I Am a Child of God: December 2021

The Love of God

What was God's intention
in sending Christ as a sacrifice?

Because God’s love is all-embracing, some speak of it as “unconditional,” and in their minds they may project that thought to mean that God’s blessings are “unconditional” and that salvation is “unconditional.” They are not. Some are wont to say, “The Savior loves me just as I am,” and that is certainly true. But He cannot take any of us into His kingdom just as we are, “for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence.” Our sins must first be resolved.

The Love of God
By Elder D. Todd Christofferson
Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

Thoughtful Examination of Job Bautista’s Biblical Study - Part 2

Before organizing the INC Religion
Reenactment from the Movie
Felix Manalo

A cover from their Pasugo Magazines.

From the pictures above, the first image depicts a reenactment of how Felix Manalo received the authority to perform clergy duties in his previous religions. The lineage of his authority is essentially unknown, as there are no recorded statements regarding who conferred it or what authority Felix Manalo initially had. After his excommunication for various reasons, any authority he may have received from other sects was considered invalid (it’s worth noting that this validity was questionable from the beginning—this will be addressed separately).

In the second picture, we see the process within the INC religion whereby authority is passed down from person to person, a practice established after Felix Manalo organized the church. Thus, the mystery remains: who granted Felix Manalo his original authority?

Below is a sequence of Job Bautista's plea. His reply appears to be quite biased and somewhat illogical. He attempts to support his argument with the notion that Baptism, a saving ordinance performed by John the Baptist (unrelated to Job Bautista), could never be found outside the Holy Land.

The texts in color are my comments. Let's dive in.

Jerry Nuñez Bustillo, This cult defender is asking about Baptism?

The criticisms remain unchanged, seemingly aimed at garnering support. Let's examine this more closely without resorting to name-calling or baseless accusations. Referring to someone or something as a cult without solid evidence is unproductive. It reminds me of Christ's teaching in Matthew 7:1-2: "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

So, let's strive for understanding and respectful dialogue, rather than judgment.

About 559BC . this cult people is conducting baptism in the river of Mormon. Mosiah chapter 18 . according to the story of Alma that they went to river and both of them dive and submerged themselves with Helam.

This doesn't appear to be an issue, and it seems like he is uncomfortable with the idea of performing the ordinance of Baptism. I'm not entirely sure of his intention in sharing this information. However, it has been helpful in my research. As Proverbs 27:17 states, "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend." It's encouraging to have this dialogue as we both can learn and grow from it.

Alright, let's move forward with our discussion.

No one baptized them but they’re themselves diving to the water in the river of Mormon somewhere in America . If you’d remembered that 589-600 BC they already migrated to America . According to Alma they baptized about 200 people in the river of Mormon. Mosiah 18:16

Alright, so what's the big deal? Since the discussion revolves around Baptism, it's clear that immersion in water is required. The key issue here might be about who has the authority to perform Baptisms. This could be an important topic for our discussion today with Job Bautista and his INC Doctrine.

Indeed, no one can receive Baptism unless performed by someone who has received the necessary revelation and authority. As John 3:5 says, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." It's good that you brought this up; it gives us much to discuss.

And Mosiah according to him those are baptized in that dat was added to the Church of God or Church of Christ. Mosiah 18:17 . If you could notice that the name of Lds cult is not mentioned . Take note that this happened to America in the river of Mormon .

While the name "LDS" might not seem like a significant matter, it's essential to note that it isn't the full and correct name of the Church, which is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (see Doctrine and Covenants 115:4). Some individuals still mistakenly believe that the Church was organized during the Book of Mormon period, and they focus on issues related to the Church's name, thinking it is crucial for salvation. However, it's important to consider not just the name but the teachings, proper authority, and revelations given to the Church, as emphasized in Ephesians 4:11-14, where the importance of apostles, prophets, and proper teaching is highlighted.

