Job Bautista undying misinterpretation: Jesus not God Theory

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God Gave Them Knowledge

Watch a short film about Daniel's Knowledge and skill by observing the Laws of that was given to them by the Lord. They were blessed because of obedience.

Daniel Interprets the Kings Nebuchadnezzar Dream. See Daniel 1-2.


Daniel 1
17 ¶ As for these four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
18 Now at the end of the days that the king had said he should bring them in, then the prince of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar.
19 And the king communed with them; and among them all was found none like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: therefore stood they before the king.
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And in all matters of wisdom and understanding, that the king inquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm.

Beautiful Tiny Moth

Joseph Smith Polygamy: Fanny Alger

I suppose to post this last July 6, 2021 but I withhold it for some reason that I would like to add some source regarding Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger relationship and some controversy. Here is a video from Saints Unscripted might be of help and I would add some of sources if I could collect the entire event. Anyway, enjoy -

Job Bautista's Alas referencing the Book of Mormon

Neil Andi Anderson: a Bigoted Minister who posted a trash long been debunk - Levi Lewis Story

Let's try to see one of the trash that has been recycled by one of our INC friends who loves to post trash that makes them look dumb. Let's dive into his post -
 
He said Levi Lewis was Joseph's
Right Hand who knows
Joseph Personally.
Honestly, I never even heard
this guy was his right hand.
See how this Neil Andi Anderson
Love to tell lies and deceive
just to get converts to their
INC cult doctrine.

And here's a full text of his claim -

Oh, really? And how many anti-Mormon
trash will you still keep in your pocket.
This one has been proven already
and you still keep it for a reference?

Nice try, but not good enough. You should dig deeper to it. And every claim seems so absurd without any second witness to prove. Here is a link to that claim from FAIRLDS -

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Question:_Did_Levi_Lewis_claim_that_Joseph_tried_to_seduce_Eliza_Winters_in_1830%3F

Simply, you are misinformed and try to think I'm not aware of any of that. Sorry, not a good source to deceive. Better luck next time.


INC: A Church who teaches to be Rude and Childish.

Part 1 - Neil Andi Anderson: Responding False Claim

“Do not let arrogance go to your head and despair to your heart;
do not let compliments go to your head and criticisms to your heart;
do not let success go to your head and failure to your heart.”
– Roy T. Bennett

Alright, I will answer you straight, and let's try to understand the certain points of your claim and compare them biblical.

Jerry Nuñez Bustillo Jerry boy, di mo kasi alam kung ano ang nangyari sa unang Iglesia ni Cristo,

Wrong Assumption, I do know the history of Apostasy and how the church will be restored in the last days. Paul clearly says that and here I gave you example.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Do you think I didn't know that Neil? Your rudeness leads you to your arrogant and it seems you need a better life.

siguro naduling ka dahil sa aral ni Junjun Smith.

Surely no sir and don't add your arrogance here, if you think you can control me on your bigotry, try it a little bit harder.

Matagal na itong ipinangaral ng INC ang pagtatalikod sa unang Iglesia at kung saliksikin man natin itong mabuti mismo ang mga autoridad Katoliko ang magpapatunay sa pamamagitan ng history of the early father of the Catholic Church.

Too, lame Catholic Church could never trace there authority and if they do have, this will prove that INC were just an impostor who disguise in sheep clothing. You can't just include catholic without a proper authority tracing, it will end up your church is false who just branches on the same source.

Huwag mong isipin na lumitaw na iyong mormon niyo na ayon sa inyo ay isinulat noong 600 na taon bago lumitaw ang Iglesia sa Jerusalem.

We never told that story, and we never claim we are ahead of Christ Church, but rather the church and the gospel was restored through his servants the prophets. This too much assumption seem ignorant to the truth. You simply cant proclaim the truth because of your arrogance.

Itatak mo sa isip mo iyan ay isang fiction sa mga taong walang magawa sa buhay. Have you think that same question lately Neil?

Have you ever think that Manalo was just a con man tricked you in his own understanding about his own knowledge on scriptures without any guidance from heaven? Your too childish to suggest something youd never done.

Itatak mo sa utak mo bago natapos ang bagong testamento kay Cristo ay hindi umabot ng isang daang taon.

This prove that you don't know a thing. You talk about apostasy but you never knew how long it take before it was restored. After the prophets and Apostles died because of persecutions what happens next to it? Your ideology about Apostasy is not deep enough to know the entire truth and yet you claim you know such thing. Just as I said, you're arrogant to know the truth. Ill give you a short information from wiki to know more about apostasy. Be sure to read and understand it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy

Paano pa kaya itong si Junjun noong 1800 na may kodego na siya sa pag-gawa sa nitong imbentong libro niya.

