And here we go again in there wrong understanding about the scriptures. Here let's try each scripture debunking his words by simply helping our friend understand it. The colored text are my comment. Follow the text below -
Pagbubunyag sa maling aral na tinataguyod ng Lds Church ni Joseph Smith:
Ayon sa huwad na aklat ( BOM) na ang Diyos daw nila ay si Panginoong Jesucristo? (I don't think you need to question something you already knew) Ayon sa Mosiah 7:27 "And because he said unto them that Christ was the God, the Father of all things, and said that he should take upon him the image of man, and it should be the image after which man was created in the beginning; or in other words, he said that man was created after the image of God, and that God should come down among the children of men, and take upon him flesh and blood, and go forth upon the face of the earth—". Ito po ay labag sa nakasulat sa Biblia maging man si Panginoong Jesucristo ay may kinikilalang Diyos (I don't see how this verse contradicting something that has biblical relevance, so far the only thing I saw was there misinterpretations and assumption) ayon sa Juan 20:17, Mateo 27:46 na kanyang sinasamba ayon sa Juan 4:22. (by quoting this verses, he assumes Christ's words were merely his divine nature while he was in a mortal state. Though Christ is the Son of God, he never claim higher in authority as the Father, but rather honor the father and address as God since he was the God of All Spirit. Let's take a look each verses and see what he meant. John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. The letter in Bold Text shows how he's trying to claim that Christ was indeed human because the Father is his God, and therefore Christ is not God since there should be one whom everyone must worship. But he fail to analyzed that Christ never said anything about him and his divinity, but rather directing the audience that there is a Father who is much superior to him. This first assumption made him think of Christ as a mere human in nature, never realized that he was already risen from the dead. And here's the second he quoted in Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? I already replied his comment about this one, so I'll add a screenshot about it. Anyway, Christ is simply quoting Psalm 22:1 in fulfilling the writings of the Prophets and at the same time, he shows us that though God the Father, can save him anytime he wants, and yet God the Father choose to suffer his Son Jesus Christ to feel the pains and anguish, and that, the only way to fulfill the atonement is to let him suffer as human suffer the pains and death that perhaps he could comprehend every human soul who suffers the same thing. But here our INC friend is trying to twist the subject not knowing how Christ shoulders all of our afflictions. And for the last quote it says, John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. I don't think this is the subject he meant, but I guess it should be on the next verse. Let's add it here to help him out, John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Alright, so I guess he made some brain game, that speculates Christ Teaching which leads us to analyzed on his words. Let's deal with it. Okay, so here Christ is talking to a Samaritan or a people of mixed culture and religion of Gentile and Israelite. Though Samaritans are actively observing the Laws and Prophets 2 Kings 17:24-41, this people practice traditions and the Hope for the coming of Messiah. Christ made a conversation to a Samaritan woman and was impressed in their faith, if we try to go back to Matthew 10:5 Christ Commanded his Apostle to go not into the City of Samaritan. Their different belief or practices were considered Pagans. Yet Christ knew something about their faith of the Messiah. To shorten the story, Christ made himself known to them and of course introduced his doctrine and the Father whom they should worship in Spirit. Christ plainly states that God the Father is the father of Spirit that doesn't mean his not divine. If further reading on that same chapter, The Samaritan knew the savior and they knew it was him who was prophesied by the prophet of old that will come to fulfill their words as the God and Savior. Kung ating itutuloy pa ang pagbasa sa Mosiah 7:27 Na itong Diyos raw nila na si Panginoong Jesucristo ay ang Ama ng lahat ng bagay ? Ito po ay sumasalungat sa turo ni Panginoong Jesucristo na ang Ama ang tunay na Diyos ayon sa Juan 17:1,3. Nang siya ay tumingala sa langit . No it doesn't contradict, and it only shows how poor your understanding about Christ divinity and Calling. Christ was also address as the Everlasting Father, since he was the father of Gospel and we made covenant with God through Him. But that doesn't says he is greater than God nor it says something about worshiping him as our God, the Father of our spirit. Anyway, to answer your confusion of scriptures you brought, in John 17:1 it says -
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I added verse 5 to complete the meaning and Job Bautista seems hiding some of it to avoid Christ calling and divinity. The Scripture taught us about Christ Divinity and God the Father as the God of our spirit. This means that Christ was sent for to atone from our sins, but he was with God before he was born.
At ang karugtong pa na sinasabi sa Mosiah 7:27 na ang Diyos ay nag anyong tao? And there's no question about it, the word was God and the Word was made flesh. Christ was the Word and one of the witnessing heaven. Isang maliwanag na naman na salungat na naman sa Hosea 11:9 na ang Diyos ay hindi tao at maging ang turo ni Panginoong Jesucristo siya ay Tao na nagsasabi ng katotohanan ayon sa Juan 8:40. You just simply twisting it think Christ words as absolute. You need to break it down to understand it. Lets try to see how it was said
Hosea 11:9 (ESV) I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath.
Understanding this verse is simple if you came up to analyze the nature of God and the nature of Man. Of course, God is not a man in nature and will stand above to His creation. Unlike human whose understanding are limited to things he knows now and incapable of things compare to God's limitless power.
And in John 8:40 let's analyzed that words and understand what Christ really meant -
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Does this say something about Christ as human nature or a simple conversation to let the Jews understand him? If you read further you will come to realized the reason why Christ wanted to be stoned by his own people because of blasphemy, and blasphemy mean to make himself as a God.
Kaya ang turo ng Diyos ay hindi maaaring magka ka salungat sila ni Panginoong Jesucristo sa pagtuturo kaya kung inyong mapapansin ay consistent ang turo ng Diyos ay hindi Tao ayon sa Hosea 11:9, at si Panginoong Jesucristo ay isang Tao na nagsasabi ng katotohanan na narinig niya sa Diyos ayon sa Juan 8:40. You just simply fail to understand the scriptures. It's all about nature of God and besides, Christ is in Human state or form and he doesn't have any glory during his proclamation. You simply misunderstood Christ words and adapt it to your INC Doctrine of man. That seems very ignorant. Understand the scripture and how it was said will guide you to know who Christ is and his divine calling as the Son of God and not a mere human. Maging man si Propeta Ezekiel nag turo na ang Tao ay hindi Diyos at ang Diyos ay hindi Tao. Ezekiel 28:2. You just simply fail to understand the scriptures, Ezekiel 28:2 says this
“Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In the pride of your heart you say, “I am a god; I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the seas.” But you are a mere mortal and not a god, though you think you are as wise as a god.
