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There's no such thing as?: Conversation with Ronnie Pacaro
Say "Thank you and Goodbye" to someone to let them know you're keeping up if you can't hold on to a good conversation. - Jerry N. Bustillo
Someone kept trolling a friend's post so I stopped by and asked a few questions if he has credibility for a discussion. But it turns out it is all but just childish talks.
Responding Ruru Valencia in his criticism of Joseph Smith as a Prophet of God. - Part 1
Alright another long post from an INC antagonist who tries to make something just out of their selected collection. And it seems has a long post to make a good comment on this one. I don't know if this will leads to a part two. Let's see what we can get -
PAGSUSURI SA ARAL NG MORMONS
JOSEPH SMITH TUNAY BANG SUGO NG DIYOS?
The question goes as if it tries to test something out of some documents about Joseph Smith Jr was a true prophet of God. I actually answered some of the same questions before and compare it to their called Sugo as how it had authority and how to know he was called of God. Fare question actually, but it would be better to make a comparison of the two. Let's see how it will end.
Sa panahon natin ngayon na laganap ang napakaraming relihiyon at napakaraming mangangaral na nagpapakilalang sila ang tunay at may karapatan sa pangangaral. Ang ating Panginoong Diyos ay hindi nagkulang ng pagbibigay sa atin ng gabay kung papaano makikilala ang tunay na mangangaral at ang tunay na relihiyon at ito’y sinalita ng Diyos at ipinasulat niya sa Biblia o mga Banal na Kasulatan.
Okay, so some introductions you want to open up to help the audience about this topic. It nice to know that, but unfortunately we don't believe in a close cannon. We believe that God will continue to reveal and guide his people. There are biblical evidence that proves us that revelations is continuous. For example, Paul's teaching to the Corinthians about the heaven's he saw that there's a man caught up in heaven that he never knew what it was and what language they're saying. Could this be a mystery only Paul did receive while non of the other apostle taught about it?
1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I WILL COME TO VISIONS AND REVELATIONS OF THE LORD.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) SUCH AN ONE CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I CANNOT TELL: GOD KNOWETH;)
Paul's Revelation is actually foreign in the teachings of prior apostle and wasn't even revealed by Christ. But he saw something out of Revelation that something needs to be unveiled by someone who has the same revelations and prophecy. So, who has it? I don't know, but perhaps this will verify our view and understand about the nature of God. He will never cease to guide and leads his people without someone to guide them. As in Amos 3:7 says God will do nothing, but he revealed his secrets unto his servants the prophets. Which simply means, he would not do any work unless someone will represent it for him. And that's where the prophets has its role.4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Ano sinasabi ng Diyos sa mga BULAANG PROPETA o HINDI TUNAY NA SUGO ng Diyos?
HINDI KO SINUGO ANG MGA PROPETANG ITO, gayon ma'y nagsitakbo sila: AKO'Y HINDI NAGSALITA SA KANILA, GAYON MA'Y NANGHULA SILA.
Nang magkagayo'y sinabi ng Panginoon sa akin, ANG MGA PROPETA AY NANGHUHULA NG KASINUNGALINGAN SA AKING PANGALAN; HINDI KO SILA SINUGO, O INUTUSAN KO MAN SILA, O NAGSALITA MAN AKO SA KANILA: SILA'Y NANGANGHUHULA sa iyo ng sinungaling na pangitain, at ng panghuhula, at NG BAGAY NA WALA, at ng daya ng kanilang sariling puso.
Jeremias 23:26 Magandang Balita
KAILAN PA BA MAGBABAGO ANG MGA PROPETANG ITO NA NANGANGARAL NG KASINUNGALINGAN AT NAGPAPAHAYAG NG SARILI NILANG MGA KATHA?
First, thing's first. Let's try to see the contexts -
If you think this was all about the end of the prophets, better think again, Jeremiah is a prophet of that time, and during the Babelonian captivity, the people of the Lord adapted the teachings of Paganism. They were in bondage to Babelonian and some of them disregarded the teachings of the prophets, while some try to lead away people from the truth and proclaim to be a prophet of God. But actually God never calls them. See example in the chapters ahead to it, specifically in Jeremiah 28 shows an example of a false prophet Hananiah of that time who mislead people from the truth. Here's a word from Jeremiah to know about the true prophet of God -
Jeremiah 28:9 The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the Lord hath truly sent him.
Paano makikilala ang TUNAY NA SUGO ng Diyos?
Sa KAUTUSAN at sa PATOTOO! kung hindi sila magsalita ng ayon sa salitang ito, tunay na walang umaga sa kanila.
This is epic, you are now trying to adapt you INC ideology of Sugo. But you never think of the question on how to know them. This is what Christ said -
Matthew 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Christ did never said there will be no more prophets or prophets days are over. But rather a warning to beware of false prophets and to know the true prophet, it is by their fruit. Did he says something about last messenger? I don't think so, but let try your idea about it.
Ibinigay ng Diyos ang pagkakakilanlan sa TUNAY NA SUGO. Dalawa ang katangiang kailangan nilang taglayin ayon sa Diyos: sila’y nagsasalita ayon sa;
(1) KAUTUSAN
(2) PATOTOO
Ang sabi nga “KUNG HINDI SILA MAGSALITA NG AYON SA SALITANG ITO TUNAY NA WALANG UMAGA SA KANILA”. Ang UMAGA ay kasingkahulugan ng LIWANAG:
“Kung magkagayo'y SISIKAT ANG IYONG LIWANAG NA PARANG UMAGA, at ang iyong kagalingan ay biglang lilitaw; at ang iyong katuwiran ay mangunguna sa iyo; ang kaluwalhatian ng Panginoon ay magiging iyong bantay likod.”
Ibig sabihin kung hindi taglay ng isang mangangaral ang dalawang katangiang binanggit ng Diyos, ang nasa kanila ay hindi liwanag kundi kadiliman – ang mga mangangaral na ito ay hindi mga tunay na sugo ng Diyos kundi MGA BULAANG PROPETA o MGA BULAANG GURO.