Empty Accusation, this truly tells us that INC are good at lying, they just lie just to lead and brainwash people away from the truth and he think I didn't know such thing. Here's a short video to your lying and deceiving if it is true. Check all of it to make sure your know such thing before posting a lie.

If you think you had the truth, then give some sources rather posting lies that didn't even too close to an actual event.

Kaya madali niyang magawa ito.

If you think so, then where's your source? EMPTY right?

Kaya makilala natin ang kanyang sinasabi na itoy mula lamang sa kanyang pag-iisip dahil ang bibliya din ang magtutuklas na siyay sa diyablo, Balikan natin kung ano ang nangyari sa iglesia ni Cristo at ito bay may panukala na mula ng mga apostoles. Ito ang sinabi ni apostol Pablo:,

Okay, so let's go and compare your understanding scriptural to scriptural and see if you have the truth.

"Huwag kayong padaya kanino man sa anomang paraan: sapagka't ito'y hindi darating, maliban nang dumating ang pagtatalikod, at mahayag ang taong makasalanan, ang anak ng kapahamakan" (2Tes.2:3) Ano po ang babala ni Apostol Pablo? Di pa dumating ang Cristo may darating una ang pagtatalikod sa iglesia ni Cristo.

Yeah I know, I already posted that, but the thing is you don't know how the apostasy happen, just simply copy and paste source from your very own INC Media. Nothing more nothing less.

Kaya hindi totoo sa sinabi mo utoy Jerry na may iglesia ni Cristo nay itoy mula sa 33AD.

Wrong! First of All, I never said anything that there was IGLESIA NI CHRISTO 33 AD, but rather I posted a picture comparing Church of Christ and INC of which church was true since Job Bautista's stupid study claim the true church carries it's name. So I give the Church of Christ 33 AD and post a picture and compare it. But what happens next was that this arrogant seems to think that I claim it, rather trying to brought a question as to which is which should I join. See how arrogant you are Neil? Second of All, Christ already Build his church and it was never about the name church game, Christ never said anything about the only church name Christian should use or else they will be damn. But rather he gave authorities to some twelve to declare his Gospel to every Nation, Kindred and Tongue. See the difference? You're too focus on name game, but never realized how true Manalo receive the authority and when did God gave him that rights and revelation. I would rather believe Quiboloy's story than this INC Failure Stories.

Wala na po iyon dahil ang Iglesia ni Cristo dahil itoy nahihitalikod di na natin magigisnan iyon kundi Iglesia Katolika. Kaya ang propesiya ni Apostol Pablo ay natupad.

For sure it was, and for sure INC was not involve in the prophesy. Prove me wrong.

Pero may pangako ang Cristo nawala man ang kawan dahil itoy lubhang inuusig at napapasukan sa mga huwad na mangangaral. Ang pangako ay nanatili na may ibang tupa ang Panginoon na di kasali sa kawan noong unang siglo na sabi niya dadalhin din niya ito “At mayroon pa akong ibang mga tupa, na hindi sa kulungang ito: sila'y kailangan din ... Samakatuwid, ang kawan ay ang Iglesia Ni Cristo. (Juan10:16)

Wrong! Christ did never tell such story as the fulfillment of the INC in the Philippines. Things you should know first before going to this story. First, the Gospel was never yet introduce to the Gentile nation during Christ proclamation. Christ even disregard preaching to the nation those time. See for example his instruction to the twelve in preaching the Gospel during their time.
Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
which means during Christ ministry, the gospel was not yet instructed and introduced to the gentile nation not until after his death in which the instruction were given to preach to the nation or to gentile, and Philippines is a gentile nation and more accurately during those times Philippine doesn't have any Christianity background. So the question here.
  • Why are you INC people, deceived this kind of information to someone who were weak to realized the truth was covered by your lying?
  • How long you people keep that kind of scheme?
And second, He meant about the other sheep not his fold. The other sheep simply mean people who already believe in him but unfortunately not in Jerusalem. Yes, Philippines is not in Jerusalem, but do they already know during Christ Proclamation. There are other Lost Sheep of the House of Israel as Christ said earlier and Philippines is not in the House of Israel but a Gentile nation. See how you people understand the scripture differently and lying to some people who never knew about the scriptures. This is so devilish and a self-proclaim practices of a cult claiming they are the one's who were prophesied by simply twisting the truth.

Ito din ang kawan na tinubos ni Cristo sa pamamagitan ng kanyang dugo.

Fail! Don't even think of anything that you can't trace your authority from heaven. You people are stuck to your bigotry. Don't fool on me and tell me I knew nothing of your teachings. And please, stop doing that Arrogant name calling. You're too old enough to act too childish.