On the other hand, John the Baptist conducting baptism for the forgiveness of sins . Jesus also was baptized by John the Baptist in the river of Jordan . Mark 1:9 approximately about 33 AD .

While there might not seem much to discuss, one important aspect stands out: Baptism. Baptism is for the remission of sins (see Acts 2:38), and it signifies our commitment to follow Christ. Though it is often seen as identical across different denominations, it is essential to remember that repentance is a necessary part of this sacred ordinance (see 2 Nephi 31:11-12). God desires us to be clean before entering His kingdom, as stated in Doctrine and Covenants 20:37. Jesus Christ taught us guiding principles and ordinances to help us prepare for His presence (see John 3:5).

So, the baptism of moronic doctrine 559BC that is not related , because this was done in America.

The issue of proper authority in baptism seems to be a significant part of his beliefs. Of course, being in America, it would be impractical to expect them to travel back to the promised land just to be baptized by John the Baptist and then return to America to continue their lives. This seems like a misunderstanding, reminiscent of John 1:33, where John the Baptist himself testified of the one who would baptize with the Holy Ghost.

However, let's assume for a moment that the baptism in question wasn't performed correctly. Do you have the credibility to defend the authority of Manalo to baptize in the Philippines? As stated in Hebrews 5:4, "And no one takes this honor upon himself, but he receives it when called by God, just as Aaron was." Baptism requires proper authority given by God.

Job Bautista's Hilarious comments.
The life of John the Baptist
wasn't written in full detail in the Bible.
Why would INC use it as an excuse?

Let's just leave it there for the main time and will discuss more part of your INC authority after this. Let's just move forward to complete his comments.

While John the Baptist conducting baptism in the river of Jordan . The date is about 33AD .

It might be true, or it might not be. John the Baptist preached before Christ's ministry and even before Christ was baptized (see Matthew 3:1-6). Regarding the timeline, we are limited to what is written in the four gospels available to us today. We don't have full details about John the Baptist’s life prior to the baptism of Christ. His father, a Levitical priest (see Luke 1:5-17), hid him in the wilderness, and being a descendant of Levitical priests, John the Baptist likely received his authority from his lineage. However, the exact details are not completely known.

There is also the possibility that John received revelation from God through an angel to commence his ministry and was given that authority from heaven to baptize people. Just as Christ fasted for 40 days and nights and was ministered to by angels before beginning His mission (see Matthew 4:1-11), John the Baptist may have similarly received heavenly guidance.

Matthew 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
...
17 ¶ From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

So, we never knew before that or about John the Baptist mission, the only thing we knew was that God gave us a pattern on how he would call and prepare his servants to minister to his children. So, don't limit your mind by just sticking to a few texts in the Bible that didn't tell us the detail of their life. Don't assume as if it was.

This cult defender want to connect about the baptism of the people of Israel under the leadership of Moses which they receive baptism through the cloud and sea as symbolic only and no immersion in the water as what John the Baptist taught the baptism in the water and in Spirit. Mark 1:8,,also baptizing more people. John 4:1 . in which this story was copied by Joseph. Mosiah 18:16 about 200 people were baptized according to the book of fictions. ( BOM)

Interestingly, I never directly connected you with that idea; it was actually Paul who provided that example (see 1 Corinthians 10:1-2). I intended merely to show that teachings about baptism existed during those times, as well as in the New Testament. The New Testament, written in Greek, is indeed where the word "baptism" originates.

Concerning baptism, it was indeed revealed through an angel during Nephi's days (see 1 Nephi 11:27; 2 Nephi 31:5-6). Our discussion hinges on accepting the continuation of revelation, even in these latter days (see Amos 3:7).

The absence of revelation and divine authority poses a significant challenge. Without revelation, one cannot legitimately perform baptism or establish a church. I understand that this is a difficult point to accept, but remember that seeking and recognizing divine guidance is essential.

Conclusion ; this cult defender is always relying his hearsay doctrines which contradicts the Bible if not they just copied from the Bible.

