Addressing Edson Robis Rase in his understanding about Prophets

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We are excited to launch our new collection featuring Edson Robis Rase's trashed memes and various quotes that seem to have been hastily gathered from anti-LDS sources without proper context or complete citations. This collection promises to be entertaining, and we look forward to seeing how Edson Robis Rase responds to it. Enjoy the show and the playful engagement with the content!

Does the scripture said that we don't need a prophets in our days?

Not at all! In fact, scriptures and Latter-day Saint teachings emphasize the ongoing need for prophets in our days. Scriptures like Amos 3:7 tell us,

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

This highlights the essential role of prophets in receiving guidance and revelations from God for the benefit of His people.

In the Latter-day Saint faith, it's taught that continuing revelation through prophets is a key part of God’s plan for His children. Leaders like President Russell M. Nelson today serve as prophets, seers, and revelators guiding the Church through continual revelation.

So here, we will go over to one of our friends who wanted to be schooled by his own ideology that doesn't meet it's qualification as doctrine. Let's welcome Edson Robis Rase in his understanding and address some of his Criticism about the Church of Jesus Christ. Let's dive in -

From a comment section by Edson Robis Rase

• Good, but I thought your Christ is still dead?
• So where's his word for you now?
• What did he said to you recently, since you believe he is alive?
• Did he speak, I meant speaks literally or just rely on some out of context biblical quotes?

Does Hebrews 1:1-2 meant that we don't need a prophet in our days?

Hebrews 1:1-2 reads.

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

In this passage, the author of Hebrews is emphasizing the supreme revelation of God through His Son, Jesus Christ, particularly highlighting how Christ's coming represents the fullest and most perfect revelation of God's will. The phrase "in these last days" refers to the era inaugurated by Christ's life, death, and resurrection.

However, this doesn't mean that prophets are no longer needed. Latter-day Saint theology strongly maintains that living prophets are essential even after Christ's ministry on Earth. Prophets today act as witnesses of Jesus Christ and reveal God's will to His children, helping guide and direct them just as prophets did in biblical times. The belief in continuing revelation through prophets is a core part of Latter-day Saint doctrine.

Also, contexts like Ephesians 4:11-14 and Amos 3:7 affirm the role of prophets in leading and guiding the church. These scriptures indicate that prophets and other church leaders are essential for the church's unity, functioning, and maturity until all reach unity in faith and knowledge of the Son of God.

Another comment by Edson Robis Rase

When Christ says to beware of False prophets -

Does He meant that Prophets were no longer Needed in our Days?

Context on Matthew 7:15-20

Matthew 7:15-20 is part of the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus warns about false prophets, saying,

15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:15-20)

In this context, Jesus is not dismissing the role of prophets; instead, He is cautioning against false prophets and teaching us how to discern true from false — by their fruits or their actions and the outcomes of their teachings.

Edson Robis Rase seem confused of a simple question. The answer makes sense, but it's a wrong answer. 😆

Again, for Edson Robis Rase, Christ never made any statements that there will be no more prophets, rather he warn everyone to be aware of false prophets who will come and to know them by their fruit if they're true or not. You should know the stand of Christ, Edson and try reading you bible with comprehension.

Context on 2 Peter 2:1

2 Peter 2:1 discusses false prophets and false teachers, stating -

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Here, Peter is also warning about the dangers of false prophets and teachers, emphasizing the need for vigilance and adherence to true doctrine.

Neither of these passages suggests that prophets are no longer needed. Instead, they highlight the need to be cautious of false prophets and teachers. In Latter-day Saint theology, the role of true, living prophets is essential. Prophets today serve the same fundamental purposes as they did in biblical times: guiding God’s people through revelation, interpreting scripture, and warning against spiritual dangers. Yes, I may agree that this verses warns us in future time that there will be false prophets, but to say it's no longer necessary seems odd as Edson Robis Rase claimed.

Continuing revelation through living prophets is a core belief of Christian doctrine, based on the idea that God loves His children and continues to guide and direct them through appointed prophets. You based on something you think you know but not Scriptural.

Context on  2 Timothy 3:16

This Scriptural verse has nothing to do about the issue of Prophets in our days. This scripture specifically in 2 Timothy 3:16 was Paul's address to Timothy in motivating him to his ministry. This simply said about his continue in searching the scriptures during their time.

2 Timothy 3:16 is an essential scripture often cited in discussions about the authority and use of scriptures in the Christian faith. This verse states:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

In this passage, Paul is addressing his young disciple, Timothy, emphasizing the importance of the scriptures in ministering to others and personal spiritual growth.