I couldn't think of anything that would relate your post about knowing a prophet by just simply elaborating "Kautusan and Patotoo", not even close. Anyway, for the sake of commenting your post. God already provided you a scripture and as you claim on the first place "hindi nagkukulang and Dios sa pagbigay ng gabay" so why are we stock on it while the scripture as Christ said the only way to know the prophet AND/OR Sugo was through their fruit. And for the record there's nothing new Laws or even Commandments that has been given by your true messenger rather all of it were already written. You just can't simply claim you're a true sugo by just claiming some writings not even yours or should we say were not directed by God through your Sugo. And for the second part "Patotoo". What kind of Testimony was all about? The scripture has said in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word will be stablished. So far, none could prove Felix Manalo's divine calling while Joseph Smith has 2 separate event to testify about his calling. The Three witnesses and Eight witnesses. (To know more bout it, click on the link I provided). And for the record, during some hard times, most of the witness left the church and some did never came back, but they never deny the testimony they knew and heard and saw that Joseph Smith, the unlearned man is indeed the prophet of God.
I'll leave a youtube link from Saints Unscripted to help you with some presentations. See prior videos to know more about it - https://youtu.be/r4Omuo2S6S0
... To be Continued ...
Classic Contextual Misunderstanding of Job Bautista: Countenance of Nephi and Lehi
In this article, we can prove how slow and unlearned this INC Defender of Manalo is. He tries to crush the Book of Mormon by just simply quoting something out of his misunderstood statement and then declaring it as demonic. Was it Job Bautista?
Wow! An Opening Remarks. Good to hear that. Let's see what we got there -
So, what's the Story all about before you pick up some of your favourite Cherries, Job Bautista's? For sure he doesn't know anything he quoted.
Helaman 5
And what is exactly you're up to? I'm thinking if you really understand the context or maybe some other Cherry-picking ideology of yours this time.
Pagbubunyag sa aral ng demonyo na tinataguyod ng Lds Church : ito ang nakasulat ;
Wow! An Opening Remarks. Good to hear that. Let's see what we got there -
Helaman 5:36 At ito ay nangyari na, na siya ay lumingon, at masdan, nakita niya sa gitna ng ulap ng kadiliman ang mga mukha nina Nephi at Lehi; at masdan, labis silang kumikinang, maging tulad ng mga mukha ng anghel. At namasdan niyang nakatingin ang kanilang mga mata sa langit; at sila ay nasa ayos na sa wari’y nakikipag-usap o itinataas ang kanilang mga tinig sa kung sinong nilikha na namamasdan nila.
So, what's the Story all about before you pick up some of your favourite Cherries, Job Bautista's? For sure he doesn't know anything he quoted.
Here's the thesis Job Bautista, just to help you know the context -
Helaman 5
- Verse 20-22 Nephi and Lehi preach in the Land of Nephi, but was rejected and in prison for many days without food...
- Verses 23-28 They were encircled with fire and seen by the Lamanites and were overshadowed by clouds of Darkness.
Simply means they were surrounded by vapours of Dark not necessarily Clouds in a sky. To know about this story see the rest of the Chapter below the notes.
Ang mukha daw ni Nephi at Lehi nakita raw sa gitna ng ulap ng kadiliman ay kanilang nakita ?
And what is exactly you're up to? I'm thinking if you really understand the context or maybe some other Cherry-picking ideology of yours this time.
I don't know if you're doing this on purpose, or just want to get much attention. But unfortunately, you missed the whole point. Better luck next time.
Notes:
The Rest of the Verse -
THE BOOK OF HELAMAN CH. 5
And it came to pass that in this same year, behold, Nephi delivered up the judgment-seat to a man whose name was Cezoram.
2 For as their laws and their governments were established by the voice of the people, and they who chose evil were more numerous than they who chose good, therefore they were ripening for destruction, for the laws had become corrupted.
3 Yea, and this was not all; they were a stiffnecked people, insomuch that they could not be governed by the law nor justice, save it were to their destruction.
4 And it came to pass that Nephi had become weary because of their iniquity; and he yielded up the judgment-seat, and took it upon him to preach the word of God all the remainder of his days, and his brother Lehi also, all the remainder of his days;
5 For they remembered the words which their father Helaman spake unto them. And these are the words which he spake:
6 Behold, my sons, I desire that ye should remember to keep the commandments of God; and I would that ye should declare unto the people these words. Behold, I have given unto you the names of our first parents who came out of the land of Jerusalem; and this I have done that when you remember your names ye may remember them; and when ye remember them ye may remember their works; and when ye remember their works ye may know how that it is said, and also written, that they were good.
7 Therefore, my sons, I would that ye should do that which is good, that it may be said of you, and also written, even as it has been said and written of them.
8 And now my sons, behold I have somewhat more to desire of you, which desire is, that ye may not do these things that ye may boast, but that ye may do these things to lay up for yourselves a treasure in heaven, yea, which is eternal, and which fadeth not away; yea, that ye may have that precious gift of eternal life, which we have reason to suppose hath been given to our fathers.
9 O remember, remember, my sons, the words which king Benjamin spake unto his people; yea, remember that there is no other way nor means whereby man can be saved, only through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, who shall come; yea, remember that he cometh to redeem the world.
10 And remember also the words which Amulek spake unto Zeezrom, in the city of Ammonihah; for he said unto him that the Lord surely should come to redeem his people, but that he should not come to redeem them in their sins, but to redeem them from their sins.
11 And he hath power given unto him from the Father to redeem them from their sins because of repentance; therefore he hath sent his angels to declare the tidings of the conditions of repentance, which bringeth unto the power of the Redeemer, unto the salvation of their souls.
12 And now, my sons, remember, remember that it is upon the rock of our Redeemer, who is Christ, the Son of God, that ye must build your foundation; that when the devil shall send forth his mighty winds, yea, his shafts in the whirlwind, yea, when all his hail and his mighty storm shall beat upon you, it shall have no power over you to drag you down to the gulf of misery and endless wo, because of the rock upon which ye are built, which is a sure foundation, a foundation whereon if men build they cannot fall.