Performing baptism aligns with Christ's teachings, as He Himself instituted this sacred ordinance (see Matthew 28:19). Our initial discussions demonstrated this principle clearly, though we may not see eye to eye on it.

The real issue here is not with the ordinance itself, but with the authority to perform it. According to scripture, proper authority is essential (see Hebrews 5:4), and any claim to fulfill Isaiah's prophecy must be held to the highest standards of divine authorization. Without this authority, as Christ established with His Apostles (see John 15:16), the saving ordinances cannot be carried out legitimately.

Let us continue to seek understanding and respect each other's perspectives even if we disagree.

Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery
received the authority to Baptized through
John the Baptist.

Joseph Smith Baptising Oliver.
(They take turn)

Joseph and Oliver with Peter, James and John
of the twelve Apostles.
The Authority to preach and organize
the Church of Jesus Christ

Joseph Smith received the authority directly from John the Baptist of Priest or Levitical Descendants. The words of John was recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 13 -

Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; and this shall never be taken again from the earth, until the sons of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness.

In conclusion, it is essential to recognize that only those possessing the proper authority can perform saving ordinances. The scriptures emphasize the necessity of divine authority in these sacred acts. For instance, in Hebrews 5:4, we read, "And no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron." This underscores the principle that proper authority comes from God and is a critical component of legitimate ordinances in His church.

The individual known as Job Baptista fails to substantiate his claims of authority, often selecting arguments that serve his purpose as an antagonist. Scriptural teachings remind us that truth cannot thrive amidst bigotry and prejudice. In 2 Timothy 2:24-25, we are counseled, "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth."

Bigotry and antagonism blind individuals to the truth. It is only by abandoning such prejudices that one can come to a full understanding of divine principles. Acts 10:34-35 teaches us that "God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness is accepted with him." This passage invites us to approach the gospel with an open heart and mind, leaving behind any preconceived biases.

Ultimately, embracing humility and seeking genuine understanding allows one to perceive and accept divine truths. And I haven't found that personally the way you conversed with me.

Thanks and have a nice day.

Unacceptable Biblical Study of Job Bautista - Part 1

Here let's dive into Job Baustista's unacceptable Text of the Bible. The INC like him would love to choose only the best part of the fruits. But yes, of course, let deal with it. Without further adieu let's jump in -

Jerry Nuñez Bustillo
As addressed to me, 😄!

Aba ang bautismo sa ulap sa mga Isaraelita ay hindi iyan tumutukoy na Bautismo sa alagad ni Nephi .
Okay, and what do you suggest? Baptism is baptism, no matter how you expound it, it's always that way. But let's consider your plea. What kind of baptism would be Job Bautista? If you think it's different then how does it go? And what does Paul simply mean?

Ano ba ang bautismo ng alagad ni Nephi sa pamamagitan daw sa pag lubog sa tubig ?.
Baptism is a Greek word "Baptismos" or to deep. The People of Book of Mormon times were directed to perform it aside from the Law of Moses and the Sabbath. Nephi got his revelation directly from God as what he saw in the Vision regarding the future Christ. Maybe you're misinformed, and since you read the Book of Mormon just follow this verse for your reference (see 1 Nephi 11)

For it came to pass after I had desired to know the things that my father had seen, and believing that the Lord was able to make them known unto me, as I sat pondering in mine heart I was caught away in the Spirit of the Lord, yea, into an exceedingly high mountain, which I never had before seen, and upon which I never had before set my foot.

2 And the Spirit said unto me: Behold, what desirest thou?

3 And I said: I desire to behold the things which my father saw.

4And the Spirit said unto me: Believest thou that thy father saw the tree of which he hath spoken?

5 And I said: Yea, thou knowest that I believe all the words of my father.

6 And when I had spoken these words, the Spirit cried with a loud voice, saying: Hosanna to the Lord, the most high God; for he is God over all the earth, yea, even above all. And blessed art thou, Nephi, because thou believest in the Son of the most high God; wherefore, thou shalt behold the things which thou hast desired.

