| Conversations with Robert Matthews, 9–11 November 1835, p.24 link here |
| Tanong ni Jose Rodelio Retome Rata na di man lang pinag-isipan. Naku po! |
Was it Fire or Light?
This has been explained already with some INC-friendly people a long time ago before Jose Rodelio Retome Rata made a Copy-Paste intro of his content that he never thought was already debunked over and over. To learn more about it, go to my first commentary about this with Edson Robis Rase and Eliza Lino Abaya. Click on the link to get there.
Take note, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata: Joseph Smith already made his first statement; the only thing was he couldn't clearly explain the vision that he saw, since everything in it couldn't be explained, as his statement goes, "defy all description," and to help you understand the term, here's the dictionary part to help you understand English -
| Defination from Online Dictionary |
| Joseph Smith's Journal, History, circa Summer 1832, p.3 - https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-circa-summer-1832/1 |
And one more thing to help you out, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata.
Just because fire and light are mentioned at the same time or in different accounts, does that mean they must be completely different things? Are you sure that using the words “fire” and “light” means they cannot describe the same heavenly experience or have related qualities?
This is similar to what I said about Joseph Smith's First Vision. Joseph was trying to describe something heavenly that he had never experienced before. How can someone fully describe heavenly beings, glory, or a divine presence using ordinary human words?
There may not be an exact earthly object or word that can perfectly describe what he saw. So naturally, Joseph would use the closest words and comparisons he could think of to help people understand what he experienced.
The point here is simple: different words don't automatically mean a different story. Sometimes different words are used to describe different aspects of the same thing, especially when someone is trying to explain something beyond ordinary human experience.
So, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, before posting copy-pasted material that you don't know about without using your brain, also consider what it means, look at the context, the audience, and what the author is trying to describe. Don't assume that two different descriptions must automatically mean two completely different things. Use your brain first, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata.
| Commenting on his Post that he didn't even know the Context. |
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