Paul’s message to Timothy wasn’t specifically about the role of prophets in their days or ours; rather, it was to underscore the value and utility of the scriptures in guiding the faithful in all aspects of life and ministry. Paul encouraged Timothy to rely on the scriptures which are divinely inspired and serve as the foundation for teaching, correcting, and training in righteousness. This would prepare Timothy, and any servant of God, to be fully equipped for every good work (2 Timothy 3:17).

This emphasizes not only the necessity of the scriptures in the past but their continued relevance today. The principle that scriptures are essential for doctrine and instruction remains pertinent, underscoring that revelation recorded by God’s prophets is timeless.

Does God Cease Speaking?

Historically, the Bible documents instances where God communicated directly with His prophets. For example, Moses was called to lead the Israelites and received revelations from God, as detailed in Exodus 3 where he spoke with God through the burning bush. Similarly, in the New Testament, the Apostle Paul received his mission from the risen Christ on the road to Damascus as detailed in Acts 9. These accounts underscore the belief that divine communication did not end with the closing of the biblical canon.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that just as ancient prophets received revelations to guide their people, modern prophets are also called for the same purpose. This is evident in Doctrine and Covenants, a collection of modern revelations, which states, “Whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same” (Doctrine and Covenants 1:38). This scripture affirms that God's words to His Latter-day Prophets are as valid and necessary as those in ancient times. In contrast, the Iglesia Ni Christo did not, however believe that God still talks 'til this days, there doctrine is based on just simply selected words chosen by their ministers and disregard the rest of the theology if it contradicts their doctrine. They were never guided by spiritual truths rather their messenger or minister was the only authority they would rely on without understanding how revelation goes.

The Holy Ghost plays a critical role in this ongoing system of revelation, confirming the truth of the words spoken by the prophets. As noted in John 14:26, the Holy Ghost "shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” This divine promise ensures that the teachings that come from God’s chosen prophets are verified and validated by the Holy Ghost, ensuring they are true and faithful.

Moreover, Latter-day Saints do not accept to the belief that divine revelation is confined to the 66 books of the Protestant Bible and the Iglesia Ni Christo doctrine says it. They assert that God’s communication is not limited by time or human compilation, referencing biblical passages such as Revelation 22:18-19 where caution is advised against limiting God's words. Latter-day Saints view additional scripture, like the Book of Mormon, as another testament of Jesus Christ, complementing the Bible and expanding understanding of His teachings.

Latter-day Saints sustain their prophets (referred to in Iglesia ni Christo as "SUGO" which means "called") with a firm belief that through these prophets, God continues to provide essential guidance relevant to our times. Just as prophets in the Bible were sustained and heeded by their people, modern prophets are similarly supported in their divine callings.

Therefore, the ongoing revelation through prophets symbolizes an unbroken dialogue between the divine and humankind, ensuring that God’s children can always have direct guidance and understanding concerning His kingdom. This continuity of heavenly communication asserts a faith deeply rooted in both ancient tradition and modern revelation.

There's no such thing as Prophets after Christ? Really?

Edson Robis Rase Questioning something he never think was part of Biblical context.

In Ephesians 2:19-20, Paul is emphasizing unity and the foundation of the church. The verses read:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"

These verses don't suggest that we no longer need prophets. Rather, Paul is explaining that the Church rests on the foundation established by apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ as the chief cornerstone. This imagery underscores the critical roles that apostles and prophets have in laying the foundational truths of the Gospel, which continue to be relevant and necessary for the structure and growth of the Church.

The concept of continuing revelation through prophets is integral in Latter-day Saints theology. It implies that just as in ancient times, God continues to provide guidance through living prophets and apostles, adhering to the pattern established in the scriptures. Therefore, rather than suggesting a cessation of prophetic guidance, Paul’s teachings in Ephesians affirm the ongoing need for such divine direction as part of the established order of Christ’s Church.

Some Prophets and Revelations follows after Christ.

I already made an article of this one in this blog on the same subject, so here we are again.

• Agabus: Mentioned as a prophet in Acts 11:27-28, Agabus predicted a great famine over the entire Roman world, and later, he prophesied about Paul’s imprisonment in Jerusalem (Acts 21:10-11).
• Judas and Silas Described as prophets in Acts 15:32, they were sent from Jerusalem to Antioch to encourage and strengthen the brethren with many words.
• Daughters of Philip the Evangelist Mentioned in Acts 21:9, Philip's four unmarried daughters were recognized for their gift of prophecy.