Kaya utoy Jerry di po magbabago ang pangalan mananatili itong Iglesia ni Cristo.

Fail! it's not about Church Name Game it is all about authority, you people can't trace your authority from God, not even Felix Manalo can tell you his side of story that God talks to him and directed him about the truth. So, if you think it was about names, you keep your business name to somewhere else, it has nothing to do about Christianity.

Kaya sabi ko sa iyo na ito ang ikatlong bahagi sa kawan na itinayo ni Cristo.

There is no such thing as Third Part as the Philippines, the third part was mentioned in the bible were no other than the remnant of the house of Judah. You people are slicing the same Brand of Cake and claim it is of the other brand and deceive someone to eat it. No, not me and if you want to prove me about it. just bring it on and I will show you how wrong your understanding about the scriptures.

Ang aral o ebanghelyo ay walang pagbabago, di po totoo na pwede bagohin ang aral dahil ang sugo sa 1800 ay isang manyakis at dapat pagbigyan ng kanilang Diyos.

And see how arrogant you are, making a claim without anything to prove is so arrogant and will just divert it just to have the bright side in you. Too weak Neil and you'll never learn. Stop acting like you know such thing and claim you belong to some certain group when you're not. Your lying won't work.

Walang katotohanan iyan utoy Jerry.

Really, and where do you think I could find it? In INC? Sorry, Try Again.

Uulitin ko po ang INC na mula sa 1914 ay tinubos din sa pamamagitan ng dugo ng ating Panginoong Jesus. (Act20:28)

Every Church can claim that, not just INC 1914 and in fact you Messenger Felix Manalo did not even declare he has that authority to preach that the only church was redeemed was the INC. He can't prove that, he can't even prove he has revelation receive from heaven to declare such thing. So much of a false Messenger.

Di po kasali ang mormon dito dahil exclusive lang ito sa INC.

How Childish, and How many Churches in General agree to that childish claim. You are too naive and will never learn anything from the scriptures with bigotry. The only thing you can do to let go of that INC cult doctrine is to center your study on the scriptures and stop referencing it to your Man made doctrine. You will never learn to embrace the truth with that kind of attitude.

Family Bonding in LioZealand (Liozon Palauig Zambales)

Ito ang isa sa pinaka-special na family moments namin sa Liozon, or “Liozealand,” dahil sa beautiful green scenery nito. Simple lang ang trip, pero puno ng masasayang alaala, bonding, at quality time together. Mas naging meaningful ito dahil ito na pala ang last family memory namin kasama si Nanay Ising bago siya pumanaw.

Also, every photo reminds us of the love, happiness, and precious time we shared. Someday, we hope to return to Liozon, not only to enjoy its peaceful beauty, but also to remember Nanay Ising and the wonderful memories we made together.

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Chiasmus: Genesis 7:19-24

Another Chiasmus that I'd study and this time in Genesis 7:19-24. See the line below and how inverted Parallelism was relevant in ancient Writings which is found in the Book of Mormon. This time I'll post some text in the old testament, see below - 

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And
all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22
All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23
And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24
And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.


Structures below - 


a) And the waters prevailed... upon the earth;...
   b) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth...
      c) fowl... 
         d) cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing
            e) every man:
               f) All in whose nostrils was the breath of life,... died.
               f) And every living substance was destroyed
            e) both man
         d) cattle, and the creeping things
      c) fowl...
    b) they were destroyed from the earth:...
a) And the waters prevailed upon the earth

There are also minor Chiasmus in that text which I did not include here, you can have it on your Personal Study. 

More Chiasmus will be coming soon after my Study. Thank you for your view and have a great day. 

A Prayer for the Afflicted Saints

A Prayer for the Afflicted Saints
Teaching of the Joseph Smith Jr.