7 And behold this thing shall be given unto thee for a sign, that after thou hast beheld the tree which bore the fruit which thy father tasted, thou shalt also behold a man descending out of heaven, and him shall ye witness; and after ye have witnessed him ye shall bear record that it is the Son of God.

8 And it came to pass that the Spirit said unto me: Look! And I looked and beheld a tree; and it was like unto the tree which my father had seen; and the beauty thereof was far beyond, yea, exceeding of all beauty; and the whiteness thereof did exceed the whiteness of the driven snow.

9 And it came to pass after I had seen the tree, I said unto the Spirit: I behold thou hast shown unto me the tree which is precious above all.
10 And he said unto me: What desirest thou?
11 And I said unto him: To know the interpretation thereof—for I spake unto him as a man speaketh; for I beheld that he was in the form of a man; yet nevertheless, I knew that it was the Spirit of the Lord; and he spake unto me as a man speaketh with another.
12 And it came to pass that he said unto me: Look! And I looked as if to look upon him, and I saw him not; for he had gone from before my presence.
13 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the great city of Jerusalem, and also other cities. And I beheld the city of Nazareth; and in the city of Nazareth I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly fair and white.
14 And it came to pass that I saw the heavens open; and an angel came down and stood before me; and he said unto me: Nephi, what beholdest thou?
15 And I said unto him: A virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins.
16 And he said unto me: Knowest thou the condescension of God?
17 And I said unto him: I know that he loveth his children; nevertheless, I do not know the meaning of all things.
18 And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.
19 And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!
20 And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms.
21 And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?
22 And I answered him, saying: Yea, it is the love of God, which sheddeth itself abroad in the hearts of the children of men; wherefore, it is the most desirable above all things.
23 And he spake unto me, saying: Yea, and the most joyous to the soul.
24 And after he had said these words, he said unto me: Look! And I looked, and I beheld the Son of God going forth among the children of men; and I saw many fall down at his feet and worship him.
25 And it came to pass that I beheld that the rod of iron, which my father had seen, was the word of God, which led to the fountain of living waters, or to the tree of life; which waters are a representation of the love of God; and I also beheld that the tree of life was a representation of the love of God.
26And the angel said unto me again: Look and behold the condescension of God!
27 And I looked and beheld the Redeemer of the world, of whom my father had spoken; and I also beheld the prophet who should prepare the way before him. And the Lamb of God went forth and was baptized of him; and after he was baptized, I beheld the heavens open, and the Holy Ghost come down out of heaven and abide upon him in the form of a dove.
28 And I beheld that he went forth ministering unto the people, in power and great glory; and the multitudes were gathered together to hear him; and I beheld that they cast him out from among them.

Sa example mo sablay ka kaagad.

This is so laughable claim of uninspired INC ministers. You're simply saying that directly to Paul. Remember it's not me who gave that example it was paul who attempt to give you an idea of baptism in ancient times. A bigot like you of course won't accept that kind of idea from Paul, simply because Paul is uninspired to INC ideology.

Kailan ba nagkaroon ng bautismo sa pamamagitan sa pag lubog sa tubig ? Ito ay sa panahon na ni Juan Bautista at sa panahon ng Cristiano.

Yup, basically it was John the Baptist as the forerunner of this saving ordinance. And yes it was in the New Testament since he was born during those time. But does it certainly mean it wasn't revealed by prophets of Old? Isaiah saw Christ's days and even Abraham rejoice in Christ's days. Interestingly these people (INC) don't believe that way, since Jesus never existed before the prophets which means no such thing as Son of God until he was born. I don't know about that. Anyways, moving forward, let's try to see some examples (not mine 😁) to help us understand its origin.

Additional scripture here is a Mosaic Ritual found in Old Testament. Let's see if this is familiar -

3 Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen mitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.
5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.