Let's try to see how the Hebrew understands it -
“SonAng pinagbabatayan ng Lds cult na ang Diyos daw ay naglikha ng tao ayon sa kanyang wangis ? Hindi maaaring ihambing ang Diyos sa wangis ng tao dahil ang tao may iba’t ibang anyo may pangit at maganda may maitim at maputi . Wrong! God Created us in his image and in that simple understand, the image of Male and Female is the same image as gods on how he created them as His Sons and Daughter. This Job Bautista has too much fallacy and poor exegesis on the scriptures. Kaya mali ang batayan ng mga kulto na Lds. Ang tinutukoy po dyan na kawangis ay ang Diyos ay Banal kaya magpakabanal ang Tao na kanyang nilikha . Fail! that doesn't say anything about Creation but rather it says something about the purpose of man. You fail many times already, can you give a good shot on interpreting the scriptures? Use your head and don't rely on INC man-made doctrine. You people with Bigot attitude will never understand the scriptures is you continue with that kind of attitude. Just remind you. Kaya nilinaw ni Apostol Pablo sa kanyang pagtuturo na ang Diyos ay walang kamatayan at hindi nakikita ayon sa 1 Timoteo 1:17.
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.Kaya hindi rin pasado sa kabanalan itong kinikilala nilang Propeta na si Joseph smith dahil hindi ito namuhay sa kabanalan kundi siya po ay nabuhay sa kahalayan naging sugapa sa babae at siya ang pasimuno ng doktrina na polygamy isang doktrina ng demonyo na dumaya sa kanila ayon sa Rev. 12:9. Revelation 12:9 has nothing to do with the Church and the doctrine, and has nothing to do with Joseph Smith. You just simply assume by simply grabbing something out of the text in the scriptures. Too weak Job Bautista. Kaya napakalinaw na ang aral ng Lds church ay aral ng kulto at aral ng Anti-Cristo. And until you fail you still manage to turn the topic into a false accusation. This is how you people never understand the truth because of your teachings on scorning, lying and deceiving. This has been the only living proof that you can't make a healthy discussion and end up calling someone false without any proof.
In conclusion, I don't think you understood the scriptures very well of maybe some ministers are trying to inject that in your mind the principle that has nothing to do in Christ Deity. We believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, the Savior, Redeemer, judge and the Holy One of Israel, that's not ordinary man, but rather a God who was with the Father in the Beginning. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
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| He posted this on his Facebook Timeline Not knowing what it was all about. |
Jerry Nuñez Bustillo
May isa pa uli akong alas na talagang Church of Christ ang pangalan ng Iglesia na itinayo ni Cristo ayon sa Mateo 16:18 at ipinangaral ng mga Apostol ni Cristo ayon sa Roma 16:16. This has been debunked over and over and he still can't understand the scripture. One thing is for sure is if the Church of Christ was the official name established by Christ, it wasn't the INC establish by Felix Manalo. This guy seriously needs to work out his belief and understanding of the scriptures. He just simply assumes that the registered church name is necessary to claim it as a true Church not knowing how the messenger was called and the authority from heaven. He doesn't know that and he doesn't care.
At alam ba ninyo na kahit ang BOM nagpatotoo nito? Basahin natin ;
4 Nephi 1: 1 And it came to pass that the thirty and fourth year passed away, and also the thirty and fifth, and behold the disciples of Jesus had formed a CHURCH OF CHRIST in all the lands round about. And as many as did come unto them, and did truly repent of their sins, were baptized in the name of Jesus; and they did also receive the Holy Ghost.
Job Bautista simply assume this is a false doctrine of LDS he never realized almost all Christian denominations understand the words written in the scriptures about Christ as the creator. For instance, here are some of the links I collected for reference -
And there are lots of compile writings, not even an official LDS doctrine, and yet believe Christ was the Creator of all things.
Only the INC who has a poor exegesis never understood the writings of the scriptures because of their uninspired ministers who told them what to study and use to avoid the truth. Here's the example below of Job Bautista's poor understand and let's help him learn the truth about it.
See this video to understand our belief in Christ - https://youtu.be/TapRlpkp4-0
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Mormon false doctrine .
Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth.
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NKJV Bible. Isaiah 40:28
[28]Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the Lord, The Creator of the ends of the earth, Neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable.
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First things first. Christ created the heavens and the Earth. Let try to understand how the scriptures say -
The Holy One is the Creator
Isaiah 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.Isaiah 41:20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the Lord hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.
The scripture clearly says it, the Holy One hath created. And who's the Holy One of God? Let's take a closer look at different scriptures -
Luke 4:24; Mark 1:24On our first attempt, we hath understand that the scripture knows Christ as the Holy One, and the Holy One was no other than the creator of Heaven and Earth and everything therein.
The Word was God
These self-explanatory scriptures are so plain in the understanding. Let's take a look and learn how Christ as the Word was the Creator. In these few scriptures, we will understand that Christ is a different or separate being aside from the Father and that the Father hath given all things under his Son. See below -
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Psalm 33:6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
John 1Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
The Redeemer was the Creator
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;Jerry Nuñez Bustillo
Ayon kay Mr. Little bit Harder , gumamit siya ng mga pangalan ng Local ng INC sa unang siglo upang palabasin na marsmi diumano ang Iglesia na itinayo ni Panginoong Jesus at tinatawag sa ibsng pangalan ?
Wrong: it was never at the time of Christ it was rather a time after Christ Ascension. Job Bautista's studies were too poor to comprehend the Scriptures. He just simply loves twisting the truth and turns them into their very own man ade doctrine. Here let me show you some of his Fail Study.
Kung ating susuriin ang Mateo 16:18 ay binanggit doon na itatayo ko ang AKING IGLESIA . Singular lamang ang pagkabanggit at hindi binubuo ng maraming Iglesia . Christ build his church yes you got that right and it is just one church but not INC 1914. It was no other than the Church of Jesus Christ or the Church of God.
kaya sablay itong si Mr. Little bit Harder sa kanyang unawa. Are you sure, or maybe you still brought your bigoted study with you? Not new to me.
Ang Iglesia na ito ay nag simula sa munting KAWAN ayon sa Lukad 12:32. And seems like it has nothing to do with your Church Name Game. Sorry, it is never an INC and would never be in Philippines. Na ang tinutukoy na KAWAN ay ang Iglesia ni Cristo ayon sa Gawa 20:28 lamsa . And there goes the Bigotry. You seems to use Lamsa version as to cover up the Greek standard Koine version. Why was that? Because you can't accept Christ is God, because of Bigotry. Still thirsty for more? Anyway, let try to see Greek standard translation and we will use Nestle Arland and UBS to clarify each words.