What do you think Edson Robis Rase? Does the scripture says they were false prophets since they came in after Christ ascension? Any suggestions?

Basically, you're saying that those above list of name that they honor as Prophets were simply false. What would you want to call yourself after believing your own bigotry rather than biblical context? See how you failed to understand the scriptures?

Responding Criticisms/ copied Meme.

This meme was included in his Criticism that he didn't even know what's going on.

Many Christian denominations, including Iglesia Ni Cristo, hold firmly to the belief that God remains the same and His words through the scriptures carry eternal validity. This view highlights the concern of how prophetic revelations. Iglesia Ni Cristo identifies God's messenger, "SUGO," who facilitates communication from God but does not receive new revelations or prophecies.

Bruce R. McConkie, a prominent Latter-day Saint theologian, elaborated that Jesus Christ was begotten by an immortal father, indicating that Christ himself was born of divine lineage—a concept aligning with broader Christian dogma, wherein the Father is seen as immortal and Christ, though divine, shared in humanity's mortality for the purpose of the Atonement.

This brings an interesting point of convergence between Latter-day Saints and Iglesia Ni Cristo in recognizing God the Father's immortal nature, yet there's a difference in perspective about Christ’s nature and role. The Latter-day Saints believe in the divinity of Christ and His role as the literal Son of God, which differs from some interpretations within Iglesia Ni Cristo which view Christ more as a created being than as God himself.

The discussion of these theological points is not "satanic" as some might controversially claim, rather it reflects deep doctrinal differences that warrant respectful dialogue. Misunderstandings or misrepresentations—such as through memes—do not contribute to a meaningful engagement with these profound religious concepts. Instead, focusing on scripture and informed theological discourse fosters better understanding and respect across different faith perspectives.

Something worth for laugh. 😆

This is not actually a "false statement", rather Joseph Smith simply quote it from the Book of Mormon were he got some of the lines of the text linking it to Biblical history. Here's the text - 

6 For Joseph truly testified, saying: A seer shall the Lord my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins.

7 Yea, Joseph truly said: Thus saith the Lord unto me: A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins; and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins. And unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren, which shall be of great worth unto them, even to the bringing of them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers. - 2 Nephi  3:6-7

 

In 2 Nephi 3:6-7, Lehi speaks to his son Joseph shortly before his death, discussing the legacy of Joseph of Egypt and a prophecy about a future seer named Joseph. Lehi emphasizes the special significance of their shared name, which links them to a profound spiritual lineage. He reveals that a future Joseph will perform a crucial role in restoring people to their sacred covenants with God. This future Joseph's mission will be pivotal in fulfilling God’s plan, helping individuals reconnect with their divine commitments. Lehi’s conversation is meant to instill a sense of purpose and continuity in his son, ensuring Joseph understands the deep importance of their name and its role in guiding future generations back to their spiritual foundations. Through this, Lehi connects his son to both their heritage and a future vision of spiritual guidance and renewal.

The same quote Joseph use in linking Joseph in Egypt's words as Lehi had said during Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. Here's part of it in context -

26 A seer shall the LORD my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins.

27 Thus saith the LORD God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.

28 And he shall bring them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers; and he shall do whatsoever work I shall command him.

29 And I will make him great in mine eyes, for he shall do my work; and he shall be great like unto him whom I have said I would raise up unto you, to deliver my people, O house of Israel, out of the land of Egypt; for a seer will I raise up to deliver my people out of the land of Egypt; and he shall be called Moses. And by this name he shall know that he is of thy house; for he shall be nursed by the king’s daughter and shall be called her son.

30 And again, a seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and unto him will I give power to bring forth my word unto the seed of thy loins, and not to the bringing forth of my word only, saith the LORD, but to the convincing them of my word, which shall have already gone forth among them in the last days; (Genesis 50:26-30 JST)

Sounds familiar Edson Robis Rase? Simply because it's was already in the Book of Mormon were Joseph Smith made a documentary link of the Bible and of course it not complicated to understand that Joseph Smith knew something about the past and he's trying to get those missing text of the Bible. This is actually of different subject but we could do a different article on this one if you insist.

