I Am a Child of God: Ang Cube na Bagong Jerusalem by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

Now here we are again on Jose Rodelio Rata's Heretical ideology. Makikita niyo dito na ang tanging ginagawa lang ni Jose Rodelio Retome Rata ay karamihan ay copy-paste mula sa scriptural verses at may ilang maikling commentary na hindi naman talaga paliwanag. Sa kahambugan niya, hindi naman pala niya alam ang definition ng paliwanag; rather, pinahaba lang ang pag-copy-paste para kunyari naipaliwanag niya nang maayos. Kulayan ko ng PULA (RED) yung kanyang napakaising commentary na di naman pala pinaliwanag, para makita niyo kung gaano kalutang itong si Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Let's dive in -

Ito po ay kasunduan namin ni Rebuker FarEast Faultfinder aka Jerry Bustillo na isang hambog na MORMON LDS-PRIEST!

So here's his challenge, but before that, let's just go back to a conversation before this one and see for yourself how Jose Rodelio Retome Rata's narcissistic attitude and this kind of mental health really need medical attention.

He made this Post in one of the Group thinking this
has something to do with the INC ideology.
He pasted Galatians 4:25-26, so I decided to make
a comment about it since I got confuse of INC ideology.

So here's my response, and obviously this is pretty constructed
since I don't know the doctrine of INC.
So he asked me back instead of responding to my comment,
and he added a few idiotic words.
So, I challenge him to bring out the context of Paul's epistle to the Galatians,
thinking he still has that mindset about this Cube thing
that will fall down from heaven as a New Jerusalem.

Still, he has his idiotic words in every comment;
he needs mental attention.
So, I made a deal to bring it out if
he knows the context of Paul's letter to the Galatians.

So ano ba ang basis ko sa tanong ko sa kanya? Actually, matagal na niyang ito pinaglalatag kahit saan-saan na lang at siguro sa isip nitong Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, bago lang ito sa paniniwala ng iba. O baka hindi naniniwala ang mga Mormon kuno sa sinasabi niyang Bagong Jerusalem. So below was the Screenshot from others who converse with him. -

From a post by Peter Palad who encountered Jose Rodelio Retome Rata's Heretic ideology -
Click here to see the post.

OK, so what's the point here was that Jose Rodelio Retome Rata was not even clear if this doctrine existed in their Church. The only thing that he knew was how to copy and paste a text without understanding the context. My question is actually simple, and he didn't know anything about it. So here we will help out Jose Rodelio Retome Rata explain his biblical bigotry and try to figure out if he really believes in it according to its interpretations.

Kapag maipaliwanag ko po ang Galacia 4:26 gamit ang BIBLIYA ay magkukuwintas siya ng bato sa leeg tapos tatalon sa gitna ng dagat.

And there you go, Jose. Ang tanong diyan, Jose, pinapaliwanag mo ba talaga o basta ka na lang humuhugot ng versikulo na wala man lang konteksto? Ngayon, siguraduhin mong gawin mo ’yang pinagsasabi mo at ako na mismo ang magpaliwanag sa mga pinagkokopya mo na wala namang paliwanag. Siguraduhin mo tatalon ka sa Dagat, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Walang takbuhan.

Mateo 18:6 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
6 Datapuwa't sinomang magbigay ng ikatitisod sa isa sa maliliit na ito na nagsisisampalataya sa akin, ay may pakikinabangin pa siya kung bitinan ang kaniyang leeg ng isang malaking batong gilingan, at siya'y ilubog sa kalaliman ng dagat.

Okay, so what's the relation on this one to the main issue, Jose? If you are serious about it, you better be sure to keep your words as an Iglesia Ni Cristo. But actually, I know the results, Jose, so malamang, you will just run away to a different topic to avoid being grilled. Will just leave that as of now since you can't keep the words of Christ; you simply just mock Christ by using those verses and being arrogant.

Ayon po kay apostol Pablo ang Jerusalem sa itaas ay ina nila.