13 And it came to pass that these were the words which Helaman taught to his sons; yea, he did teach them many things which are not written, and also many things which are written.
14 And they did remember his words; and therefore they went forth, keeping the commandments of God, to teach the word of God among all the people of Nephi, beginning at the city Bountiful;
15 And from thenceforth to the city of Gid; and from the city of Gid to the city of Mulek;
16 And even from one city to another, until they had gone forth among all the people of Nephi who were in the land southward; and from thence into the land of Zarahemla, among the Lamanites.
17 And it came to pass that they did preach with great power, insomuch that they did confound many of those dissenters who had gone over from the Nephites, insomuch that they came forth and did confess their sins and were baptized unto repentance, and immediately returned to the Nephites to endeavor to repair unto them the wrongs which they had done.
18 And it came to pass that Nephi and Lehi did preach unto the Lamanites with such great power and authority, for they had power and authority given unto them that they might speak, and they also had what they should speak given unto them—
19 Therefore they did speak unto the great astonishment of the Lamanites, to the convincing them, insomuch that there were eight thousand of the Lamanites who were in the land of Zarahemla and round about baptized unto repentance, and were convinced of the wickedness of the traditions of their fathers.
20 And it came to pass that Nephi and Lehi did proceed from thence to go to the land of Nephi.
21 And it came to pass that they were taken by an army of the Lamanites and cast into prison; yea, even in that same prison in which Ammon and his brethren were cast by the servants of Limhi.
22 And after they had been cast into prison many days without food, behold, they went forth into the prison to take them that they might slay them.
23 And it came to pass that Nephi and Lehi were encircled about as if by fire, even insomuch that they durst not lay their hands upon them for fear lest they should be burned. Nevertheless, Nephi and Lehi were not burned; and they were as standing in the midst of fire and were not burned.
24 And when they saw that they were encircled about with a pillar of fire, and that it burned them not, their hearts did take courage.
25 For they saw that the Lamanites durst not lay their hands upon them; neither durst they come near unto them, but stood as if they were struck dumb with amazement.
26 And it came to pass that Nephi and Lehi did stand forth and began to speak unto them, saying: Fear not, for behold, it is God that has shown unto you this marvelous thing, in the which is shown unto you that ye cannot lay your hands on us to slay us.
27 And behold, when they had said these words, the earth shook exceedingly, and the walls of the prison did shake as if they were about to tumble to the earth; but behold, they did not fall. And behold, they that were in the prison were Lamanites and Nephites who were dissenters.
28 And it came to pass that they were overshadowed with a cloud of darkness, and an awful solemn fear came upon them.
29 And it came to pass that there came a voice as if it were above the cloud of darkness, saying: Repent ye, repent ye, and seek no more to destroy my servants whom I have sent unto you to declare good tidings.
30 And it came to pass when they heard this voice, and beheld that it was not a voice of thunder, neither was it a voice of a great tumultuous noise, but behold, it was a still voice of perfect mildness, as if it had been a whisper, and it did pierce even to the very soul—
31 And notwithstanding the mildness of the voice, behold the earth shook exceedingly, and the walls of the prison trembled again, as if it were about to tumble to the earth; and behold the cloud of darkness, which had overshadowed them, did not disperse—
32 And behold the voice came again, saying: Repent ye, repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand; and seek no more to destroy my servants. And it came to pass that the earth shook again, and the walls trembled.
33 And also again the third time the voice came, and did speak unto them marvelous words which cannot be uttered by man; and the walls did tremble again, and the earth shook as if it were about to divide asunder.
34 And it came to pass that the Lamanites could not flee because of the cloud of darkness which did overshadow them; yea, and also they were immovable because of the fear which did come upon them.
35 Now there was one among them who was a Nephite by birth, who had once belonged to the church of God but had dissented from them.
36 And it came to pass that he turned him about, and behold, he saw through the cloud of darkness the faces of Nephi and Lehi; and behold, they did shine exceedingly, even as the faces of angels. And he beheld that they did lift their eyes to heaven; and they were in the attitude as if talking or lifting their voices to some being whom they beheld.
37 And it came to pass that this man did cry unto the multitude, that they might turn and look. And behold, there was power given unto them that they did turn and look; and they did behold the faces of Nephi and Lehi.
38 And they said unto the man: Behold, what do all these things mean, and who is it with whom these men do converse?
39 Now the man’s name was Aminadab. And Aminadab said unto them: They do converse with the angels of God.
40 And it came to pass that the Lamanites said unto him: What shall we do, that this cloud of darkness may be removed from overshadowing us?
41 And Aminadab said unto them: You must repent, and cry unto the voice, even until ye shall have faith in Christ, who was taught unto you by Alma, and Amulek, and Zeezrom; and when ye shall do this, the cloud of darkness shall be removed from overshadowing you.
42 And it came to pass that they all did begin to cry unto the voice of him who had shaken the earth; yea, they did cry even until the cloud of darkness was dispersed.
43 And it came to pass that when they cast their eyes about, and saw that the cloud of darkness was dispersed from overshadowing them, behold, they saw that they were encircled about, yea every soul, by a pillar of fire.
44 And Nephi and Lehi were in the midst of them; yea, they were encircled about; yea, they were as if in the midst of a flaming fire, yet it did harm them not, neither did it take hold upon the walls of the prison; and they were filled with that joy which is unspeakable and full of glory.
45 And behold, the Holy Spirit of God did come down from heaven, and did enter into their hearts, and they were filled as if with fire, and they could speak forth marvelous words.
46 And it came to pass that there came a voice unto them, yea, a pleasant voice, as if it were a whisper, saying:
47 Peace, peace be unto you, because of your faith in my Well Beloved, who was from the foundation of the world.
48 And now, when they heard this they cast up their eyes as if to behold from whence the voice came; and behold, they saw the heavens open; and angels came down out of heaven and ministered unto them.
49 And there were about three hundred souls who saw and heard these things; and they were bidden to go forth and marvel not, neither should they doubt.