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23 And Aaron shall come into the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall put off the linen garments, which he put on when he went into the holy place, and shall leave them there:
24 And he shall wash his flesh with water in the holy place, and put on his garments, and come forth, and offer his burnt offering, and the burnt offering of the people, and make an atonement for himself, and for the people.
25 And the fat of the sin offering shall he burn upon the altar.
26 And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp.
27 And the bullock for the sin offering, and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy place, shall one carry forth without the camp; and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and their dung.
28 And he that burneth them shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward he shall come into the camp. - Leviticus 16

Somethings fishy Job Bautista. Was this ritual say something about baptism or maybe Just God commands it because those ancient people don't know how to take a bath and be clean? Or maybe water is expensive those days. 🤔! I don't know, what do you think Job Bautista? Here's another one below -

5 Or whosoever toucheth any creeping thing, whereby he may be made unclean, or a man of whom he may take uncleanness, whatsoever uncleanness he hath;
6 The soul which hath touched any such shall be unclean until even, and shall not eat of the holy things, unless he wash his flesh with water.
7 And when the sun is down, he shall be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things; because it is his food. - Leviticus 22

Now, what was that all about? God can do all things and if touches something unclean could God clean it as instant as it could? So what's with the ritual anyway?

Samantala ang Bautismo ng alagad ni Nephi ito ay sinagawa sa ilog diumano ng Mormon sa America na kung ating matatamdaan na 600BCay nasa America na sila at nagpapalaganap ng huwad na aral.

😳! 600BC is not too old to see Mosaic traditions. Also, how could the word "nagpapalaganap" would apply if they were the only people who live there (Ancient America) during those times? Do you know how the BC/AD works?

Anyway, the old testament had proven it's practice already that was taught by God during their time. Though John the Baptist introduce it in his days, the Old testament practices and rituals had leads us to it's origin. And so was the revelation received in the Book of Mormon people. The Baptism we're never practice while they were still at Jerusalem, but the revelation were followed after their arrival to the land promised by the Lord to them. And yet Job Bautista never understood that because of bigotry. Sorry to say that Job Bautista, you have so much to learn.

Samantala ang pagbabautismo sa mga Alagad ni Cristo ito ay nangyari sa Jordan at sa karatig bayan na taliwas naman ang kulto ay ito nagsasagawa din sa America?

Okay, so what's the issue again Job? Let us also consider some of the facts discovered by archaeologists that leads us to this Ordinance of Baptism.

On the other side of this topic. There is also a Physical Font used for a specific ritual found in Jewish tradition before Christ days and some other similar ritual were also perform. Take for Example the Mikvah or Mikveh (מִקְוֶה / מקווה‎). I would like you to read the information about this since I don't have much space Regarding this topic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikveh

Kay napakalayo sa katotohanan ang pinagmamalaki ng kulto ni Joseph na sila ang tunay na Cristiano , na kung saan 73 BC pa tinatawag silang Cristiano at ang Cristo hindi pa naipanganak kaya walang Cristiano pa noong 73BC.

This has been over and over. You never realized the timeline of the writer of the Book. Mormon was born after Christ ascension and it was even 300AD when he compile the writings. The usage of course are his words since he knows the teachings of their people. Too slow to analyze Job Bautista. Read my previous post about it https://truth-reflects.blogspot.com/2021/11/neil-andi-anderson-and-job-bautista_13.html?m=1

Molten Sea

Picture is an artist rendition of The Molten Sea. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_Sea

Neil Andi Anderson: Why Christ is so much honored by his own sheep?

Neil Andi Anderson made a long post of his belief and try to deny Christ's Deity and nature. Let go and see his claim. Red Text is my comments. -

Why Christ is so much honored by his own sheep? Here's the reason,

“We believe in Jesus Christ and accept Him as the Son of God, Lord, Savior, and the Mediator between God and Man.

If that so, then you should Believe that God is the Saviour as stated in the scriptures that there is no saviour beside him (Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:22, Hosea 13:4).

We accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God:

“And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and saw how he died, he said, ‘Surely THIS MAN WAS THE SON OF GOD!’” (Mark 15:39, NIV, emphasis mine).

Yes, of course, and even the Father declared that he is the beloved Son (Matthew 17:5). The father even addressed him as God (Hebrew 1:8)

We accept Jesus Christ as our Lord:

“So, all the people of Israel should know this truly: GOD HAS MADE JESUS — THE MAN YOU NAILED TO THE CROSS — BOTH LORD AND CHRIST.” (Acts 2:36, New Century Version, emphasis mine)

God is the Lord of Lords, and so was Christ. Does it say something that we need to understand Christ's divinity? (Deuteronomy 10:17, 1 Timothy 6:15, Revelation 17:14, Revelation 19:16)

We accept Jesus Christ as our Savior:

“The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had murdered by hanging Him on a tree. GOD EXALTED THIS MAN TO HIS RIGHT HAND AS RULER AND SAVIOR, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.” (Acts 5:30-31, Holman Christian Standard Bible, emphasis mine)

I said it already on the first attempt, and don't make it as an excuse using Word game that distracting Christ divine nature. He is not just an ordinary man, a different being, and not a human who has a mortal and imperfect body. He is different then and he has a glorified body Now.

We accept Jesus Christ as the Mediator between man and the one true God:

“For there is one God and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS” (I Timothy 2:5, NIV, emphasis mine)

Yes of course. Christ needs to be in a human form to complete the atonement and to end the Law. You should understand Galatians 3 to know how Christ ends it and the reason for his Sacrifice.

Because we believe that there is only one true God, the Father, thus, Jesus is not the true God, but the Son of the one true God. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself explicitly proclaimed that the Father alone is the true God and He is the Son of the one true God, whom the Father has sent:

“Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You...

“And this is eternal life, that they may know You the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:1,3 NKJV)

I do believe that God the Father is the father of all our spirit and the only one we prayed for and Honor (Acts 17:28-29, Romans 8:14-21), and I do believe he made a plan for us to have a body and to be tested if we are worthy to come back to him someday (Matthew 5:48). The very reasons why there are Laws and Commandments that we should keep are because it is part of his plan and that perhaps we may know how important it is to become like him and follow Christ's example (1John 3:2). Christ never asks greater things to our Father since his will must be followed (Matthew 26:42). The Father is the God of us all that we worship and through his son, we could gain access to his grace. To sum up, you people just need to understand their difference. They are different beings who have one work and purpose as one God.

To attain eternal life is to believe that the Father is the only true God, and Jesus is the one sent by the one true God. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself attests that He is indeed a man in nature:

It is not a problem to those who view it biblically, but to those who view it as Unitarianism, the problem lies in their understanding. God, the father is always the one true God as the father of our spirits.

“As it is, you are determined to kill me, A MAN WHO HAS TOLD YOU THE TRUTH that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.” (John 8:40 NIV, emphasis mine).

You use this as a defense wall of your unitarian view. This has been used over and over and there you are wanted to disprove my understanding of biblical context. Will sure, let's arrange that and make it more profound -

The KJV uses the same idea on this verse -

But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

So what was this all about? I will cite some of the known commentaries on this line and see if this will help our Friend figure out what Christ's words meant. See below

(40) But now ye seek to kill me--i.e., As a matter of fact, in opposition to the conduct which would characterise the true children of Abraham, ye are seeking to kill Me. (Comp. Note on John 8:37.)