Now hear the prayer of your unworthy brother in the new and everlasting covenant:—O my God!3 Thou who hast called and chosen a few,4 through Thy weak instrument by commandment, and sent them to Missouri, a place which Thou didst call Zion, and commanded Thy servants to consecrate5 it unto Thyself for a place of refuge and safety6 for the gathering of Thy Saints,7 to be built up a holy city unto Thyself;8 and as Thou hast said that no other place should be appointed9 like unto this, therefore, I ask Thee in the name of Jesus Christ,10 to return Thy people unto their houses and their inheritances, to enjoy the fruit of their labors;11 that all the waste places may be built up;12 that all the enemies of Thy people,13 who will not repent and turn unto Thee,14 may be destroyed from off the face of the land;15 and let a house be built and established unto Thy name;16 and let all the losses that Thy people have sustained, be rewarded unto them, even more than four-fold,17 that the borders of Zion may be enlarged forever;18 and let her be established no more to be thrown down;19 and let all Thy Saints, when they are scattered as sheep,20 and are persecuted, flee unto Zion,21 and be established in the midst of her;22 and let her be organized23 according to Thy law; and let this prayer ever be recorded before Thy face. Give Thy Holy Spirit unto my brethren,24 unto whom I write; send Thine angels to guard them,25 and deliver them from all evil;26 and when they turn their faces toward Zion, and bow down before Thee and pray, may their sins never come up before Thy face;27 neither have place in the book of Thy remembrance;28 and may they depart from all their iniquities.29 Provide food for them as Thou doest for the ravens;30 provide clothing to cover their nakedness,31 and houses that they may dwell32 therein; give unto them friends in abundance, and let their names be recorded in the Lamb’s book of life,33 eternally before Thy face.34 Amen.

Finally, brethren, the grace of our Lord35 Jesus Christ be with you all until His coming in His kingdom.36 Amen.

JOSEPH SMITH, JUN.—DHC 1:453–456.

3. Ezra 9:6; Psalm 22:2;  Daniel 9:18; Alma 31:28
4. D&C 95:5; 121:34
5. D&C 58:57; 85:1; 124:44
6. D&C 45:66; 124:10, 109
7. D&C 57:1; 101:20, 64, 70
8. Isaiah 48:2; 52:1; 60:14; Ether 13:8; D&C 63:49; 109:58; 115:7; 133:56; Moses 7:62
9. D&C 101:20
10. Moroni 4:3 D&C 20:79; 109:4; Moses 7:50
11. D&C 6:31
12. D&C 101:75
13. Deuteronomy 33:27 Psalm 143:12; D&C 105:15
14. Helaman 13:11
15. Deuteronomy 6:15;  Amos 9:8;  Jarom 1:3, 10
16. D&C 84:5, 31; 95:13–17; 97:10, 12
17. 2 Samuel 12:6;  Luke 19:8; D&C 98:26, 44, 47; 124:71
18. Moroni 10:31
19. D&C 103:13
20. 1 Kings 22:17;  Jeremiah 50:17;  Ezekiel 34:6, 12
21. D&C 133:12
22. 3 Nephi 20:22; D&C 103:35
23. D&C 104:48
24. Luke 11:13
25. D&C 84:42, 88; 103:20; 109:22
26. Matthew 6:13
27. Psalm 51:9; 3 Nephi 9:11;  Moroni 9:15
28. D&C 85:9
29. 2 Timothy 2:19
30. Job 38:41
31. Exodus 28:42
32. Psalm 23:6; Ether 12:32
33. D&C 132:19;  Revelations 21:27
34. Psalm 41:12; Acts 2:25;  Moses 7:31
35. Romans 16:24
36. Matthew 16:28

Job Bautista to Crisandra Sambrano Villanueva : Assumption

Neil Andi Anderson: Bigots failure 1

Let's see how Neil Andi Anderson Got the right biblical doctrine and their so-called prophecy of Felix Manalo. Already without wasting too much time let's dive in. Comments are in red -

(Responding to someone, Name withheld) Nasa propesiya po, di lang isa ang propesiya tungkol kay FYM kundi maraming propesiya tungkol sa taong nagmula sa halayong silangan o Pilipinas kung tatawagin sa ating panahon. So he's saying that it is not just one prophecy but there are a couple of Prophecies about Felix yet on our previous review it wasn't a prophecy about him. He fail miserably about it and yet still insist it was Felix Manalo or the Church of Christ in the Philippines. Alright, let try and see how he made that claim. Di lang matanggap sa tao ang mga panukala tungkol sa kanya. Kung sa panahon man ni Cristo marami ding mga Hudyo na hindi naniwala kay Jesus paano pa kaya kay FYM na siyay isang hamak na tao na mula lamang sa hindi mayamang bansa? Pero ang mga panukala ay natupad at ang lahat ng pangako tungkol sa kanyang bayan na sabi ng bibliya na isang "bayang di pinabayaan" Now, he tries to compare Felix Prophecy like Christ who was rejected in his own land, and there's a catch, the so-called prophecy and promises about him was fulfilled. 🤔? where in the world was it fulfilled? I don't see one but rather a self claim prophecy using biblical text that has nothing to do about him. 