50 And it came to pass that they did go forth, and did minister unto the people, declaring throughout all the regions round about all the things which they had heard and seen, insomuch that the more part of the Lamanites were convinced of them, because of the greatness of the evidences which they had received.
51 And as many as were convinced did lay down their weapons of war, and also their hatred and the tradition of their fathers.
52 And it came to pass that they did yield up unto the Nephites the lands of their possession.
Responding to Job Bautista: Copycat Story of LDS Church
Seem Job Bautista ignorantly misunderstood what the Book of Mormon quote about Isaiah's words. And here he make a commentary about it thinking it is fallacy or plagiarism of Isaiah's words or the bible itself. Never thinking how it was quoted. Lets try to see how he simply misunderstood the book of Mormon by just thinking it as a copy of Isaiah's words. -
Copy cat story of Lds church:
Mababasa natin sa aklat nila na ang Dios daw nagtanong kay Nephi kung sino ang kanyang isusugo ? Ganito ang kuwento sa huwad na aklat ;
2 Nephi 16:9 At sinabi niya: Humayo at sabihin sa mga taong ito—Inyo ngang naririnig, subalit hindi ninyo nauunawaan; at inyo ngang nakikita, subalit hindi ninyo namamalas.
10 Patigasin mo ang mga puso ng mga taong ito, at takpan mo ang kanilang mga tainga, at ipinid ang kanilang mga mata—na baka makita ng kanilang mga mata, at marinig ng kanilang mga tainga, at makaunawa sa kanilang mga puso, at magbalik-loob at magsigaling.
Okay, so you think it is wrong to quote a scripture or a word of a prophet? Below is the example of a quote from Old Testament -
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
So, tell me where do you think this scripture from? Christ read this words from Isaiah 61:1-2, then what are you gonna do about that? Did the writer plagiarized Isaiah's words just because Christ quoted it?
There are other reference of quoting the words from other books in the bible and I will add some of it here after my Commentary.
Natitiyak natin na ang pangyayari na ito ay kinopya ni Joseph Smith sa katauhan ni Nephi , ang aklat ni Isaias na ganito ang ating mababasa;
Isaiwas 6:8 At narinig ko ang tinig ni Yahweh na nagsasabi, “Sino ang aking ipadadala? Sino ang magpapahayag para sa atin?” Sumagot ako, “Narito po ako; ako ang inyong isugo!”WR,
Isaias 6:9 At sinabi niya, “Humayo ka at sabihin mo sa mga tao: ‘Makinig man kayo nang makinig ay hindi kayo makakaunawa; tumingin man kayo nang tumingin ay hindi kayo makakakita.’
Isaias 6:10 Papurulin mo ang kanilang kaisipan, kanilang pandinig iyo ring takpan, bulagin mo sila upang hindi makakita, upang sila'y hindi makarinig, hindi makakita, at hindi makaunawa. Kundi'y baka magbalik-loob sila at sila'y pagalingin ko pa.”
To know why was the words of Isaiah were quoted in that Chapter and beyond that, and some other Chapters even on the First Book of Nephi were he explains more of the words of Isaiah to his Eldest Brothers, Laman and Lemuel (Im thinking on making a blog post about this topic.). See this part here before reading that 2 Nephi 12, Job Bautista. So you'll know why was it -
2 Nephi 11:8 And now I write some of the words of Isaiah, that whoso of my people shall see these words may lift up their hearts and rejoice for all men. Now these are the words, and ye may liken them unto you and unto all men.
And for sure, you never think of it. The reason why sometime you miss quote the scripture be because of too much cherry pick verses.
Samakatuwid, walang originality itong kuwento ang aklat ng mga Mormon isang copy cat na naman ang ating napapatunayan sa pagkakataon na ito.
Or more accurately, you dont know how to comprehend a text. Simple as it is. Which mean you need more time to Study more about the scriptural context rather the textual criticism. What a failure?
Nature of Christ: Responding Emmanuel Dela Cruz
Some random Challenge of an INC member seems to call my attention. It's not a post but a formal Written Debate between LDS and INC and in this side comments he made a challenge on some Scripture that was used against them that they always twist for no good reason. Here is the text and let's try responding to some of it.
So here, he opened up some scripture found in Hebrews 1:8 and Philippians 2:6-8. Let's try to see how it said first before we get through his comments -
Alright, so nothing suspicious, I just don't know why INC people keep twisting it. Well just see how he attempted to discredit Christ in this verse by just simply looking at some contradiction. Let's see how successful he was.
Okay, did you read the rest of that chapter and know why Christ accepted the call? Or maybe select some parts as an excuse. So far as I know, messengers as your teaching goes are angels, and in that case, Christ is lower than your messengers. Does it make sense? If you keep jumping on some verse without understanding the context obviously you'll be misguided. That's what it says in your commentary.
Say what? So, tell me, which part there do you accept? Hebrews 1:4 or Hebrews 2:7? As I have said, read the entire chapter to know the reason why Christ chose to live in Abraham's seed. There are reasons you people should know about his nature and yet you keep contradicting the scripture to satisfy your unitarian view. That won't work.
Yeah, sure let's answer that and will. I'll give my reference answer and at the same time, I'll throw some questions to make it more even -
Calling the attention of all members of Jesus christ latter day saintYung mga mahihilig gumamit ng mga maling salin sa Hebrew 1:8 at filipos 2:6-8 usap tayo. TINDIGAN NYO MGA MALING PAGKAKAUNAWA NYO.