A man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard (better, which I heard) from God.--The term "a man," expresses His revelation, by means of human form, of the divine truth which He heard in the pre-human state (John 8:38). The crime of seeking to kill Him is aggravated by the fact that He was One who came to tell them truth, and that from God. They seek to destroy the human life which for the sake of humanity He has assumed. - Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

He aggravated the charge by describing himself as a man who hath declared to you the truth which I heard from God. This is the only place where the Lord speaks of himself as "a man" (cf. Acts 17:31; 1 Timothy 2:5). He here describes himself as One who is subject and liable to their murderous passion - a man, seeing that his eternal Personality has been presented to his antagonists in the form of man. His manhood was the link of relation between the God who sent him, taught him, surrounded and enveloped him, and the consciousness of his hearers. This is the highest representation of the very conception of a Divine commission and a Divine message. They were seeking to stamp out a Divine fire, to drown a heavenly voice, to refuse and trample upon a sacred Messenger. - Pulpit Commentary

I'm not with the commentary side since they have a different form of study. I would just like to have it as an additional insight to our Friend Neil Andi Anderson. Christ came in this world in a human form, with flesh and blood as one of the purposes of his mission to atone someday of the fall. Christ, however, did not claim his divinity while on the earth since he left everything to the Father and to suffer as a human does. (John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.) This guiding truth was never taught to our dearest INC friend, but perhaps someday they come to realize that. Christ came as a human and there's no reason for him to brag about his divinity while on earth. He needs to leave everything to accomplish the Atoning Sacrifice for mankind. This means he must be human as we are human. So as the Scripture goes "A MAN WHO HAS TOLD YOU THE TRUTH" is the right approach of Christ Calling.

A simply statement of Christ but they hardly never understand because Christ says, "Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires....and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me (because you are a Mormon)(Jn.8:43)

First of all, in John 8:43 he is talking to the Jew, mostly to the Pharisees, not to Mormon. You misquote the scriptures on your cherry-picking idea. What this has to say to your claim as to don't add or diminish? And it seems like you violate your own words. 😁! Anyway, try to look at it as who can't bear the teachings of the savior. Succeeding verses specifically verse 58 tell us his existence before the Prophets and yet you like to throw a stone at him by his honest words that he exists with God before the foundation of this world. Why can't you accept that and understand his words? Let me quote it back "You are of your father the devil".

General Conference Talk

House of Sequential Order
By Elder Vaiangina Sikahema
Of the Seventy

INC still braggin in the same old News.

Look how they are in bragging for something that already happened and renounces it on two different stories.

Their latest post.
As of this week.

(See the below)

to see how it was aired

in their Network

as part of their retention program.

Now as it was tagged in their News Headline "He was the Former Mormon Priest, but the News says a former Mormon Preacher". Never knew how he preaches with the Aaronic Priesthood Authority. Does it say how toxic this kind of information is? Too close but not close enough.

Job Bautista' post
(April 20, 2021)

On the other hand, Neil Andi Anderson and Job Bautista already made a post about it on its first story, and funny how they claimed it as a member of one of the highest officers in the church. 😳 which Office? Neil Deleted his Post about it leaving no proof of each conversation he claimed as one of the highest authority. I never heard about him.

Links on the video

https://incmedia.org/former-mormon-officer-finds-true-faith/

A unique online encounter helps a former Mormon officer finally find spiritual peace

https://incmedia.org/former-mormon-priest-is-baptized-in-texas/

A former Mormon preacher in Texas discovers the true faith through a unique online encounter and is baptized

So, how did he claim a preacher if he never been an elder? So much of INC brainwashing. Thank you for your time.

Job Bautista and his Hilarious Post: An Epic History Digging

Here's one of the funniest Posts from our Friend Job Bautista who doesn't know where to start in his criticisms. He seems so worried about something that needs to be put in history that nothing was even preserved by natives after American Colonization. Let's Deal with it to help our Friend Job Bautista -

There are a couple of question
not connected
and it seems like he doesn't know
what to do.

Let's try to analyze his questions and maybe we need to reconstruct them to help him out. Let's get it on and see if we can understand his questions -

See the text in red for my response and the text in blue for his questions and some modifications. I'll try to write it in English for General Audiences. So let's begin with his intro -

Jerry Nuñez Bustillo ( Lds cult church defender) Don't worry let's just keep it like that since you just can't help yourself to act maturely. Let's just have it there and let the other think how Christian you are by those words.