At tatawagin nila sila Ang banal na bayan, Ang tinubos ng Panginoon: at ikaw ay tatawagin Hinanap, Bayang hindi pinabayaan. (Isaias 62:12 TLAB) Kaya di maiikubli na ang INC ngayon ay siyang pinakamabilis na lumago na kahit sa panahon ng pandemic itoy nakakapag-aning maraming kaluluwa.  Are you sure about that? 🤔 The promise of God has already done to His own nation. Which nation are you referring to? 🇮🇱 or 🇵🇭 

Isaiah's word about the covenanted people Israel was promised to be redeemed, during Isaiah's time Israel was in bondage but the Lord never forsake his people. Though the verse is Generally saying something about the future even of the Covenanted people and the redemption they received after all the hardships. So the question is, does it says something about INC in the Philippines? Just because the word was used such as "end of the world", "the City not forsaken", "the Holy People" it doesn't mean the people in the Philippines, I am patriotic but I would never claim it is the country that I would suggest to someone in terms of biblical study. It is too poor to claim and argue with a valid source of study. Here' the complete words from Isaiah 62:10-12 and see for yourself and take note of the Word that they always use as their basis. It'll be easier to understand the context if you start from the very beginning of the chapter, you'll realize that it was addressed to the people of Israel as the Lord's Covenanted People.

10 ¶ Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.

11 Behold, the Lord hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the Lord: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

At madali mong makilala ang totoong sugo dahil sa kanyang mga turo dahil lahat itoy nakasulat sa banal na kasulatan walang dagdag o binabawasan. Miserably Fail, Christ said by their fruits ye shall know them, it is not about by their preachings. Everyone can claim they have the right doctrine and they taught everything in the Bible as their source of teaching, but what about the calling and right authority? Neil just don't know what the scripture was all about, he simply missed the important detail to know the Prophets if it is of God or the Devil. Nice try but try a little bit harder next time. Ihambing mo sa mga nag-aangkin diyan na may mga propeta daw sila pero kung sukatin man nating ang kanilang mga itinuro ay lubhang kultotismo ang dating, minsan naakit ang mga taong marupok sa pagsusuot ng kanilang miracle bahag. And here goes the Red Herring Fallacy, He assumes that garments as his main concern were unbiblical, seriously? You try to mix up something that focused the attention on different subjects. Nice diversion though, but sorry, your concern is already answered, I'll post that here and call your attention to it in my next post. Kaya dito lang sa kanilang mga inaawit ay nakakatawa na. 🙄 Seems like your running out of Criticisms. The best thing that a fool can give is to fool himself. Sorry, I'm not one of yours. Kaya kayong naakit sa mormonismo, we are inviting you to listen what the INC had preached and compare it in your cult church. If I'm not a Mormon and happened to read this kind of senseless junk, I would rather choose a different religion than listening to a childish talk. No thanks. 

My response to his post.
Change my mind.
But he can't.

Twisting the Verses and Deceive: Job Bautista's Study of Isaiah 43:5-6 and 41:9

Isaiah's Prophecy of the Ravenous Bird from the East.

Alright, so let's get it on. I'll be posting commentaries and scholarly studies of Isaiah's words. I posted this to one of our friends that insisted on his understanding of Isaiah's prophecy and by this time I'll repost it from our friend Job Bautista and Neil Andi Anderson. So let's take a look and put them on a test. So, here's my word below addressing Policarpio. (The Colored Text are Commentaries)

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Policarpio Procopio 

I don't want to make a new thread since this address on the same issue. But I can't comment on other OP. I learned that you read lots of books from scholars. Let's try how do they understand about your claim. Let's use this thread instead so we can have it in just one place.

Isaiah 46:11 

Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

(11) Calling a ravenous bird.—Cyrus is thus described as Nebuchadnezzar is in Jeremiah 49:22; Ezekiel 17:3. The image derives a special significance from the fact that the standard borne by Cyrus and his successors was a golden eagle (Xen., Cyrop. vii. 1. 4; Anab. i. 10, 12). (Comp. also Matthew 24:28; Luke 17:37.) The “sun-rising” is, of course, Persia; the “far country” probably represents Media.

I have spoken.—The word of Jehovah passes, unlike that of the false gods, into a certain and immediate act.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

46:5-13 Here the folly of those who made idols, and then prayed to them, is exposed. How does the profuseness of idolaters shame the stubbornness of many who call themselves God's servants, but are for a religion which costs them nothing! The service of sin always costs a great deal. God puts it to them what senseless, helpless things idols are. Let, then, the Jews show themselves men, avoiding such abominations. Many Scripture prophecies, delivered long ago, are not yet fulfilled; but the fulfilling of some is an earnest that the rest will come to pass. Nothing can help more to make us easy, than to be assured that God will do all his pleasure. Even those who know not and mind not God's revealed will, are called and used to fulfil the counsels of his secret will. Heaven and earth shall pass away, sooner than one tittle of the word of God. Obstinate sinners are addressed. Such were far from acceptance, but they were summoned to hearken to the word of the Lord. The salvation of a sinner begins with a humble and contrite heart, that trembles at God's word, with godly sorrow working true repentance, and faith in his mercy, through the obedience unto death of our Divine Surety. Christ, as the Divine righteousness and salvation to his people, would come in the appointed time. His salvation abides in his church for all believers.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