And here's another classic compilation that he didn't even bother think of its context. Let get through it one at a time -

1. Coming of the Lord. The coming of Christ on 1891. Did it happen? If you want other source of this response I recommend reading this one to help you out Edson Robis Rase on your baseless copied Criticism that didn't provide you a further details. Here's one at https://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/return.htm. And for my response on your post which I'm hopeful enough that you could provide a rebuttal, but I guessed you can since it's just a copied statement. Anyway, let's start with a question. Did Joseph Smith wrote any of it? Nope, it is a second hand account and it is even questionable. Joseph Smith prophecy of Christ coming were written in Doctrine and Covenants 45 and in Doctrine and Covenants 88. Now there's a link for you to read the context rather than collecting things you don't know.
2. Mission Call of David W. Patten. David W. Patten was one of the early Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and received a mission call from the Prophet Joseph Smith. This call is particularly noted because of its association with a prophecy and subsequent events. In a revelation to Joseph Smith, recorded in Doctrine and Covenants Section 114, David W. Patten was called to serve a mission. This revelation, given on April 17, 1838, directed Apostle Patten to "settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make arrangements to go over the great waters, and there promulgate my gospel, the fulness of the Gentiles." However, David W. Patten died in the Battle of Crooked River on October 25, 1838, before he could fulfill this mission call. David W. Patten's death before he could serve this mission has been the subject of discussion among scholars and members of the Church, particularly relating to the nature of prophecy and the role of human agency. This instance is an example of how some prophecies are conditional based on various circumstances, including personal choices and unforeseen events. His dedication and ultimate sacrifice are often remembered as emblematic of the early sacrifices made by Church leaders during times of intense persecution and difficulty. It is also important to note that David W. Patten already serves the church and Missionary service is part of it.
3. Over throw of the United States. This revelation, given on December 25, 1832, actually prophesied wars that would begin with the rebellion of South Carolina, leading to the involvement of other states and eventually wars involving all nations. Take note, that Joseph Smith did not specifically prophesy the "overthrow" of the United States, but rather, a series of calamities and conflicts following tensions and divisions within the country, especially mentioning civil war. The prophecy about the war starting with South Carolina can be seen as remarkably accurate, considering that South Carolina was indeed the first state to secede from the Union in 1860, leading to the American Civil War. As for the section mentioning "the remnants who are left of the land will marshal themselves," this is open to interpretation and could be considered ongoing in terms of understanding its full implications or fulfillment. Prophecies can sometimes be complex and unfold over long periods, not necessarily within the lifetime of the prophet or those who first hear it. More of this is on the link at Fairlatterdaysaints.org to shorten this article and if you want the detail of it Edson Robis Rase, just go ahead and make your own stand. You can read also the actual prophecy at Doctrine and Covenants 87.

So, here it is and absolutely you have nothing to prove that it is wrong rather copy pasting stuff that you never thing any of the context. Tell me about it Edson Robis Rase?

The Lord "God Will Do Nothing" BUT he reveleth His Secrets to the Prophets

Edson Robis Rase in his Post to other group thinking he could gather a support of his ideology and slow understanding of scriptural context.

In our recent conversation as he posted in other group for fame and Argumentum Ad Populum, Edson Robis Rase thinks that he already won a victors crown not minding that this will cost an impact of Iglesia Ni Christo Theology and doctrine.

Many Christians, including those from the Iglesia Ni Cristo, regard the Bible as the ultimate and final authority, firmly believing that it represents God's unchanging word, as God Himself never changes. A crucial question exists: How does God continue to fulfill the prophecies made by prophets if their words seem outdated?

The Iglesia Ni Cristo doesn't believe that God speaks through his chosen servants, known in their faith as “SUGO” or "Messenger." They do not claim that their messenger receives direct divine revelations for guiding the people today.

This brings up a key issue: If God's words were delivered through the messenger without new revelations, how are these words interpreted or applied? Does the lack of new revelations contradict the scripture in Amos, which suggests an ongoing communication from God to His people? If we discredit the ongoing truth and applicability of such scriptures, then we must question our basis for considering the scriptures as an authority at all.

Understanding and accepting scriptures as truthful and relevant is crucial. If we reject this premise, it weakens our trust in the scriptures as a guiding authority in our lives. Thus, a belief in the necessity of both historical and ongoing divine guidance shapes how we view and apply biblical authority.

So, Edson Robis Rase, again. How did Felix Manalo be called or chosen if he wasn't qualified in such Biblical Statements? Why would we believe him as a SUGO or messenger, while you can not prove that someone from heaven choose him to be a servant?

This is actually On Going, latest commentary and conclusion will be added soon ...