Question 1
Kung lahi ni Lehi ay nag migrate sa America 589 BC ?
Okay, so what's the question was all about? I'm thinking this was all about the Year or maybe he wants to clarify if this is a realistic event. Okay, I don't know what's he up to but here I would like to refer him to some of the church videos to have a better presentation.

Question 2
Samakatuwid si Haring Mosia at naging hari ng America ?

And what is this all about? It's not related to the first question and it's even in a different timeline. Anyway, let's try to answer his question to help him out and understand how this Mosiah became King in his time.

I just don't understand your question. It seems like you are just confused about names and I think you misplace it using your ideology. Focus first and stop thinking about your INC teachings.

Just to help you out, here's one of the examples of the same name issue in the bible, there are various other names but I wouldn't include it here. Study it for yourself -

Joseph son of Jacob = Deuteronomy 27:12

Joseph the Husband of Mary = Matthew 1:16

They're both the same name of a different timeline. Of course, it's different persons. So yeah, you should set aside your bigotry first before creating a question on your mind. That won't work.

Nasa history ba ng America na may hari na ang pangalan ay Mosia ? O ito ay isang kuwentong kutsero lang ?

And it seems like you're trying to get the detail if there's a name that existed in Book of Mormon times. Anyway, to answer that, I would suggest following what Moroni said to know of these things. Everyone has the right to say the bible isn't true, some historical timelines and geography seem to conflict in scientifically carbon dating, etc., everyone has that freedom to disagree or never believe even if the truth is placed in front of your nose.

About me, I couldn't believe it and act as agnostic or atheist anytime if I wanted to without faith on the things that I'd learned. The truth is always the truth the only difference is our acceptance of it. You can question it anytime if you want and try to look at the Bible also using the same question. Does it exist? Names do exist? Or God does exist?

Neil Andi Anderson: The Love of Lie.

Rebuilt Swan Valley, Idaho

It was almost a year already that Neil Andi Anderson posted a picture about a church building that was on fire and he made a claim that it was a temple and was burned down by angry members who were brainwashed by the church, so they took their revenge and burned the Temple. I don't know exactly where he gets that idea so I have to search for the same image to confirm it. Unfortunately, I never found one that says about it, rather I found the authentic article about the fire and the exact event.

During the incident

Here let's take a look at how this Neil Andi Anderson tries to deceive and lie for the sake of INC teachings or maybe to get fame. The image below is our new conversation on his arrogance and the News Links of the Swan Valley fire incident.

This one was addressed actually
to a different person
whom he tries to deceive
on his so-called News.

The same image was used when we have had our conversation and I left him the right news of that tragedy. Normally, if you already know the right incident or some story in the authentic source. So, why would you still stick to that error or wrong information if it's not the right one?

If you're a normal person, then why would you do that? Why would you deliver some story that will just simply deceive someone away from the truth?

Do INC members were trained to be good citizens and be honest in everything? So, what happens Neil?

Here are his comments
addressed to Abish
So where in the world
did you find that
as your source?

I'd been through YouTube and some other social media to find what he's talking about. And I found nothing on his claim. So, fake untrue and full of lies. This kind of attitude should face a moral discipline or some disciplinary council in their Church. But no, he used a fake account to avoid it, and the worse part is, it just adds a darker side to INC Church and its members.

Below are the correct sources of his claim -

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2018/08/new-lds-chapel-to-be-dedicated-in-swan-valley-replaces-meetinghouse-that-burned-down-in-2016/

http://www.ldsdaily.com/world/watch-heartbreaking-live-stream-lds-chapel-burning-idaho/

Some Facebook Post
on the actual image
and video of
Neil Andi Anderson's claim.

To Neil Andi Anderson, was it the teachings of Christ or just the Teaching of your church?

Neil won't reply this article as always. But the point here is - How long you people deceive good people lead them to hell? If the INC church is the chosen People of God, why would they use forces of lie and deception?