So here, he opened up some scripture found in Hebrews 1:8 and Philippians 2:6-8. Let's try to see how it said first before we get through his comments -
Hebrews 1:8 (Nestle-Aland 28) πρὸς δὲ τὸν υἱόν·ὁ θρόνος σου ὁ θεὸς εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος, καὶ ἡ ῥάβδος τῆς εὐθύτητος ῥάβδος τῆς βασιλείας σου.(Transliteration) pros de ton huion; ho thronos sou ho theos eis ton aiōna tou aiōnos, kai hē rhabdos tēs euthytētos rhabdos tēs basileias sou.(Literal) Unto however the Son the throne of you O God [is] to the age of the age and the scepter of righteousness [is] the scepter of the kingdom of you.(KJV Paraphrase) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
And in Philippians 2:6-8 here's the text -
Philippians 2 (Nestle 1904)6 ὃς ἐν μορφῇ Θεοῦ ὑπάρχων οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα Θεῷ,7 ἀλλὰ ἑαυτὸν ἐκένωσεν μορφὴν δούλου λαβών, ἐν ὁμοιώματι ἀνθρώπων γενόμενος· καὶ σχήματι εὑρεθεὶς ὡς ἄνθρωπος8 ἐταπείνωσεν ἑαυτὸν γενόμενος ὑπήκοος μέχρι θανάτου, θανάτου δὲ σταυροῦ.
(Literal Emphasis Translation)6 Who, already existing in the form of God, did not suppose (esteem, count) it something to be seized to be equal (greek-isos, latin-aequalem, identical, equivalent) with God,7 but rather emptied Himself, having taken the form of a bond-slave, having emerged (become, been born) in the same likeness of men.8 And having been found in outer appearance as a man, He humbled Himself, having become compliant even to death, even the death of the cross.
(Peshitta Holy Bible Translated)6 He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God,7 But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man.8 And he humbled himself and was obedient unto death, even the death of being crucified.
Alright, so nothing suspicious, I just don't know why INC people keep twisting it. Well just see how he attempted to discredit Christ in this verse by just simply looking at some contradiction. Let's see how successful he was.
Alamin nga natin kung kailan sinalita ng Dios ng INC yung Hebrew 1:8: Based sa mga faborito nyong salin:Simulan nga natin noong nasa langit pa ang kaganapan sa Hebrew 1:4-10 sabi ng Dios ayun sa Hebrew 1:4Ang Anak ay ginawang higit na dakila kay sa mga anghel, tulad ng pangalan na ibinigay sa kanya ng Diyos ay higit na dakila.Noong unang nahayag sa laman ayun sa 1temoteo 3:16.
He attempted to insert 1 Timothy 3:16 which says clearly about Christ and his Nature and how he successfully fulfilled his mission. But it seems he still has something on the table. Let's move forward to see how it goes -
ano na po bang nangyari? Ganun pa rin ba? kc nga based sa faborito nyong salin hinubad na daw pagkadios ayun sa filipos 2:6-8 . haha.
(Peshitta Holy Bible Translated)6 He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God,
Christ was in the form of God, he was already there with the Father (as equal God) with the Glory he had before the world was created (John 17:5). But, did not take it in his Earthly Ministry rather (next verses) -
7 But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man.
He made himself low and took the tabernacle of man or as the seed of Abraham, and experience as a human had experience, to succor how every human suffering such as pain and death, so he can conquer it (Hebrew 2:16-18) -
8 And he humbled himself and was obedient unto death, even the death of being crucified.
And at the end of his atonement, Death is conquered and every soul is free. (1 Corinthians 15:52-58). That's the very reason why Christ took the seed of Abraham that all humans will be free from the bondage of sin and death. But the INC tries to pervert his Nature by simply trying to reason out some misunderstood biblical text.
Uulitin natin ayun sa Hebrew 1:4 ginawang higit na dakila kaysa mga anghel.Ito na po: ano na nga ba ang nangyari noong unang nahayag na sa laman ang salita (Cristo):Siya'y ginawa mong mababa ng kaunti kay sa mga anghel; Siya'y pinutungan mo ng kaluwalhatian at ng karangalan, At siya'y inilagay mo sa ibabaw ng mga gawa ng iyong mga kamay: - Heb. 2:7.Ang linaw diba! Ang sabi ginawang mong mababa ng kaunti kaysa mga Anghel..hehe
Okay, did you read the rest of that chapter and know why Christ accepted the call? Or maybe select some parts as an excuse. So far as I know, messengers as your teaching goes are angels, and in that case, Christ is lower than your messengers. Does it make sense? If you keep jumping on some verse without understanding the context obviously you'll be misguided. That's what it says in your commentary.
Nakita mo na ba comparison? O nagbubulagbulagan ka lang.😅 Kung hindi pa. Uulitin ko!Ang sabi sa Hebrew 1:4 higit na dakila kaysa sa mga Anghel. Ayun naman sa Hebrew 2:7 siya'y ginawa mong mababa ng kaunti kaysa mga anghel.case closed!
Say what? So, tell me, which part there do you accept? Hebrews 1:4 or Hebrews 2:7? As I have said, read the entire chapter to know the reason why Christ chose to live in Abraham's seed. There are reasons you people should know about his nature and yet you keep contradicting the scripture to satisfy your unitarian view. That won't work.
haha kaya malinaw talaga na sinalita ng Dios yang Hebrew 1:8- hindi pa nahahayag ang taong si Cristo sa laman. Ito pa katunayan:
Okay, so it seems like you're trying to put the subject as an unfulfilled prophecy, while Paul is trying to explain how it was fulfilled. I don't know how you people understand the scriptures but I don't think that makes sense at all. If you can elaborate on it, then explain how this became an unfulfilled prophecy.
Balikan natin ang Hebrew 1:6 At nang isusugo na ng Diyos ang kanyang panganay na Anak sa sanlibutan ay sinabi niya...haha napakaliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw: future tense uulitin ko. ang sabi sa Hebrew 1:6 at nang isusugo or sa ibang salin, at ng dinadala (present tense). wala pang past tense jan..kaya malinaw na kahit sa faborito nyong salin pag sinuri sablay talaga aral nyo kahit sa mga faborito nyong talata.hehe😅😆😊
I don't think it necessary to dispute something that is already fulfilled. Simply you keep jumping off the topic to make it more meaningful in your INC doctrine. But perhaps we can learn together about the text you want to bring up. What exactly is it? -
Hebrew 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the first-begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Did you catch it? Let's try some other version to see what it said -
Strong's Concordancepalin: back (of place), again (of time), further Original Word: πάλινPart of Speech: AdverbTransliteration: palinPhonetic Spelling: (pal'-in)Definition: back (of place), again (of time), furtherUsage: again, back, once more, further, on the other hand.παλιν (adverb) palin "pal'-in": (adverbially) anew, i.e. (of place) back, (of time) once more, or (conjunctionally) furthermore or on the other hand -- again.