Galacia 4:26 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
26 Nguni't ang Jerusalem na nasa itaas ay malaya, na siyang ina natin.
Bakit po sinasabi ni apostol Pablo na ina nila ang Jerusalem sa itaas dahil po iyan ang inang bayan nila.

So, what was actually the point of your short commentary, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? Parang walang kuwentang paliwanag mo. So, paano ba ’yan ang mga LDS naniniwala rin nito? So, kita-kita na lang ba tayo nito sa Cubes, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? What is actually your Argument?

If you are reading from Galatians 4:21-31, you will come to encounter Paul's allegory about Hagar and Sarah in relation to the New Jerusalem. Hagar, as we all know, was a bondmaid; she and Sarah both had a son; in these verses, Paul's main point of his Allegory was that he wanted the saints to understand that they were no longer under the Law or bound to it. They were now covenanted people of God and that they were free, which he also compares Hagar as the Mount Sinai or under the Law, and Sarah to Mount Zion, which is the Children of the Promise. And to think Jose Rodelio Retome Rata seems to have a plain answer by simply copy-pasting a verse with a little commentary twist, I could simply say you're too ignorant without telling me that you are ignorant, Jose.

Ang pagkamamamayan kasi nila apostol Pablo ay nasa langit.

Filipos 3:20-21 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
20 Sapagka't ang ating pagkamamamayan ay nasa langit; mula doon ay hinihintay naman natin ang Tagapagligtas, ang Panginoong Jesucristo:
21 Na siyang magbabago ng katawan ng ating pagkamababa, upang maging katulad ng katawan ng kaniyang kaluwalhatian, ayon sa paggawa na maipagpapasuko niya sa lahat ng mga bagay sa kaniya.

Again, and let's clarify it once again. We don't disagree with the text in the scriptures, but your interpretation is so obvious that you don't know anything about the scripture. That is what I disagree with, Jose. Yung post ka nang post nang wala namang paliwanag sa doktrina nyo, Jose, walang kuwenta yan. Ginagamit mo lang ang banal na Kasulatan sa personal mong agenda na hindi mo naman pala alam ang kahulugan.

Philippians 3:20–21 is addressed to the Saints in Philippi whose citizenship is in heaven. Meaning Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, Paul teaches that they are awaiting the Savior, who will soon transform their mortal bodies to be like His glorious resurrected body. Their hope is centered on Christ, resurrection, and participation in God's heavenly kingdom. Was there a question about it? No, and I don't disagree either. I don't even know what you are trying to implement here, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Problema lang, Jose, di mo kaya ipaliwanag. Kita mo ba na puro lang copy paste pinagagawa mo, Jose?

Ang Jerusalem na ina nila apostol Pablo ay ang makalangit na Jerusalem ang bayan ng Dios.

Mga Hebreo 12:22 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
22 Datapuwa't nagsilapit kayo sa bundok ng Sion, at sa bayan ng Dios na buhay, ang Jerusalem sa kalangitan, at sa mga di mabilang na hukbo ng mga anghel,

No, question, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Everyone understood that, but not everyone aggrees on you interpretation. Was Hebrews 12:22 talking about the New Jerusalem and its prophecy? No doubt, and I never disagree; the Only thing for sure is this is not the INC Bayang Banal version. Let's try to elaborate on it starting from Hebrews 12:18-24 and help you out in explaining it, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Dahil wala ka namang paliwanag, basta ka na lang nangopya tapos ok na. Naku po, tapos ang yabang-yabang mong makipagdebate sa akin. Ayusin mo muna yang style mo Jose.

Ok, so what was the text in Hebrews 12:18-24 all about?

Verse 18-21 states the difference between this Mount Sinai during God's instruction to Moses. It is clearly understood that the former Mount where God would appear has a different state, as explained, that it is somewhat terrifying that even Moses thought he was not worthy to step on.