NA28 -
ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ20:28 προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.
UBS GNT5 -Acts 20:28προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ, ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ αἵματος τοῦ ἰδίου.
So how it was written? (ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ θεοῦ) Clearly it was the Church of God. The only thing Job Bautista maintain his Lamsa version because of his Bigotry, he cannot simply use a Greek Septuagint or the original Greek version because it contradict their very own man made doctrine of INC
Dahil sa pinagusig itong KAWAN ni PJC ay nangalat ito at nakarating sa iba't ibang dako na binabanggit ni Jerry ( Mr.Little bit Harder ) subalit ito po ay isang Katawan lamang ni Cristo at may isang ulo. The church only got one Head and that was Christ no question about it. I don't know what are you up to, but this seems like you thinks I'm to poor to understand the scriptures. Too bad sir, I'm not like you. You better have your bible with you and understand it rather pick up only which was right in your own man made doctrine. Colosas 1:18 kaya sa mata ng Diyos ito anv bagong tao na nilalang niya sa pamamagitan ni Panginoong Jesus. Walang binabanggit na Maraming Katawan ? Still you have made a wrong assumptions enough of your Personalized doctrine. I'm used to it. Ang katawan na binabanggit ay bagama' iisa ito ay may maraming sangkap na napaloob lamang sa isang Katawan o Iglesia 1 Cor. 12:27. So I guess you don't understand the first article address to you. You should make a good answer than that. Your intention simply to divert it to a different insight which indeed make you cunning and unworthy in accepting the truth. Good try but not good enough.
Dahil sa ngalat ang Kawan ni Cristo nakarsting ito sadako ng mga Hentil. Roma 16:4 . ito ay tinawag na Iglesia ni Cristo ayon sa mga Roma 16:16. And there you use the Word Church of Christ using Roman 16:16 but in fact it was used as a plural term as to a Churches that was build by Christ through the spreading of the Gospel. He is trying to trick a word shift game to maintain their teachings. How stupid was that. Too much Bigotry.
May hula si Panginoong Jesus na itong Iglesia ni ya ay ililigaw ng bulaang propheta 1 Tim. 4:1,3 , ito anv paglitaw naman ni Joseph smith ayon sa Mateo 24:4 , Marami ang kanilang ililigaw Mat. 24:11 . Wrong: your creating a fallacy of Hasty Generalization by just claiming something you can't support. Get a life bro. You people are so devilish, this is not a Christian teaching that of claiming something it is because of some claims. Christ clearly said to beware of false prophets... and by their fruits ye shall know them... This Job Bautista failed to understand the the Scripture that he even failed to realized that his So called Sugo doesn't have any fruit to tell his story and how he was called by God and how did he receive the authority. This Guy's simple make the biggest mistake of their religion and I would simply ask if there is a minister who knows him to question his understanding about Christ words. His devilic motive will just simply adds darkness to INC Doctrine.
Kanilang ipangaral ng huwad na Religion na hindi naman itinatag ni Panginoong Jesus st tatawagin silang Lds church kasalungat sa aral na tinataguyod ng Tunay na Kawan ni Panginoong Jesus. Sa Pangalan palanv magkaiba na . And there's the name game again and yet you diverted it to a different insights. So tell me Job as the question that I ask one time.
Ang salita ni PJC ay salita ng Diyod na nag sugo sa kanya ayon sa Heb. 1:1-2 , and have you understand the words in that scripture?
If you think it was Christ, then you should believe that it was also him who made the world. There are complicated words if we go to it further but this time it's not necessary to add that here. at ito ay ipinasulat ang salita ng Diyos . Jeremias 30:2 , you just simply mixed up the topic by just referencing irrelevant scripture verses. Jeremiah was instructed to write the Revelation he received and of course it was written in the Book of Jeremiah. This has nothing to do with the main topic and not even too close to say it's all about the scriptures. Jeremiah's words are exclusive to the revelations he received, not the entire Bible. I don't know what are you up to and this is a total out of content topic. at ito ay nakasulat sa Banal na kasulatan ayon sa 2 Tim. 3:16-17 Paul's instruction to Timothy has nothing to do with the entire Bible, during those time the Bible is not yet compiled and Timothy's knowledge about the scripture was no other that the Torah of there days, Timothy is will learn about the laws and the Prophets and Paul encouraged him to understand and read the scriptures. Simply, you don't know a thing about this verses. Ask your minister to help you about it. na ito ay natatskan na at huwag na dagdagan ni babawasan ayon sa Rev. 22:18-19. And here's another wrong ideology, you must understand how that word was written. John's revelation was written in the Patmos Isle and ofcourse it is a separate writings. John's caution was all about the revelations he received and during those time revelation was a separate writting to the other epistles of the apostles. And which in fact his warning was all about his sole book or the book of revelation alone. You fail to understand the scriptures because of your bigotry and man-made doctrine. See for example in the Book of Moses that also warns the same thing.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
So why added words and even books after it? Simply because it was all about the revelations receive during those times and they're commanded not to add or diminish the words that was already proclaimed. See how ignorant you are?
Subalit ang bulaang propeta at gumawa din ng kasulatan na liban sa Biblia . Fail: Christ Said and I'll recall it again here - by their fruits ye shall know them. There's only one good evidence to know that the prophet was called of God and that is though their fruit. The book of Mormon prove that Christ restores his Church through his servants the Prophets and God will always provide ways to communicate to his people. But you INC cults could not provide even one example on how Felix Manalo was called by God and how did he receive revelation. You can't even proclaim how he was called and when did God speaks to him from heaven. ZERO. SO, WHO'S THE FALSE CHURCH?
Ito ay tinatawag nil na book of mormon na may nihil of obstat ni Sator ayon sa Rev. 12:9 na siyang dumays sa kanila . Don't make any made stories that you can't even support. This simply tells someone your deceiving just to get their attention. If you think that is, then expound it using any source to prove your claim. But to say something not re elevant to the subject is just simply a diversions to avoid the truth being told. ibang evangelio ang tinataguyod ng the polygamist church ni Joseph Smith. And seems like your childish act was begging to twist the topic. Too bad you can't support it not a single source. ito ang primary doctrine ng alagad ni Sator ang mapangalunya ayon sa Rev. 21:8 magkakamit daw sila ng pangako na buhay na walang hanggang ang mga taong nasa kaliwang kamay ni Panginoong Jesus . And here's another wrong and lying style of INCultic doctrine to deceive, this is one of their technique to lead people as try as a wolf in Sheep's clothing. Sila daw anv mga kambing dahil hindi naman sila kabilang sa Kawan ni Panginoong Jesus. If you are a honest truth seekers or if you have the truth and wanted to share it, it not necessary to make such a stupid claim like this. Your lying and deceiving simply tell someone that you don't have the truth but rather a hate and rudeness in your arrongance. Your such a Bigot Job Bautista and you will never be a good Christian, no such thing as INCult Christian. You're not a Christian Church, prove me wrong. If so, then start acting as a Christian without hate and lying.