Calling a ravenous bird from the east - There can be no doubt that Cyrus is intended here (see the notes at Isaiah 41:2, Isaiah 41:25). The east here means Persia. The word rendered 'ravenous bird' (עיט ‛ayiṭ) is rendered 'fowl' in Job 28:7; 'bird' or 'birds' in Jeremiah 12:9; 'fowls' in Genesis 15:11; Isaiah 18:6; and 'ravenous birds' in Ezekiel 39:4. It does not occur elsewhere in the Bible. It is used here as an emblem of a warlike king, and the emblem may either denote the rapidity of his movements - moving with the flight of an eagle; or it may denote the devastation which he would spread - an emblem in either sense especially applicable to Cyrus. It is not uncommon in the Bible to compare a warlike prince to an eagle Jeremiah 49:22; Ezekiel 17:3; and the idea here is, probably, that Cyrus would come with great power and velocity upon nations, like the king of birds, and would pounce suddenly and unexpectedly upon his prey. Perhaps also there may be here allusion to the standard or banner of Cyrus. Xenophon (Cyrop. vii.) says that it was a golden eagle affixed to a long spear; and it is well remarked by Lowth, that Xenophon has used the very word which the prophet uses here, as near as could be, expressing it in Greek letters. The word of the prophet is עיט ‛ayiṭ; the Greek word used by Xenophon is ἀετὸς aetos. The Chaldee has, however, given a different rendering to this passage: 'I, who say that I will gather my captivity from the east, and will lead publicly like a swift bird from a distant land the sons of Abraham, my friend.'

The man that executeth my counsel - Margin, as Hebrew, 'Of my counsel.' It may either mean the man whom he had designated by his counsel; or it may mean the man who should execute his purpose.

Yea, I have spoken - He spake it by the prophets; and the idea is, that all that he had spoken should be certainly accomplished.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

11. ravenous bird—Cyrus so called on account of the rapidity of his marches from the distant regions of Persia to pounce on his prey (see on [820]Isa 41:2; [821]Isa 41:25; [822]Jer 49:22; [823]Eze 17:3). The standard of Cyrus, too, was a golden eagle on a spear (see the heathen historian, Xenophon, 7, where almost the same word is used, aetos, as here, ayit).

12. executeth my counsel—(Isa 44:28; 45:13). Babylon represents, mystically, the apostate faction: the destruction of its idols symbolizes the future general extirpation of all idolatry and unbelief.

purposed … also do it—(Isa 43:13).

Matthew Poole's Commentary

Calling a ravenous bird; Cyrus, called a bird for his swiftness and great expedition, and ravenous for his fierceness and victoriousness over his enemies.

From the east; from Persia, as Isaiah 41:2.

That executeth my counsel, concerning the deliverance of my people, and the destruction of their cruel oppressors, the Babylonians.

From a far country; from Persia, which was far from Babylon, but much farther from Judea.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Calling a ravenous bird from the east,.... Or "a flying fowl", or "swift winged bird" (u); for the word used does not so much denote rapaciousness as swiftness; which well agrees with Cyrus, who is here meant, and not Abraham, as Jarchi, nor Nebuchadnezzar, as others; and who was always swift in all his expeditions, and always recommended celerity and dispatch of business to his soldiers and others, as Xenophon (w) often observes; and very remarkable is that speech of Tigranes to him, in which he tells him (x), that he so far exceeded the king of Armenia in swiftness, that he came upon him with a great army, from a far country, before he could get his army together, which was just by him. And very observable are the words of Cyrus himself, who was desirous of being a thorough horseman, that he might seem to be , "a winged" or "flying man" (y) So the Targum here renders it, a swift bird. Aben Ezra, who interprets it of Cyrus, says he is so called, as if he flew to do the will of God; and Kimchi observes of Cyrus, that he has this name because he came swiftly, and in haste, as a bird that flies: and it is no unusual thing for a mighty monarch, or a general, marching with his army, to be compared to a flying bird, particularly an eagle, Jeremiah 48:40 and may be the bird intended here, which well suits with Cyrus, who had, as Plutarch (z) reports, an aquiline nose; hence men that have such noses, among the Persians, are highly esteemed: and Xenophon (a) says, that the standard of Cyrus was a golden eagle upon the top of a high spear, and which is retained by the kings of Persia. Cyrus is said to be called from the east, because, as Kimchi observes, his country lay to the east of Babylon: the man that executeth my counsel from afar country; as Persia was from Babylon, Assyria and other provinces lying between; but though he lived in a far country, and knew nothing of the affairs of the people of God in Babylon, or what work he was to do, yet God called him, and brought him to do his will, which he was ignorant of: so God sometimes puts into the hearts of men to fulfil his will, which they are strangers to, Revelation 17:17. It is in the Hebrew text, "the man of my counsel" (b); not with whom the Lord consulted, for none are of his counsel in this sense; but whom in his counsels, decrees, and purposes, he appointed to such service, and whom he made use of as an instrument to do his pleasure; see Isaiah 44:8.

yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass: I have purposed, I will also do it; the counsel of the Lord, concerning the deliverance of his people from Babylon, by the hand of Cyrus; this he had purposed in his own breast, had spoken of in prophecy, and would certainly perform. R. Joseph Kimchi interprets this verse of the Messiah, and so does Jerom, of whom, no doubt, Cyrus was a type; and what is here said agrees with him: he may be compared to a flying bird for his swiftness in coming at the appointed time; he came from the east, as the rising sun of righteousness; he was the man of God's counsel in the highest sense, and came, being called, to execute it; the work of redemption was according to the eternal purpose of God, and spoke of by all the holy prophets, and now accomplished; and his righteousness and salvation are made mention of in the following verses.

(u) "avem, a velocitate", Munster; so Vatablus; ab "in volando celeriter et cum impetu", Forerius; so Ben Melech says, Cyrus is surnamed a fowl, because of his great swiftness and haste to come to Babylon; though he observes that some say, that a ravenous fowl is called the singular may be put for the plural; so Cocceius renders it, "volucres", birds, and may design the whole army of Cyrus. (w) Cyropaedia, l. 1. c. 17. and l. 3. c. 6. and l. 6. c. 17. (x) Cyropaedia, l. 3. c. 2.((y) Ib. l. 4. c. 17. (z) In Apothegm. (a) Cyropaedia, l. 7. c. 1.((b) "virum mei consilii", Munster, Pagninus, Montanus; so according to the Keri: but the Cetib is , "the man of his counsel".

Geneva Study Bible

Calling a ravenous {i} bird from the east, the man that executeth my {k} counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also perform it.

(i) That is, Cyrus, who will come as swift as a bird and fight against Babylon.

(k) Him by whom I have appointed to execute that which I have determined.

EXEGETICAL (ORIGINAL LANGUAGES)

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

11. The supreme illustration of the foreknowledge and power of Jehovah is the raising up of Cyrus. Cyrus is compared to a ravenous bird on account of the celerity of his movements (ch. Isaiah 41:3), just as Nebuchadnezzar had been likened to an eagle (Jeremiah 49:22; Ezekiel 17:3). There can hardly be an allusion to the fact (if it be a fact) that the royal ensign of Persia was a golden eagle (Xenophon, Cyrop. vii. 1, 4).

from the east] Isaiah 41:2; Isaiah 41:25.

the man that executeth my counsel] Lit. as R.V. the man of my counsel (the consonantal text has “his counsel”). Not of course “my counsellor” (as in Isaiah 40:13), but in the sense expressed by the A.V.

I have purposed] Lit. I have formed, i.e. “foreordained,” as in ch. Isaiah 22:11, Isaiah 37:26.

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 11. - Calling a ravenous bird; rather, a bird of prey. The imagery is quite natural, and exactly parallel to that by which Nebuchadnezzar is termed "an eagle," both by Jeremiah (Jeremiah 49:22) and Ezekiel (Ezekiel 17:3). There is no need to suppose any allusion to the fact, if fact it be, that the Persians from the time of Cyrus had for a standard a golden eagle, with wings outspread, on the top of a spear-shaft (Xen., 'Cyrop.,' 7:1, § 4; 'Anab.,' 1:10, § 12). From the east (comp. Isaiah 41:2, 25). Both Persia and Susiana, which were the primary seats of the power of Cyrus, lay to the east of Babylon, the latter due east, the former somewhat to the south-east. Even Media might, according to Hebrew usage, be described as east, though lying almost due north-east. Isaiah 46:11

Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament

The second admonition is addressed to those who would imitate the heathen. "Remember this, and become firm, take it to heart, ye rebellious ones! Remember the beginning from the olden time, that I am God, and none else: Deity, and absolutely none like me: proclaiming the issue from the beginning, and from ancient times what has not yet taken place, saying, My counsel shall stand, and all my good pleasure I carry out: calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a distant land: not only have I spoken, I also bring it; I have purposed it, I also execute it." The object to which "this" points back is the nothingness of idols and idolatry. The persons addressed are the פושׁעים (those apostatizing), but, as התאשׁשׁוּ shows, whether it mean ἀνδιρίζεσθε or κραταιοῦσθε (1 Corinthians 16:13), such as have not yet actually carried out their rebellion or apostasy, but waver between Jehovahism and heathenism, and are inclined to the latter. התאשׁשׁו is hardly a denom. hithpalel of אישׁ in the sense of "man yourselves," since אישׁ, whether it signifies a husband or a social being, or like אנושׁ, a frail or mortal being, is at any rate equivalent to אנשׁ, and therefore never shows the modification u. אשׁשׁ (אשׁה) signifies to be firm, strong, compact; in the piel (rabb.), to be well-grounded; nithpael, to be fortified, established; here hithpoel, "show yourselves firm" (Targ., Jer.: fundamini ne rursum subitus idololatriae vos turbo subvertat). That they may strengthen themselves in faith and fidelity, they are referred to the history of their nation; ראשׁנות are not prophecies given at an earlier time - a meaning which the priora only acquire in such a connection as Isaiah 43:9 - but former occurrences. They are to pass before their minds the earlier history, and indeed "from the olden time." "Remember:" zikhrū is connected with the accusative of the object of remembrance, and כּי points to its result. An earnest and thoughtful study of history would show them that Jehovah alone was El, the absolutely Mighty One, and 'Elōhı̄m, the Being who united in Himself all divine majesty by which reverence was evoked. The participles in Isaiah 46:10, Isaiah 46:11 are attached to the "I" of כּמוני. It is Jehovah, the Incomparable, who has now, as at other times from the very commencement of the new turn in history, predicted the issue of which it would lead, and miqqedem, i.e., long before, predicted things that have not yet occurred, and which therefore lit outside the sphere of human combination - another passage like Isaiah 41:26; Isaiah 45:21, etc., in which what is predicted in these prophecies lays claim to the character of a prediction of long standing, and not of one merely uttered a few years before. The ראשׁית, in which the ראשׁנות are already in progress (Isaiah 42:9), is to be regarded as the prophet's ideal present; for Jehovah not only foretells before the appearance of Cyrus what is to be expected of him, but declares that His determination must be realized, that He will bring to pass everything upon which His will is set, and summons the man upon the stage of history as the instrument of its accomplishment, so that He knew Cyrus before he himself had either consciousness or being (Isaiah 45:4-5). The east is Persis (Isaiah 41:2); and the distant land, the northern part of Media (as in Isaiah 13:5). Cyrus is called an eagle, or, strictly speaking, a bird of prey (‛ayit),

(Note: The resemblance to ἀετός (αἰετός) is merely accidental. This name for the eagle is traceable, like avid, to a root vâ, to move with the swiftness of the wind. This was shown by Passow, compare Kuhn's Zeitschrift, i. 29, where we also find at 10, 126 another but less probable derivation from a root i, to go (compare eva, a course).)

just as in Jeremiah 49:22 and Ezekiel 17:3 Nebuchadnezzar is called a nesher. According to Cyrop. vii. 1, 4, the campaign of Cyrus was ἀετὸς χρυσοῦς ἐπὶ δόρατος μακροῦ ἀνατεταμένος. Instead of עצתו אישׁ, the keri reads more clearly, though quite unnecessarily, (עצתי אישׁ (see e.g., Isaiah 44:26). The correlate אף (Isaiah 46:11), which is only attached to the second verb the second time, affirms that Jehovah does not only the one, but the other also. His word is made by Him into a deed, His idea into a reality. יצר is a word used particularly by Isaiah, to denote the ideal preformation of the future in the mind of God (cf., Isaiah 22:11; Isaiah 37:26). The feminine suffixes refer in a neuter sense to the theme of the prophecy - the overthrow of idolatrous Babel, upon which Cyrus comes down like an eagle, in the strength of Jehovah. So far we have the nota bene for those who are inclined to apostasy. They are to lay to heart the nothingness of the heathen gods, and, on the other hand, the self-manifestation of Jehovah from the olden time, that is to say, of the One God who is now foretelling and carrying out the destruction of the imperial city through the eagle from the east.


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So, here are some of the selected parts of their commentary. Just to make it simple and clear. DOES Isaiah prophesied about Felix Manalo in the Philippines? If he was, then how did he fulfilled Isaiah's Prophecy of letting the Lord's people be freed from Babylonian captivity? And how did he claim it was him that was prophesied while it wasn't mean about The far east as the Philippines but rather East of Babelon.

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