But on the other hand, in verse 22, where it was explained that this Mount Zion has a different state where it was filled with Heavenly Messengers, and those people who made a covenant with God can easily enter it, the word "ye are come unto mount Sion" clearly says that those people who already made the Covenant with him. So, in short, Mount Sinai and Mount Zion that have been compared by the writer are where people who are already under the covenant are welcome.

See the difference, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? This simply shows you don't know what you are talking about. Basta may maipost lang kuno okay na! Nako naman Jose

Iyan din po ang lupain o bayan sa langit na inihanda ng Dios kila Abraham.

Mga Hebreo 11:8,10,13-16 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
8 Sa pananampalataya si Abraham, nang tawagin, ay tumalima upang pumaroon sa isang dakong kaniyang tatanggaping mana; at siya'y yumaon na di nalalaman kung saan siya paroroon.
10 Sapagka't inaasahan niya ang bayang may mga kinasasaligan, na ang nagtayo at gumawa ay ang Dios.
13 Ayon sa pananampalataya ay nangamatay ang lahat ng mga ito, na hindi kinamtan ang mga pangako, nguni't kanilang nangakita na natanaw mula sa malayo, at kanilang ipinahayag na sila'y pawang taga ibang bayan at manglalakbay sa ibabaw ng lupa.
14 Sapagka't ang mga nagsisipagsabi ng mga gayong bagay ay nagpapakilalang hinahanap nila ang lupaing kanilang sarili.
15 At katotohanang kung kanilang naalaala yaong lupaing kanilang pinanggalingan, ay nagkaroon sana sila ng mabuting pagkakataon upang bumalik.
16 Nguni't ngayon ay nagnanasa sila ng lalong magaling na lupain, sa makatuwid baga'y ang sa langit: kaya hindi sila ikinahihiya ng Dios na tawaging Dios nila; sapagka't kaniyang ipinaghanda sila ng isang bayan.

Hebrews 11 was actually how faith came to have a result and how we will be able to understand by working on one's faith. Let's try to get the context here. So let's start -

Hebrews 11:8-10 says that Abraham, even without knowing the result of the blessing, still followed or obeyed God's words, and it ended up that he inherited a land because of his Faith. This is not necessarily the Zion that Jose is trying to apply his translation to, but could also be a blessed land since God prepared it for him. If you go back to Genesis 12:1–7, this land that was prepared for him was actually the land of Canaan. Was it a blessed land for Abraham and his posterity? Yes, of course, no question about it. But does this have something to do with Hebrews 12:18-24? In a sense that God will provide a place for his people that they worship him and perform sacred ordinances, yes, it does, but not necessarily the same land. You are just trying to cherry-pick verses with some relevant text without understanding the history, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata.

Ok, so now what about Hebrews 11:13–16? What was this all about? To help you out, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, Abraham, as promised by God, did receive the land that God promised to him and his descendants. However, the blessings he received were not fully fulfilled to their complete potential during his lifetime. But this does not mean that Abraham's faith failed. God did promise Abraham that his descendants would be a great nation, although Abraham did not see the entire fulfillment of this blessing during his lifetime. As I have said, he saw only part of its fulfillment. Nevertheless, God would fulfill His promises according to Abraham's faith. That is the reason for Paul's statement in Hebrews 11:13–16: Abraham and the other faithful continued to look forward to the fulfillment of God's promises, even though they did not receive them in their fullness during their lifetime. Perhaps, therefore, those who enter into the covenant God made through Abraham can likewise look forward to inheriting the country, land, or greater inheritance that God has prepared for them.

Does that make sense, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? Yung nagtanong ako ng context, pero ako rin pala ang magbibigay ng context, at natural, wala ka naman palang alam.

Iyan po ang kaharian na mamanahin ng mga tupa na inihanda ng Dios buhat pa nang lalangin ang sanlibutan.