Let's try to see the actual Tagalog text -
Hebrew 1:6 At muli nang dinadala niya ang panganay sa sangkalupaan ay sinasabi, At sambahin siya ng lahat ng mga anghel ng Dios.
Again, Just want to emphasize my point. It doesn't matter when it was as long as the nature of Christ remains the same. But still, you need to analyze the text though.
Moving forward, here are the questions he wants to open up. I don't know if I could understand it clearly in the Tagalog version -
Now, ito tanong ko sa inyo.
1. Noong binuhay ng Dios ng INC si Cristo at umakyat sa langit. Dios ba sya ngayon dun sa langit? Anong talata.😊
Yeah, sure let's answer that and will. I'll give my reference answer and at the same time, I'll throw some questions to make it more even -
My answer is Yes, here are my opinion -
1. Can a mere(Human) man sit on God's throne? - Hebrews 1:8, 12:2
2. Did Stephen say they have a difference in glory between Christ and God? Whom did he call to receive his spirit? - Acts 7:55-59
3. If he is still a man, what kind of Glory does he have while sitting with God? Did God share his Glory? - Isaiah 42:8, 48:11
4. Will he still die? If not, then what kind of Human doesn't die? -Additional Question
2. Sa panahon ba natin ngayon, nahayag na bang muli si Cristo?anong talata?
This could be on a different topic, but it's a good question. But anyway, let's try that. Here's my opinion below -
If you're talking about his second coming, of course not. No man knoweth when will he comes again only the Father. Don't misunderstand that line. The father is superior to him, which means He is the one who holds the plan as to when will be the second coming. But if you're talking about the restoration, in which INC also has the same doctrine of restoration, then My answer is yes, and let's get basic scriptures about it -
God will not do anything without a prophet, and of course, in your doctrine, you call it a messenger. - Amos 3:7. The only difference was, that Christ never manifested to Felix and restored His Church.
Waiting for ur answers. Thanks!✌
- Done
Responding a Random Post: Isaiah 43:10-13
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| Some Random Comments In a Christianity VS LDS Group. |
Seems this is always an issue to some mainstream Christianity. In their Christian World.
Anyway, some straight answers for a comments sake.
So, what's with Isaiah 43:10-13 all about? Here's the text below to know the context -
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
First, the Isaiah writing from Ch. 40-55 is a record of their exile from Babylon, in which, most of the Israelite were under the influence of the Babylonian government and culture and religion. In his (Isaiah's) writings, God promise deliverance to the Israel in some future times. And yet there are still people who look for a god who could save them from bandage or a god they made for to worship.
And here is a hint -
Verse 11 - who was the saviour that was appointed to be a saviour of all men.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Titus 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Responding on Job Bautista's Comments on 2 Nephi 19:5
This is totally absurd story telling from one of our INC Friend Job Bautista. So let's get to it quick to understand what he mean on his commentary.
This Comment as what I'd know was his personal interpretation which he took it out of context of the scriptures. Specifically the Book of Mormon, and let's see why-
- 2 Nephi 19:5 - According to his Comments "False Prophet false and leads people astray or out of the Gospel Message" and will -
- Build his own Church around 559 BC, that they called Christian around 72 BC. (This was actually a definition of followers of Christ or the messiah, and as the translation goes yes it was indeed the same Christian who worship and honor the same Christ, not a much about this but rather questioning why such word existed before that time. This was already translated and the words use was meant to be convenient in our time. So, obviously you don't have any clue that this was all about translation rather word for word dictation. You FAIL!)
- Migrated in America around 600 BC. Which he thinks that these people in general where Christ descendants (Does it necessary Christ Descendants under Judah?)
- While traveling in a ship in a Red Sea, they at the same time travel in wilderness. (What in the world was this all about?)
- America will be the land of Promise and that Jerusalem will be destroyed at around 600 BC. (Seems true, and obviously you need some history to dig up and understand what was this all about. I wouldn't occupy a lot of digging for this one in this article but will get to it in some other article that I possibly put in this blog, so far not a big deal.)
- So when Christ was born in Bethlehem, his descendants were not there? (Say what? I just don't know what are you up to, but this doesn't make any sense?)
- Christ was born AT Jerusalem. (This issue is all over to some Critics out there who couldn't comprehend what was this all about. I'll leave the link on this one on the notes)
- When Christ was baptized, it was in Bethabara not in Jordan. (Oh come on, this one is pure Biblical. John 1:28 in KJV said that it was all done in Bethabara will in other Translation says about Bethany, both were used describing where John and Christ went. If not the same place, possibly located both near. You FAIL again!)
- Nephi saw Christ was baptized through Crystal Ball? (I would like to know if you are serious about this or just simply want to drag people to your out of context commentary, so far I didn't see it that way, rather it was all about Angelic Visitation. Try to seriously read your scripture)
- Joseph Smith made up a version of story like the Bible/like the Bible? (Maybe? Or maybe you simple can't comprehend what's inside the Book of Mormon. Of course you are free to say whatever you want as long as you are in the context of what you read. So far you FAIL in your own understand based on the thing that you'd presented.)
So you, it's up to you to judge who this Job Bautista fail to understand a single verse from the Book, also you opened up things that doesn't even relevant to the theme that you want to discuss. It doesn't said about 2 Nephi 19:5. Thank you and have a nice day.
Responding Carmen B. Stiller: Part 2 (Christ VS God)
Now here's the another one from Carmen Stiller. She's comparing Christ former state not minding his current state sitting in God throne. Funny who she tries to defame Christ through their ideology and yet claimed to be Christian.
Jerry Nuñez Bustillo
Distinguishing God from Christ
So here she goes with her title. Let's see what we can get -
God who created all things has no beginning; He is from everlasting to everlasting.
“Before the mountains were born and before you created the earth and the world, you are God. You have always been, and you will always be.” Psalm 90:2
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Jesus Christ Came From God.