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| He said Levi Lewis was Joseph's Right Hand who knows Joseph Personally. Honestly, I never even heard this guy was his right hand. See how this Neil Andi Anderson Love to tell lies and deceive just to get converts to their INC cult doctrine. |
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| Oh, really? And how many anti-Mormon trash will you still keep in your pocket. This one has been proven already and you still keep it for a reference? |
Nice try, but not good enough. You should dig deeper to it. And every claim seems so absurd without any second witness to prove. Here is a link to that claim from FAIRLDS -
Simply, you are misinformed and try to think I'm not aware of any of that. Sorry, not a good source to deceive. Better luck next time.
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| One of Job Baptista's post and how he managed to call someone rudely and bullied. The Only church that teaches hate to everyone who's of a different faith. |
INC church of Manalo will never learn the scriptures in their life they just simply misunderstood its writings and use the word of God for hate and to use it as weapons. This kind of hatred is circulating in the entire social Media creating their own group and scorning to someone's belief. This Job Bautista is one of those rude people hiding in a fake account to avoid being questioned by their standards as written in their Fundamental Belief.
James 1
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
So, why would join such stupid religion who teaches hate and address anyone as their enemy?
I would recommend someone whose not a member of this church not to investigate or avoid this kind of religion, rather study the scriptures and ask God to direct you to the right path that teaches truth and not lies.
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| “Do not let arrogance go to your head and despair to your heart; do not let compliments go to your head and criticisms to your heart; do not let success go to your head and failure to your heart.” – Roy T. Bennett |
Alright, I will answer you straight, and let's try to understand the certain points of your claim and compare them biblical.
Jerry Nuñez Bustillo Jerry boy, di mo kasi alam kung ano ang nangyari sa unang Iglesia ni Cristo, Wrong Assumption, I do know the history of Apostasy and how the church will be restored in the last days. Paul clearly says that and here I gave you example.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Do you think I didn't know that Neil? Your rudeness leads you to your arrogant and it seems you need a better life. siguro naduling ka dahil sa aral ni Junjun Smith. Surely no sir and don't add your arrogance here, if you think you can control me on your bigotry, try it a little bit harder. Matagal na itong ipinangaral ng INC ang pagtatalikod sa unang Iglesia at kung saliksikin man natin itong mabuti mismo ang mga autoridad Katoliko ang magpapatunay sa pamamagitan ng history of the early father of the Catholic Church. Too, lame Catholic Church could never trace there authority and if they do have, this will prove that INC were just an impostor who disguise in sheep clothing. You can't just include catholic without a proper authority tracing, it will end up your church is false who just branches on the same source. Huwag mong isipin na lumitaw na iyong mormon niyo na ayon sa inyo ay isinulat noong 600 na taon bago lumitaw ang Iglesia sa Jerusalem. We never told that story, and we never claim we are ahead of Christ Church, but rather the church and the gospel was restored through his servants the prophets. This too much assumption seem ignorant to the truth. You simply cant proclaim the truth because of your arrogance. Itatak mo sa isip mo iyan ay isang fiction sa mga taong walang magawa sa buhay. Have you think that same question lately Neil? Have you ever think that Manalo was just a con man tricked you in his own understanding about his own knowledge on scriptures without any guidance from heaven? Your too childish to suggest something youd never done. Itatak mo sa utak mo bago natapos ang bagong testamento kay Cristo ay hindi umabot ng isang daang taon. This prove that you don't know a thing. You talk about apostasy but you never knew how long it take before it was restored. After the prophets and Apostles died because of persecutions what happens next to it? Your ideology about Apostasy is not deep enough to know the entire truth and yet you claim you know such thing. Just as I said, you're arrogant to know the truth. Ill give you a short information from wiki to know more about apostasy. Be sure to read and understand it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy Paano pa kaya itong si Junjun noong 1800 na may kodego na siya sa pag-gawa sa nitong imbentong libro niya. Empty Accusation, this truly tells us that INC are good at lying, they just lie just to lead and brainwash people away from the truth and he think I didn't know such thing. Here's a short video to your lying and deceiving if it is true. Check all of it to make sure your know such thing before posting a lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_0JKtjgzbM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsgl2pvssPo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LdR7BoI6F0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xE1Byp00M8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TTsCDwS6oA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjYrYMG7naE
If you think you had the truth, then give some sources rather posting lies that didn't even too close to an actual event. Kaya madali niyang magawa ito. (If you think so, then where's your source? EMPTY right?) Kaya makilala natin ang kanyang sinasabi na itoy mula lamang sa kanyang pag-iisip dahil ang bibliya din ang magtutuklas na siyay sa diyablo, Balikan natin kung ano ang nangyari sa iglesia ni Cristo at ito bay may panukala na mula ng mga apostoles. Ito ang sinabi ni apostol Pablo:, Okay, so let's go and compare your understanding scriptural to scriptural and see if you have the truth.