Mateo 25:31-34 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
31 Datapuwa't pagparito ng Anak ng tao na nasa kaniyang kaluwalhatian, na kasama niya ang lahat ng mga anghel, kung magkagayo'y luluklok siya sa luklukan ng kaniyang kaluwalhatian:
32 At titipunin sa harap niya ang lahat ng mga bansa: at sila'y pagbubukdinbukdin niya na gaya ng pagbubukodbukod ng pastor sa mga tupa at sa mga kambing;
33 At ilalagay niya ang mga tupa sa kaniyang kanan, datapuwa't sa kaliwa ang mga kambing.
34 Kung magkagayo'y sasabihin ng Hari sa nangasa kaniyang kanan, Magsiparito kayo, mga pinagpala ng aking Ama, manahin ninyo ang kahariang nakahanda sa inyo buhat nang itatag ang sanglibutan:

Yeah sure, so what's the main point of posting it without going through an explanation, Jose? Ano ba ang main point mo dito sa Matthew 25:31-34? This is actually part of Christ's sermon about his Second Coming. So, alam naman na ng lahat 'yan. Ano pa ba ang gusto mong iparating? Oh, kita mo, wala kang paliwanag, tapos sabihin mo, kaya mo ipaliwanag?

Iyan po ang sanlibutang darating.

Mga Hebreo 2:5 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
5 Sapagka't hindi niya ipinasakop sa mga anghel ang sanglibutang darating, na siya naming isinasaysay.

And on Hebrews 2:5, here are some words that we should think about, Jose, and thanks for bringing it up. The Greek word "οἰκουμένην τὴν μέλλουσαν" or "The World to Come", which is more closely related to an inhabited world to come. So yes, the author might be referring to a world that already existed or perhaps where the former saint already resides. Also, it is clear that this world was or has not been subjected to any angel. So what was something in this world seems not just an ordinary thing to discuss, and we only have a few revelations that talk about this. What about you, go ahead and tell me your interpretation on this one, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata?

Iyan po ang Bagong Jerusalem ang Banal na Bayan na bababa mula sa langit buhat sa Dios.

Pahayag 21:2 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
2 At nakita ko ang bayang banal, ang bagong Jerusalem, na nananaog mula sa langit buhat sa Dios, na nahahandang gaya ng isang babaing kasintahan na nagagayakang talaga sa kaniyang asawa.

So talagang Baba ang Cubes mula sa Langit, Jose? Take note, Jose, Revelation yang pinaglalatad mo; they are simply representations and symbolisms. You can declare that, Jose, when God reveals that to you personally, pero kung wala, wag ka na umasa. I did not say this is not true, or maybe it won't come; what I'm saying is that this is more on symbolism and that perhap need additional light and understanding in regard to the mysteries of God. See, for example, Jose; on that same chapter it says this -

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Does this mean we don't need to build a temple? No, it's not. When you come to understand how the structure of this Holy City was made, where God and every saint will reside, it closely resembles a tabernacle like on the day of Moses, specifically in entering the "Holy of Holiest," which was constructed in a Perfect Cube, and this is where God resides. So to think this Cubic thing and the city with some precious Materials on it is basically similar to the Tabernacle, and God already made a pattern of Zion. So I don't think the works of the temple are over, and as it is said, the Lamb is the temple of it.

So, again, don't get me wrong, Jose. I do believe that Christ will come back again with his angels, and I do believe that the earth will be renewed to it's Paradisiacal Glory, but the scriptural text doesn't mean to literally translate it that way. The very reason why we need Prophets that will guide us in all truth.

Iyan po ang tahanan ng Dios na maninirahan siya kasama ng mga taong kabilang sa kanya at kay Cristo.

Pahayag 21:2-4 - Magandang Balita Biblia
2 At nakita ko ang Banal na Lungsod, ang bagong Jerusalem na bumababa mula sa langit buhat sa Diyos, gaya ng isang babaing ikakasal. Siya'y nakabihis at nakahanda sa pagsalubong sa kanyang mapapangasawa. 3 Narinig ko ang isang malakas na tinig mula sa trono, “Tingnan ninyo, ang tahanan ng Diyos ay nasa piling na ng mga tao! Maninirahan siyang kasama nila, at sila'y magiging bayan niya. Diyos mismo ang makakapiling nila at siya ang magiging Diyos nila. 4 At papahirin niya ang bawat luha sa kanilang mga mata. Wala nang kamatayan, dalamhati, pagtangis, at paghihirap sapagkat lumipas na ang dating mga bagay.”