“Jesus said to them, "If God were really your Father, you would love me, because I came from God and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority; God sent me.” John 8:42
Was it really that way? When Christ says he came from God does it meant he was created BY God? Let's try to look at this passage to know more about Christ.
Colossians 11:6 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Hebrew 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
More of this topic is on this link on our conversation with Job Bautista, who didn't even answer this article straight. Check out to see the rest -
https://truth-reflects.blogspot.com/2021/09/job-bautista-christ-creator.html
Okay, so the next topic she opens up below -
God is immortal.
“To the King that rules forever, who will never die, who cannot be seen, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.” 1 Timothy 1:17
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Jesus died on the cross.
“When Jesus tasted the vinegar, he said, "It is finished." Then he bowed his head and died. But when the soldiers came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.” John 19:30, 33
Didn't you even think that Christ current situation is in immortal state? You keep looking backward not minding how Christ fulfilled and conquer death.
Anyway, let's try to look at this scripture to see how it fits -
1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
So, who's immortal now? In fact, if you read that epistle of Paul to Timothy from his first letter, chapter 1 has it already on its first few verses before you quote v17 were Christ is the subject. But you missed that spot. So here's how it says -
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Basically, if you try to understand that letter to Timothy, Christ was the subject. But of course you have your own opinion by just simply following your doctrine and not biblical. But this has disputes you even 1 Timothy 6:14-15.
Moving forward, he seem to exaggerate the topic by simply saying Christ is just a human who's subject of sickness, fainted, pain, death, etc., I don't know how this group understand Christ while in human form need to suffer as human to fulfill the mission. But let's try to see her comments first before I get my response -
The Almighty God neither grows tired nor weary.
“Surely you know. Surely you have heard. The Lord is the God who lives forever, who created all the world. He does not become tired or need to rest. No one can understand how great his wisdom is.” Isaiah 40:28
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Jesus Christ wearied or grew tired.
“Jacob's well was there. Jesus was tired from his long trip, so he sat down beside the well. It was about twelve o'clock noon.” John. 4:6
Oh, come on! Is this the best scriptures to prove Christ is merely a human and not a God?
If that's an excuse then let's try to see how God the creator rested his labor after the creation.
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Let's just skipped that part. There are reasons why Christ need to suffer as Human, subjected to pain, sickness, suffering. The atonement wouldn't be completed without a human experience.And God blessed the seventh day, aa was qand sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
God is spirit, without flesh and bones.
“God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”John. 4:24 “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have a living body as you see I have."” Luke 24:39
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Jesus Christ is a man having flesh“
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have a living body as you see I have.” Luke 24:39 “I am a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God, but you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.” John. 8:40
Seem like you're misinformed. This subject has been a forever Doctrine of INC proving Christ can't be God by just simply saying he has a human body in heaven. Such a poor ideology, but I'll make a response to this one for Carmen's sake -
First of all, understand how the text written will leads you to know the nature of God, John 4:24 is supposed to be translated as "God is Spirit" without "A" in greek manuscript. But let's skip to that first to help her out. Here's the thing, was it literal? If it was literal, then consider the rest of the phrase is literal. It says "those who worship him MUST worship in spirit and truth". So, how are you gonna worship God in spirit while you are still inside your body? Haven't you think about it?
More of this topic at this links on our conversation with Nick Gasga Reyes -
https://truth-reflects.blogspot.com/2022/01/god-is-spirit.html
And with Job Baustista -
https://truth-reflects.blogspot.com/2022/09/god-cant-bee-seen.html
Okay, so the next one is, uhm!? Just don't know what to say about it. I'm thinkin', did You really read the scriptures? I just don't get it? Why are we still in this topic while I already made my point about Christ and his nature?
Okay, So let's try this one -
God knows no other God besides himself.
“Don't be afraid! Don't worry! I have always told you what will happen.You are my witnesses. There is no other God but me. I know of no other Rock; I am the only One."” Isaiah 44:8
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Jesus Christ called upon the Father and acknowledged Him as the only true God.
“At three o'clock Jesus cried in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani." This means, "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?"” Mark 15:34
Alright, so let's try to understand the text to comprehend the scriptures.
Isaiah 44:8 in KJV that I use has a different text, and I don't know which translation she use in that comment, but let's consider that.
Notice on how It says about there's no other rock according to the translation you use. If so, then why did it change in the New Testament? Why did the apostles address him as the rock?
1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
So, you know already whose the rock they're talking to in the Old Testament?
God is above all, He is subject to no one.
“There is one God and Father of everything. He rules everything and is everywhere and is in everything.” Ephesians 4:6
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Jesus Christ, the son of God, is subject to God the Father.
“After everything has been put under the Son, then he will put himself under God, who had put all things under him. Then God will be the complete ruler over everything. But I want you to understand this: The head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God.” 1 Corinthians 15:28, 11:3
Exactly how it goes, Christ is the God of this world who was appointed by the Father to put everything under him. This alone refutes your ideology of just one God while everything is subjected to Christ. The only thing that INC missed is to understand the message of the scriptures. It was Christ whom the prophets believe who redeem his people, who Created all things, who will save his people.
In conclusion, the only thing that I can see in which Carmen B. Stiller comparing Christ to his Father as a mere human versus to a most powerful God, is absurdity. She never realized how Christ fulfil the writings of the scriptures. Deepening the knowledge or understand the contents and Context of the scriptures will leads you to know the truth. That's my encouragement to you Carmen B. Stiller and to the rest of the reader.
Responding Carmen B. Stiller: Part 1 (A God Mormon knew)
Here's an antagonist who seems to think she knows anything about LDS or Mormonism as she calls it. Let's see how her comments and finds out if she Really has something on the table. Without further adieu let's dive in. Green fonts are her comments -
"ANG DIYOS NA KINIKILALA NG MGA MORMON, KARANIWANG TINATAWAG NA, CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS!"
Okay, so here she named her post "Ang Dios Kinikilala ng mga Mormon..." Did she really knows anything about the God we worship? Let's find it out.