..................................................................................................................................................."Huwag kayong padaya kanino man sa anomang paraan: sapagka't ito'y hindi darating, maliban nang dumating ang pagtatalikod, at mahayag ang taong makasalanan, ang anak ng kapahamakan" (2Tes.2:3) Ano po ang babala ni Apostol Pablo? Di pa dumating ang Cristo may darating una ang pagtatalikod sa iglesia ni Cristo. Yeah I know, I already posted that, but the thing is you don't know how the apostasy happen, just simply copy and paste source from your very own INC Media. Nothing more nothing less. Kaya hindi totoo sa sinabi mo utoy Jerry na may iglesia ni Cristo nay itoy mula sa 33AD. Wrong! First of All, I never said anything that there was IGLESIA NI CHRISTO 33 AD, but rather I posted a picture comparing Church of Christ and INC of which church was true since Job Bautista's stupid study claim the true church carries it's name. So I give the Church of Christ 33 AD and post a picture and compare it. But what happens next was that this arrogant seems to think that I claim it, rather trying to brought a question as to which is which should I join. See how arrogant you are Neil? Second of All, Christ already Build his church and it was never about the name church game, Christ never said anything about the only church name Christian should use or else they will be damn. But rather he gave authorities to some twelve to declare his Gospel to every Nation, Kindred and Tongue. See the difference? You're too focus on name game, but never realized how true Manalo receive the authority and when did God gave him that rights and revelation. I would rather believe Quiboloy's story than this INC Failure Stories. Wala na po iyon dahil ang Iglesia ni Cristo dahil itoy nahihitalikod di na natin magigisnan iyon kundi Iglesia Katolika. Kaya ang propesiya ni Apostol Pablo ay natupad. For sure it was, and for sure INC was not involve in the prophesy. Prove me wrong. Pero may pangako ang Cristo nawala man ang kawan dahil itoy lubhang inuusig at napapasukan sa mga huwad na mangangaral. Ang pangako ay nanatili na may ibang tupa ang Panginoon na di kasali sa kawan noong unang siglo na sabi niya dadalhin din niya ito “At mayroon pa akong ibang mga tupa, na hindi sa kulungang ito: sila'y kailangan din ... Samakatuwid, ang kawan ay ang Iglesia Ni Cristo. (Juan10:16) Wrong! Christ did never tell such story as the fulfillment of the INC in the Philippines. Things you should know first before going to this story. First, the Gospel was never yet introduce to the Gentile nation during Christ proclamation. Christ even disregard preaching to the nation those time. See for example his instruction to the twelve in preaching the Gospel during their time
Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:Ito din ang kawan na tinubos ni Cristo sa pamamagitan ng kanyang dugo. Fail! Don't even think of anything that you can't trace your authority from heaven. You people are stuck to your bigotry. Don't fool on me and tell me I knew nothing of your teachings. And please, stop doing that Arrogant name calling. You're too old enough to act too childish. Kaya utoy Jerry di po magbabago ang pangalan mananatili itong Iglesia ni Cristo. Fail! it's not about Church Name Game it is all about authority, you people can't trace your authority from God, not even Felix Manalo can tell you his side of story that God talks to him and directed him about the truth. So, if you think it was about names, you keep your business name to somewhere else, it has nothing to do about Christianity. Kaya sabi ko sa iyo na ito ang ikatlong bahagi sa kawan na itinayo ni Cristo. There is no such thing as Third Part as the Philippines, the third part was mentioned in the bible were no other than the remnant of the house of Judah. You people are slicing the same Brand of Cake and claim it is of the other brand and deceive someone to eat it. No, not me and if you want to prove me about it. just bring it on and I will show you how wrong your understanding about the scriptures. Ang aral o ebanghelyo ay walang pagbabago, di po totoo na pwede bagohin ang aral dahil ang sugo sa 1800 ay isang manyakis at dapat pagbigyan ng kanilang Diyos. And see how arrogant you are, making a claim without anything to prove is so arrogant and will just divert it just to have the bright side in you. Too weak Neil and you'll never learn. Stop acting like you know such thing and claim you belong to some certain group when you're not. Your lying won't work. Walang katotohanan iyan utoy Jerry. Really, and where do you think I could find it? In INC? Sorry, Try Again. Uulitin ko po ang INC na mula sa 1914 ay tinubos din sa pamamagitan ng dugo ng ating Panginoong Jesus. (Act20:28) Every Church can claim that, not just INC 1914 and in fact you Messenger Felix Manalo did not even declare he has that authority to preach that the only church was redeemed was the INC. He can't prove that, he can't even prove he has revelation receive from heaven to declare such thing. So much of a false Messenger. Di po kasali ang mormon dito dahil exclusive lang ito sa INC. How Childish, and How many Churches in General agree to that childish claim. You are too naive and will never learn anything from the scriptures with bigotry. The only thing you can do to let go of that INC cult doctrine is to center your study on the scriptures and stop referencing it to your Man made doctrine. You will never learn to embrace the truth with that kind of attitude.
Mabuti inamin mo na member kayo ng kulto. Look how stupid this Job Bautista is, assuming someone would say he/she was of the cult while posting only his side. This kind of attitude could never maintain a healthy and friendly discussion, rather he's introducing hate and remorse to one's feelings.
Bakit ano ba ang aral ng kulto ng Lds church ni Joseph smith? And there he asks a question with hate. If you're a normal person you would omit words unnecessary for discussion. But no, this guy is a lunatic, and I would 100% encourage this guy to ask for a physician.
3 Nephi 19: 18 At masdan, sila ay nagsimulang manalangin; at sila ay nanalangin kay Jesus, tinatawag siya na kanilang Panginoon at kanilang Diyos.
Ayon sa kulto ni Joseph tinawag daw nila na Diyos si Panginoong Jesus .
Normally, that's what every Christian does unless INC a "Church of Man". Why did I say that? Because Christ is just a mere Man in their doctrine. So it is a church of Man not of God. Anyway, to answer you Straight Job Bautista, this only proves that Christ in the Book of Mormon, as what every Christian believes supports that Christ is the Son of God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. The Book of Supports the Bible and nothing else. All things are created by and through him. Simply, you just can't to accept it because you're brainwashed by your man-made doctrine not even guided.
Kung ating tatanungin si Panginoong Jesus saan at kanino ba siya aakyat ?
Juan 20:17 Sabi ni Jesus, “Huwag mo akong hawakan sapagkat hindi pa ako nakakapunta sa Ama. Sa halip, pumunta ka sa aking mga kapatid at sabihin mo sa kanila na aakyat ako sa aking Ama at inyong Ama, sa aking Diyos at inyong Diyos.”
Christ is the Son, of course, God the Father is greater than him and it is rightful to call God to a father. I just don't know how this guy's brain works. Everyone calls our God the Father as our God because he is the Father of our Spirit and Christ was the God of our Salvation and redemption comes because of him. Simple!
Ayon sa ating nabasa si Panginoong Jesus aakyat siya sa kanyang Diyos .
Yeah right, and our God. Anything new then?
Kaya muli napatunayan natin na anti Cristo ang aral ng Lds cult church ni Joseph smith.
Wrong! You never prove anything, you just simply misunderstood what is written and how it was written. Same old.
