For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. - Isaiah 9:6
So here we are again in a failed eisegesis from our friend Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, thinking this can be answered. Now we'll check out if his claim -
Addressing a member of the Church, a missionary might answer his critics. We'll see how this works. Also, it might be good to find a missionary in your area and then tell them that we were having disputes about your failed eisegesis, or maybe you can get a picture of it so they may know about us. I'll challenge you on that, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata.
Marites Palos Salinas Di mo masagot dito tapos magpapadala ka pa ng misyunaryo ninyo bakit?
According to this book of Mormon the Lamb of God or Christ is the Son of the Eternal Father but according to this book also Christ is both the Father and the Son the very Eternal Father.
1 Nephi 11:2121 And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?
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Mosiah Chapter 15How Christ is both the Father and the Son—He will make intercession and bear the transgressions of His people—They and all the holy prophets are His seed—He brings to pass the Resurrection—Little children have eternal life. About 148 B.C.1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.
I underlined and highlighted the words for you to get the point, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, and it seems like you overlooked some important details.
Pakipaliwanag nga po kung paano si CRISTO ay Anak ng ETERNAL FATHER pero siya rin ang ETERNAL FATHER?
Just because Christ has both the Title of a Father, that doesn't mean he was the Father in Heaven. They were both Eternal, and Christ also has the title of the Father, still subject to the Father in Heaven.
I'll give you an example, we know Abraham was the Father of many Nations, does it mean Abraham was literally our Father? No, of course, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, that was his title to those who accept the Abrahamic Covenant. Adam also holds the title of the Father of All races, and yet we have other Fathers of different races. Christ also has the Title of the Father since he was subjected to the will of the Father, or as it says, conceived by the Power of God. This is simply called Divine Intervention
Baka kayang ipaliwanag ng hambog mong co-member na si Jerry Nuñez Bustillo di ba may priesthood authority siya?
Okay, so here's a further explanation, so it will be easy for you to understand.
In the Scriptures, aside from Isaiah 9:6, Christ clearly states: "I and my Father are one" (see John 10:30). Then, ask this: which part are they one? Are they one as a being, or are they one in purpose and authority? Since you already knew and understand that we don't believe, or should I say accept, the trinitarian view, then this will be easy for you to understand Christ's statement. Here's another one "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" John 14:9-10. Why would Jesus Christ try to emphasize that? Why would we take it literally when we knew Christ talked to a different being sometime in his ministry? And even God the Father introduces Christ soon after he came out from the waters of baptism with John the Baptist?
Another thing is that Christ was the Father of the Creation. There are a lot of scriptural verses in the scripture that tell us how the world was created through him. Which obviously means God's creation is meaningless without Christ. Here are some selected scriptures for you, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, and I will just select some of them. I know you can find more on it since you use your Bible for criticism every day. John 1:1-3, And here we clearly see Christ was with the Father from the Beginning and that he holds the same title and the same being as God. So it was God who created all things through Christ. Hebrews 1:2 Christ was "appointed heir of all things", now ask that question. Why would God do that? Then go ahead and continue reading, as it says, "by whom also he made the worlds". This doctrine alone is hard and deep in your INC studies since Christ was just a mere human to your understanding.
And lastly, since this article took a long time to write, and I actually hate long words, I guess I have to take this chance. Christ was the Father Because He Gave Us Eternal Life. Your doctrine of Christ was just a man doesn't even make sense, while the scripture plainly says God is the Saviour, and that part of Christ's divine authority, he has the power and has conquered death, so everyone who believes in him and do the will of the Father will be saved “The Son quickeneth whom he will” John 5:21.
Clear enough, and my explanation is done, and it seems like the bible has the same error if you call it an error, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? So, what's your rebuttal?
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