Sa kanilang aklat na Mormon Doctrine:
"Three separate personages --- Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. As each of these persons is a God, it is evident, from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists, To us, speaking in the process finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship. But in addition there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods."
Sa Tagalog:
"Tatlong katauhang magkakahiwalay --- Ama, Anak, at Espiritu Santo --- ang bumubuo ng pagka-Diyos. Dahil sa ang bawa't personang ito ay isang Diyos, malinaw, sa pagkaunawaang ito lamang na may umiiral na maraming Diyos. Sa ganang amin, sa abot sa ng aming pang-unawa, ang tatlong Diyos na ito ang tanging sinasamba namin. Subali't bilang karagatan, mayroong di mabilang na mga banal na personahe, na hinango mula sa mga daigdig na walang bilang, na nakasulit sa pagpapadakila at sumakatuwid ay mga diyos. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 576 - 577).
Okay, first of all Mormon Doctrine is a compiled documentary/Commentary of Bruce R. McConkie. The church never claim it a standard doctrine or official writings of Prophets and apostles. In fact, it is just like INC use Jorge Lamsa translation of Acts 20:28 then uses his documentary to support the idea of Jorge Lamsa's translation, but deny Hebrew 1:8 of the same translation. That's how INC chose the best cherry for the sake of Unitarianism.
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| From Mormon Doctrine of Bruce R. McConkie |
But anyway, to satisfy her points and since I am responding her criticisms. Yes, it is true, we believe that there were three who bare records in heaven [1 John 5:7], and biblically, Christ, the Father and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings. Let me try to elaborate that for you. Matthew 12 says this -
31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Now here's the idea, the scripture says that Christ has the power to forgive sin. So, why can't he forgive or save men from damnation if they blaspheme the Holy Ghost? Also, Christ even has the All Power in Heaven and in Earth [Matthew 28:18]. So why can't save someone who transgress against the Holy Ghost? Another one on Christ declaration of sending the Apostle to the Nation. Matthew 28 says this -
19 ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
If God is the Spirit, so what's the use of including the Holy Ghost in such declaration? Why wouldn't just say "Baptized them in the name of the Father and the Son" period(.) But rather include the Holy Ghost on the List. What's the idea actually?
Anyways, I don't have enough space to fill this entire blog. I'll be adding that subject on different article soon.
Let's move forward to see the rest of the comments -
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
MORMON BELIEVE IN THREE SEPARATE PERSONAGES EQUALS ONE GOD.
Okay, so how was that mathematical computation makes any sense? That's how people solves that math, so what gives?
Jerry Nuñez Bustillo
Niño S. Tandoy
"HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND WORSHIPING THE TRUE GOD?"
I don't know what her question all about or what is she up to. But I think this has something to do with Christ as human not God to be worship, and yet INC worship him just because God told them to do so. Seriously? What's the issue of Christ deification?
"GOD HIMSELF HAS PROCLAIMED:"
“To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.
"I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:"
Okay Isaiah 40:25, 45:5, so do you understand what you're quoting? Alright so let's get this scripture straight. Here's some additional Trivia for you -
The word "Holy one", was mentioned more than 50 times both in Old and New Testament. Aside from God, Angels and Saints, it was also referred and addressed to Christ during and even after his ministry. (See some reference below)
Using Isaiah 40:25 let's try KJV Lexicon and see how it was meant -
To whom then will ye liken - damah (daw-maw') to compare; by implication, to resemble, liken, consider -- compare, devise, (be) like(-n), mean, think, use similitudes.
me or shall I be equal - shavah (shaw-vaw') to level, i.e. equalize; figuratively, to resemble; by implication, to adjust (i.e. counterbalance, be suitable, compose, place, yield, etc.)
saith - 'amar (aw-mar') to say (used with great latitude)
the Holy One - qadowsh (kaw-doshe') sacred (ceremonially or morally); (as noun) God (by eminence), an angel, a saint, a sanctuary -- holy (One), saint.
Here the text simply says "Who should we compare God or equal in him?" Christ simply answers that during his confrontation with some Jewish Leaders who tries to corner him with blasphemy. Christ said -
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Christ is simply quoting Psalm 82:6 using the phrase "I said" (in which suppose has something to do with his existence) instead of "I have said" it refers back to the actual quote, that the Jews (or could be this time an INC member) who never understood the scriptures.
Additional from Commentaries, this is what Isaiah meant -
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
40:18-26 Whatever we esteem or love, fear or hope in, more than God, that creature we make equal with God, though we do not make images or worship them. He that is so poor, that he has scarcely a sacrifice to offer, yet will not be without a god of his own. They spared no cost upon their idols; we grudge what is spent in the service of our God. To prove the greatness of God, the prophet appeals to all ages and nations. Those who are ignorant of this, are willingly ignorant. God has the command of all creatures, and of all created things. The prophet directs us to use our reason as well as our senses; to consider who created the hosts of heaven, and to pay our homage to Him. Not one fails to fulfil his will. And let us not forget, that He spake all the promises, and engaged to perform them.
In conclusion, she added some mathematical illustration that seems not even making any sense. But let's just think it this way, if God was Called by Christ as the Father, then whose son is He? Mary son, or the Son of God? The scripture also thought us that Christ was setting in God's throne, while some INC try to bend the subject regarding Hebrews 1:8 of Christ as God to "God is your throne". If so, then how was the son of man been able to sit in God's throne?Barnes' Notes on the Bible
To whom then will ye liken me? - (See Isaiah 40:18) The prophet having thus set forth the majesty and glory of God, asks now with great emphasis, what could be an adequate and proper representation of such a God. And if God was such a Being, how great was the folly of idolatry, and how vain all their confidence in the gods which their own hands had made.
Matthew Poole's Commentary
He repeateth what he said Isaiah 40:18, that he might oblige them to the more serious and frequent consideration of the absurdity of the idolatry.
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1 x 1 x 1 = FATHER x SON x HOLY GHOST = ONE GOD ARE FALSE PREACHERS!
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| She use this illustration after her comments. I don't know how relevant is this in a discussion. |