Let's see how Neil Andi Anderson Got the right biblical doctrine and their so-called prophecy of Felix Manalo. Already without wasting too much time let's dive in. Comments are in red -
(Responding to someone, Name withheld) Nasa propesiya po, di lang isa ang propesiya tungkol kay FYM kundi maraming propesiya tungkol sa taong nagmula sa halayong silangan o Pilipinas kung tatawagin sa ating panahon. So he's saying that it is not just one prophecy but there are a couple of Prophecies about Felix yet on our previous review it wasn't a prophecy about him. He fail miserably about it and yet still insist it was Felix Manalo or the Church of Christ in the Philippines. Alright, let try and see how he made that claim. Di lang matanggap sa tao ang mga panukala tungkol sa kanya. Kung sa panahon man ni Cristo marami ding mga Hudyo na hindi naniwala kay Jesus paano pa kaya kay FYM na siyay isang hamak na tao na mula lamang sa hindi mayamang bansa? Pero ang mga panukala ay natupad at ang lahat ng pangako tungkol sa kanyang bayan na sabi ng bibliya na isang "bayang di pinabayaan" Now, he tries to compare Felix Prophecy like Christ who was rejected in his own land, and there's a catch, the so-called prophecy and promises about him was fulfilled. 🤔? where in the world was it fulfilled? I don't see one but rather a self claim prophecy using biblical text that has nothing to do about him.
At tatawagin nila sila Ang banal na bayan, Ang tinubos ng Panginoon: at ikaw ay tatawagin Hinanap, Bayang hindi pinabayaan. (Isaias 62:12 TLAB) Kaya di maiikubli na ang INC ngayon ay siyang pinakamabilis na lumago na kahit sa panahon ng pandemic itoy nakakapag-aning maraming kaluluwa. Are you sure about that? 🤔 The promise of God has already done to His own nation. Which nation are you referring to? 🇮🇱 or 🇵🇭
Isaiah's word about the covenanted people Israel was promised to be redeemed, during Isaiah's time Israel was in bondage but the Lord never forsake his people. Though the verse is Generally saying something about the future even of the Covenanted people and the redemption they received after all the hardships. So the question is, does it says something about INC in the Philippines? Just because the word was used such as "end of the world", "the City not forsaken", "the Holy People" it doesn't mean the people in the Philippines, I am patriotic but I would never claim it is the country that I would suggest to someone in terms of biblical study. It is too poor to claim and argue with a valid source of study. Here' the complete words from Isaiah 62:10-12 and see for yourself and take note of the Word that they always use as their basis. It'll be easier to understand the context if you start from the very beginning of the chapter, you'll realize that it was addressed to the people of Israel as the Lord's Covenanted People.
10 ¶ Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.
11 Behold, the Lord hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the Lord: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.
At madali mong makilala ang totoong sugo dahil sa kanyang mga turo dahil lahat itoy nakasulat sa banal na kasulatan walang dagdag o binabawasan. Miserably Fail, Christ said by their fruits ye shall know them, it is not about by their preachings. Everyone can claim they have the right doctrine and they taught everything in the Bible as their source of teaching, but what about the calling and right authority? Neil just don't know what the scripture was all about, he simply missed the important detail to know the Prophets if it is of God or the Devil. Nice try but try a little bit harder next time. Ihambing mo sa mga nag-aangkin diyan na may mga propeta daw sila pero kung sukatin man nating ang kanilang mga itinuro ay lubhang kultotismo ang dating, minsan naakit ang mga taong marupok sa pagsusuot ng kanilang miracle bahag. And here goes the Red Herring Fallacy, He assumes that garments as his main concern were unbiblical, seriously? You try to mix up something that focused the attention on different subjects. Nice diversion though, but sorry, your concern is already answered, I'll post that here and call your attention to it in my next post. Kaya dito lang sa kanilang mga inaawit ay nakakatawa na. 🙄 Seems like your running out of Criticisms. The best thing that a fool can give is to fool himself. Sorry, I'm not one of yours. Kaya kayong naakit sa mormonismo, we are inviting you to listen what the INC had preached and compare it in your cult church. If I'm not a Mormon and happened to read this kind of senseless junk, I would rather choose a different religion than listening to a childish talk. No thanks.
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| My response to his post. Change my mind. But he can't. |
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| Here is one of their so-called prophecy fulfilled using various verses from Isaiah twisting its meaning to deceive many. |
Isaiah 43:5-6
5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
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8 But now, Israel, you are my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the descendants of Abraham my friend, whom I have strengthened.
| Ancient Map 559-530 BC |
Alright, so let's get it on. I'll be posting commentaries and scholarly studies of Isaiah's words. I posted this to one of our friends that insisted on his understanding of Isaiah's prophecy and by this time I'll repost it from our friend Job Bautista and Neil Andi Anderson. So let's take a look and put them on a test. So, here's my word below addressing Policarpio. (The Colored Text are Commentaries)
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Policarpio Procopio
I don't want to make a new thread since this address on the same issue. But I can't comment on other OP. I learned that you read lots of books from scholars. Let's try how do they understand about your claim. Let's use this thread instead so we can have it in just one place.
Isaiah 46:11
Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(11) Calling a ravenous bird.—Cyrus is thus described as Nebuchadnezzar is in Jeremiah 49:22; Ezekiel 17:3. The image derives a special significance from the fact that the standard borne by Cyrus and his successors was a golden eagle (Xen., Cyrop. vii. 1. 4; Anab. i. 10, 12). (Comp. also Matthew 24:28; Luke 17:37.) The “sun-rising” is, of course, Persia; the “far country” probably represents Media.