Dito hindi pinapakita ni Jose Rodelio Retome Rata yung paniniwala nila na ang cubes at ang Iglesia Ni Cristo ay ang Bayang Banal, also that the Philippines was supposed to be the New Jerusalem. Was that it, Jose? Is that the rest of your so-called paliwanag? Come on! I don't think yan lang ang gusto mo iparating, Jose.

Ok, so I'll help you out, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. Nakakahiya naman kung di kita tulungan sa explanation mo. So here is from their official website and article on this subject, and we'll figure out what this meant, Jose -

Moreover, what is the greatest inheritance that God has laid in store for the members of the Church Of Christ? In Revelation 21:1-4, this is recorded:

“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away’.” (niv)

A perfect life awaits the heirs of God in the Holy City. The bitterness, suffering, and cruelty they continue to experience in this world will be replaced with all good things. God will wipe away their tears and will dwell with them forever.

Therefore, man must fulfill his role in God’s master plan of his own salvation, that is, for him to enter and remain in the Church Of Christ. By doing so, he will receive God’s blessings not only in this life but most importantly salvation on the day of Judgment and eternal life in the new heaven and the new earth.

What I like about this statement from their very own website is that it is not a suppose litteral thing that will come down from heaven, which I actually agree with since the Book of Revelation is more symbolic than literal, unless, as I have said earlier, you can provide a revelation that God directed you that it will be fulfilled that way. But again, the interpretations are different. This simply assumes that the Bayang Banal and, by default, the Iglesia Ni Cristo. If you can convince me, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, and how your so-called Sugo was called by God and that he received revelation for everyone for the sake of their salvation, then we'll stick to it, but if you can't, no need to brag about it since you don't even know your scripture well, Jose. Check out the underlined words that I made above.

Rebuker FarEast Faultfinder aka Jerry Bustillo-iyan ang paliwanag ko gamit ang Bibliya.

Yung totoo, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, alin ba ang paliwanag mo sa mga versikulo na inilalatag mo, Jose? Kita mo kung gaano kahina ka sa sarili mong ideolohiya. Di mo man lang mailatag kung ano ang konteksto; sa halip, puro ka paramihan ng kinopya. Wala kang malinaw na paliwanag, Jose, at diyan pa lang pinatunayan mo na wala kang alam sa sarili ninyong turo mula sa INC. Alam ba ng ministro ang pinagagawa mo, Jose? Nakakahiya ka. Kung ako lang ang ministro mo, papatanggalin kita sa Iglesia Ni Cristo. YOU ARE A DISGRACE!

Tingnan natin kung may isang salita ang tulad mong MORMON LDS-PRIEST na tutupad ka sa usapan o kasunduan.

Tapos na, Jose. Nasagot ko na, so ngayon tingnan natin kung kaya mong magrebutal. Siguraduhin mong gawin mo 'yang pinagsasabi mo at bumalik lang sa'yo. Wag kang tatakas, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, kilala ko na yang style mo.

So, everyone, sa tingin niyo, may paliwanag ba si Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? The only thing that Jose did was to just highlight his important interpretations without even knowing the context. Nako naman Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. So paano ba ’yan? magre-rebuttal ka na, dahil kung hindi ka makapag-rebuttal, magkuwentas ka na ng bato at ihulog mo sa dagat. Nakakahiya ka, Jose, sa kapwa mong Iglesia Ni Cristo.

At shout-out sa mga pinagbabanggit ni Jose Rodelio Retome Rata sa kanyang walang kuwentang post. Kakahiya.

Rebuker FarEast Faultfinder
Marites Palos Salinas
Lab Mae
Dwaine Woolley
Niño S. Tandoy
Mike Japson

Notes:

Ang Cube na Bagong Jerusalem by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

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