his Magnum Opus to debunked LDS theology of plurality of God or possibly he meant Polytheism. He thinks LDS sustains the idea of polytheistic. Maybe or maybe something needs to be Settles.

Jerry Nuñez Bustillo

As you wish... Here's one...

Let's compare what LDS teaches with what The Almighty God of the Bible teaches, shall we?

Now, here's the Challenge goes. Let take some of it below - 

LDS says:

“I wish to declare I have always an in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods.” - Prophet Joseph Smith, History of the Church, v. 6, p. 306

“In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it.”

- Prophet Joseph Smith, History of the Church, v. 6, pp. 307, 308

Jose Magadia quoted actually of the same source which actually the same addressed during the King Follett Discourses. So does Joseph Smith's address was all about Polytheism? Did Joseph Smith taught about worshiping Gods which is of different beings? Or does he meant there is one who stands greater among the rest of them? Go ahead and read back how it was being said.

Anyways, let's try to check out how Joseph Smith's conclusion regarding his discourses if it was all about Polytheism.

In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. When we begin to learn this way, we begin to learn the only true God, and what kind of a being we have got to worship. Having a knowledge of God, we begin to know how to approach him, and how to ask so as to receive an answer. When we understand the character of God, and how to come to him, he begins to unfold the heavens to us, and to tell us all about it. When we are ready to come to him, he is ready to come to us. - Joseph Smith (THE KING FOLLETT DISCOURSE)

How did you understand that Jose Magadia? Did it said about worshiping the other gods? It doesn't sound anything like it. Moving on -

“If we should take a million of worlds like this and number their particles, we should find that there are more Gods than there are particles of matter in those worlds.” - Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 345, February 18, 1855

The TRUE God of the Bible says:

"..before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." - Isaiah 43:10

By just reading only the best part of your doctrine, you will missed a lot of puzzles that could enlightened your understanding about the context of the scripture and to who this was all about. Take note that this was Isaiah Messianic declaration where the Lord was speaking through Isaiah for the people and nations who never knew him. But this was not just about it. This also address the teachings of Christ and his Nature. The rest of the verse below will help you understand the rest of the context about it, see the highlighted words (Isaiah 43:10-13) -

10. Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

12. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

13. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

Does it sounds familiar to you Jose Magadia? It was the Old Testaments God who declared there was no other saviour besides him. So what was Christ doing if God himself was the only saviour that everyone knows? What's the use of having a new saviour?

The other phrase like in verse 13 said about Christ Origin and Nature. Let's take a look some of it during Christ Ministry -

56. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

This declaration highlights Jesus' pre-mortal existence and His divine identity. It echoes the name of God revealed to Moses in the Old Testament (Exodus 3:14), where God identified Himself as "I AM," signifying eternal presence and existence. Same addressed that was used by Isaiah in Isaiah 43:13 were you left to quote Jose Magadia. By using this phrase, Jesus was not only affirming His pre-existence before Abraham but was also making a clear claim to divinity, which was understood by His audience, as evidenced by their reaction in the subsequent verses.

In Latter-day Saint theology, the belief in the pre-mortal existence of all humanity, along with Christ's distinct and divine role as the Creator and our Savior, provides further depth to our understanding of these words. It underscores the teaching that Jesus Christ is Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Great I AM, who condescended to come to earth to fulfill the plan of salvation.

That same declaration was one of the reason why the people wanted to Crucify Jesus Christ, that declaration itself was the proof of his magistrate.

"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the FIRST, and I am the LAST; AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD. ...Is there a God beside me? yea, THERE IS NO GOD; I KNOW NOT ANY." - Isaiah 44:6, 8

It's the same Messianic Declaration of Isaiah and some Familiar references that says about Christ in the New Testament. Now let's try to see some Biblical Parallel of Isaiah's words and what was this all about.

• Lord the King of Israel

Zechariah 9:9c- This Old Testament prophecy foretells the coming of Zion's King, “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey…” This is directly fulfilled in the New Testament when Jesus enters Jerusalem in this manner (see Matthew 21:4-5).

Isaiah 9:6-7 - This passage is a prophecy about the coming Messiah, stating, “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” This passage explicitly speaks to the divine nature of the Messiah and his eternal rule, attributes that Christians attribute to Jesus Christ.

Psalm 110:1-2 - "The LORD says to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.'" This is acknowledged in the New Testament as referring to Christ, particularly in Matthew 22:44, where Jesus Himself uses this Psalm to explain His divine authority and messianic identity.

Matthew 27:11 and John 18:37 – In the New Testament, Jesus is directly asked if He is the king of the Jews, and He affirms it, though His kingdom is not of this world. His kingship is acknowledged even in the inscription on the cross, "King of the Jews," meant to be mocking but instead testifying to His true identity.

Revelation 19:16 – In the revelation given to John, Jesus is described in His glorified state, with “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” inscribed on His robe and thigh, affirming His supreme authority over all kings and nations, including Israel.

Matthew 2:1-2 - After His birth, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem asking, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews?” This acknowledges Jesus' royal status from His birth, fulfilling Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah's lineage and kingship.

• The redeemer -

Old Testament Prophecies:

Isaiah 53:4-5: This chapter is a beautiful foreshadowing of Christ's atoning sacrifice. Verse 5 specifically says, "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." This is a clear prophecy about Jesus Christ taking upon Himself the sins of the world, thus acting as our Redeemer.

Job 19:25: Job expresses his testimony of a Redeemer, saying, "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth." This is a profound declaration of faith in Jesus Christ, who is the Redeemer of all mankind.

New Testament Affirmations:

Galatians 3:13: Paul explains, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree." This shows that through His sacrifice, Jesus fulfilled the law and redeemed us from its curse.

1 Peter 1:18-19: Peter testifies of the Redeemer, saying, "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot." This emphasizes that our redemption is made possible not by earthly means but by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Titus 2:13-14: Paul calls Jesus "our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ" who "gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." This is a direct declaration of Jesus Christ's role as our Redeemer.

Revelation 5:9-10: Here, Christ is praised as the Redeemer in a heavenly scene: "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." This heavenly acknowledgment of Christ's role as Redeemer highlights the universal scope of His atonement.

To sum it up, let's take a look at LDS theology about the Nature of God. Are LDS polytheistic? No, or perhaps it has a different understanding on how you take the scriptural evidence about the Nature of God, but we do believe that all of us has the potential to become like our parent or our Heavenly Father. We do believe in just one True God that we honor and worship as the scripture says, and we also believe that we are the same being as they are.

Now Jer, pls support your doctrine of plurality of gods based on the holy scriptures...

Done already, thank you for reminding and be enlightened.

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