I have spoken.—The word of Jehovah passes, unlike that of the false gods, into a certain and immediate act.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
46:5-13 Here the folly of those who made idols, and then prayed to them, is exposed. How does the profuseness of idolaters shame the stubbornness of many who call themselves God's servants, but are for a religion which costs them nothing! The service of sin always costs a great deal. God puts it to them what senseless, helpless things idols are. Let, then, the Jews show themselves men, avoiding such abominations. Many Scripture prophecies, delivered long ago, are not yet fulfilled; but the fulfilling of some is an earnest that the rest will come to pass. Nothing can help more to make us easy, than to be assured that God will do all his pleasure. Even those who know not and mind not God's revealed will, are called and used to fulfil the counsels of his secret will. Heaven and earth shall pass away, sooner than one tittle of the word of God. Obstinate sinners are addressed. Such were far from acceptance, but they were summoned to hearken to the word of the Lord. The salvation of a sinner begins with a humble and contrite heart, that trembles at God's word, with godly sorrow working true repentance, and faith in his mercy, through the obedience unto death of our Divine Surety. Christ, as the Divine righteousness and salvation to his people, would come in the appointed time. His salvation abides in his church for all believers.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Calling a ravenous bird from the east - There can be no doubt that Cyrus is intended here (see the notes at Isaiah 41:2, Isaiah 41:25). The east here means Persia. The word rendered 'ravenous bird' (עיט ‛ayiṭ) is rendered 'fowl' in Job 28:7; 'bird' or 'birds' in Jeremiah 12:9; 'fowls' in Genesis 15:11; Isaiah 18:6; and 'ravenous birds' in Ezekiel 39:4. It does not occur elsewhere in the Bible. It is used here as an emblem of a warlike king, and the emblem may either denote the rapidity of his movements - moving with the flight of an eagle; or it may denote the devastation which he would spread - an emblem in either sense especially applicable to Cyrus. It is not uncommon in the Bible to compare a warlike prince to an eagle Jeremiah 49:22; Ezekiel 17:3; and the idea here is, probably, that Cyrus would come with great power and velocity upon nations, like the king of birds, and would pounce suddenly and unexpectedly upon his prey. Perhaps also there may be here allusion to the standard or banner of Cyrus. Xenophon (Cyrop. vii.) says that it was a golden eagle affixed to a long spear; and it is well remarked by Lowth, that Xenophon has used the very word which the prophet uses here, as near as could be, expressing it in Greek letters. The word of the prophet is עיט ‛ayiṭ; the Greek word used by Xenophon is ἀετὸς aetos. The Chaldee has, however, given a different rendering to this passage: 'I, who say that I will gather my captivity from the east, and will lead publicly like a swift bird from a distant land the sons of Abraham, my friend.'
The man that executeth my counsel - Margin, as Hebrew, 'Of my counsel.' It may either mean the man whom he had designated by his counsel; or it may mean the man who should execute his purpose.
Yea, I have spoken - He spake it by the prophets; and the idea is, that all that he had spoken should be certainly accomplished.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
11. ravenous bird—Cyrus so called on account of the rapidity of his marches from the distant regions of Persia to pounce on his prey (see on [820]Isa 41:2; [821]Isa 41:25; [822]Jer 49:22; [823]Eze 17:3). The standard of Cyrus, too, was a golden eagle on a spear (see the heathen historian, Xenophon, 7, where almost the same word is used, aetos, as here, ayit).
12. executeth my counsel—(Isa 44:28; 45:13). Babylon represents, mystically, the apostate faction: the destruction of its idols symbolizes the future general extirpation of all idolatry and unbelief.
purposed … also do it—(Isa 43:13).
Matthew Poole's Commentary
Calling a ravenous bird; Cyrus, called a bird for his swiftness and great expedition, and ravenous for his fierceness and victoriousness over his enemies.
From the east; from Persia, as Isaiah 41:2.
That executeth my counsel, concerning the deliverance of my people, and the destruction of their cruel oppressors, the Babylonians.
From a far country; from Persia, which was far from Babylon, but much farther from Judea.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Calling a ravenous bird from the east,.... Or "a flying fowl", or "swift winged bird" (u); for the word used does not so much denote rapaciousness as swiftness; which well agrees with Cyrus, who is here meant, and not Abraham, as Jarchi, nor Nebuchadnezzar, as others; and who was always swift in all his expeditions, and always recommended celerity and dispatch of business to his soldiers and others, as Xenophon (w) often observes; and very remarkable is that speech of Tigranes to him, in which he tells him (x), that he so far exceeded the king of Armenia in swiftness, that he came upon him with a great army, from a far country, before he could get his army together, which was just by him. And very observable are the words of Cyrus himself, who was desirous of being a thorough horseman, that he might seem to be , "a winged" or "flying man" (y) So the Targum here renders it, a swift bird. Aben Ezra, who interprets it of Cyrus, says he is so called, as if he flew to do the will of God; and Kimchi observes of Cyrus, that he has this name because he came swiftly, and in haste, as a bird that flies: and it is no unusual thing for a mighty monarch, or a general, marching with his army, to be compared to a flying bird, particularly an eagle, Jeremiah 48:40 and may be the bird intended here, which well suits with Cyrus, who had, as Plutarch (z) reports, an aquiline nose; hence men that have such noses, among the Persians, are highly esteemed: and Xenophon (a) says, that the standard of Cyrus was a golden eagle upon the top of a high spear, and which is retained by the kings of Persia. Cyrus is said to be called from the east, because, as Kimchi observes, his country lay to the east of Babylon: the man that executeth my counsel from afar country; as Persia was from Babylon, Assyria and other provinces lying between; but though he lived in a far country, and knew nothing of the affairs of the people of God in Babylon, or what work he was to do, yet God called him, and brought him to do his will, which he was ignorant of: so God sometimes puts into the hearts of men to fulfil his will, which they are strangers to, Revelation 17:17. It is in the Hebrew text, "the man of my counsel" (b); not with whom the Lord consulted, for none are of his counsel in this sense; but whom in his counsels, decrees, and purposes, he appointed to such service, and whom he made use of as an instrument to do his pleasure; see Isaiah 44:8.
yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass: I have purposed, I will also do it; the counsel of the Lord, concerning the deliverance of his people from Babylon, by the hand of Cyrus; this he had purposed in his own breast, had spoken of in prophecy, and would certainly perform. R. Joseph Kimchi interprets this verse of the Messiah, and so does Jerom, of whom, no doubt, Cyrus was a type; and what is here said agrees with him: he may be compared to a flying bird for his swiftness in coming at the appointed time; he came from the east, as the rising sun of righteousness; he was the man of God's counsel in the highest sense, and came, being called, to execute it; the work of redemption was according to the eternal purpose of God, and spoke of by all the holy prophets, and now accomplished; and his righteousness and salvation are made mention of in the following verses.
(u) "avem, a velocitate", Munster; so Vatablus; ab "in volando celeriter et cum impetu", Forerius; so Ben Melech says, Cyrus is surnamed a fowl, because of his great swiftness and haste to come to Babylon; though he observes that some say, that a ravenous fowl is called the singular may be put for the plural; so Cocceius renders it, "volucres", birds, and may design the whole army of Cyrus. (w) Cyropaedia, l. 1. c. 17. and l. 3. c. 6. and l. 6. c. 17. (x) Cyropaedia, l. 3. c. 2.((y) Ib. l. 4. c. 17. (z) In Apothegm. (a) Cyropaedia, l. 7. c. 1.((b) "virum mei consilii", Munster, Pagninus, Montanus; so according to the Keri: but the Cetib is , "the man of his counsel".
Geneva Study Bible
Calling a ravenous {i} bird from the east, the man that executeth my {k} counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also perform it.
(i) That is, Cyrus, who will come as swift as a bird and fight against Babylon.
(k) Him by whom I have appointed to execute that which I have determined.
EXEGETICAL (ORIGINAL LANGUAGES)
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
11. The supreme illustration of the foreknowledge and power of Jehovah is the raising up of Cyrus. Cyrus is compared to a ravenous bird on account of the celerity of his movements (ch. Isaiah 41:3), just as Nebuchadnezzar had been likened to an eagle (Jeremiah 49:22; Ezekiel 17:3). There can hardly be an allusion to the fact (if it be a fact) that the royal ensign of Persia was a golden eagle (Xenophon, Cyrop. vii. 1, 4).
from the east] Isaiah 41:2; Isaiah 41:25.
the man that executeth my counsel] Lit. as R.V. the man of my counsel (the consonantal text has “his counsel”). Not of course “my counsellor” (as in Isaiah 40:13), but in the sense expressed by the A.V.
I have purposed] Lit. I have formed, i.e. “foreordained,” as in ch. Isaiah 22:11, Isaiah 37:26.
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 11. - Calling a ravenous bird; rather, a bird of prey. The imagery is quite natural, and exactly parallel to that by which Nebuchadnezzar is termed "an eagle," both by Jeremiah (Jeremiah 49:22) and Ezekiel (Ezekiel 17:3). There is no need to suppose any allusion to the fact, if fact it be, that the Persians from the time of Cyrus had for a standard a golden eagle, with wings outspread, on the top of a spear-shaft (Xen., 'Cyrop.,' 7:1, § 4; 'Anab.,' 1:10, § 12). From the east (comp. Isaiah 41:2, 25). Both Persia and Susiana, which were the primary seats of the power of Cyrus, lay to the east of Babylon, the latter due east, the former somewhat to the south-east. Even Media might, according to Hebrew usage, be described as east, though lying almost due north-east. Isaiah 46:11
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
The second admonition is addressed to those who would imitate the heathen. "Remember this, and become firm, take it to heart, ye rebellious ones! Remember the beginning from the olden time, that I am God, and none else: Deity, and absolutely none like me: proclaiming the issue from the beginning, and from ancient times what has not yet taken place, saying, My counsel shall stand, and all my good pleasure I carry out: calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a distant land: not only have I spoken, I also bring it; I have purposed it, I also execute it." The object to which "this" points back is the nothingness of idols and idolatry. The persons addressed are the פושׁעים (those apostatizing), but, as התאשׁשׁוּ shows, whether it mean ἀνδιρίζεσθε or κραταιοῦσθε (1 Corinthians 16:13), such as have not yet actually carried out their rebellion or apostasy, but waver between Jehovahism and heathenism, and are inclined to the latter. התאשׁשׁו is hardly a denom. hithpalel of אישׁ in the sense of "man yourselves," since אישׁ, whether it signifies a husband or a social being, or like אנושׁ, a frail or mortal being, is at any rate equivalent to אנשׁ, and therefore never shows the modification u. אשׁשׁ (אשׁה) signifies to be firm, strong, compact; in the piel (rabb.), to be well-grounded; nithpael, to be fortified, established; here hithpoel, "show yourselves firm" (Targ., Jer.: fundamini ne rursum subitus idololatriae vos turbo subvertat). That they may strengthen themselves in faith and fidelity, they are referred to the history of their nation; ראשׁנות are not prophecies given at an earlier time - a meaning which the priora only acquire in such a connection as Isaiah 43:9 - but former occurrences. They are to pass before their minds the earlier history, and indeed "from the olden time." "Remember:" zikhrū is connected with the accusative of the object of remembrance, and כּי points to its result. An earnest and thoughtful study of history would show them that Jehovah alone was El, the absolutely Mighty One, and 'Elōhı̄m, the Being who united in Himself all divine majesty by which reverence was evoked. The participles in Isaiah 46:10, Isaiah 46:11 are attached to the "I" of כּמוני. It is Jehovah, the Incomparable, who has now, as at other times from the very commencement of the new turn in history, predicted the issue of which it would lead, and miqqedem, i.e., long before, predicted things that have not yet occurred, and which therefore lit outside the sphere of human combination - another passage like Isaiah 41:26; Isaiah 45:21, etc., in which what is predicted in these prophecies lays claim to the character of a prediction of long standing, and not of one merely uttered a few years before. The ראשׁית, in which the ראשׁנות are already in progress (Isaiah 42:9), is to be regarded as the prophet's ideal present; for Jehovah not only foretells before the appearance of Cyrus what is to be expected of him, but declares that His determination must be realized, that He will bring to pass everything upon which His will is set, and summons the man upon the stage of history as the instrument of its accomplishment, so that He knew Cyrus before he himself had either consciousness or being (Isaiah 45:4-5). The east is Persis (Isaiah 41:2); and the distant land, the northern part of Media (as in Isaiah 13:5). Cyrus is called an eagle, or, strictly speaking, a bird of prey (‛ayit),
(Note: The resemblance to ἀετός (αἰετός) is merely accidental. This name for the eagle is traceable, like avid, to a root vâ, to move with the swiftness of the wind. This was shown by Passow, compare Kuhn's Zeitschrift, i. 29, where we also find at 10, 126 another but less probable derivation from a root i, to go (compare eva, a course).)
just as in Jeremiah 49:22 and Ezekiel 17:3 Nebuchadnezzar is called a nesher. According to Cyrop. vii. 1, 4, the campaign of Cyrus was ἀετὸς χρυσοῦς ἐπὶ δόρατος μακροῦ ἀνατεταμένος. Instead of עצתו אישׁ, the keri reads more clearly, though quite unnecessarily, (עצתי אישׁ (see e.g., Isaiah 44:26). The correlate אף (Isaiah 46:11), which is only attached to the second verb the second time, affirms that Jehovah does not only the one, but the other also. His word is made by Him into a deed, His idea into a reality. יצר is a word used particularly by Isaiah, to denote the ideal preformation of the future in the mind of God (cf., Isaiah 22:11; Isaiah 37:26). The feminine suffixes refer in a neuter sense to the theme of the prophecy - the overthrow of idolatrous Babel, upon which Cyrus comes down like an eagle, in the strength of Jehovah. So far we have the nota bene for those who are inclined to apostasy. They are to lay to heart the nothingness of the heathen gods, and, on the other hand, the self-manifestation of Jehovah from the olden time, that is to say, of the One God who is now foretelling and carrying out the destruction of the imperial city through the eagle from the east.