And on our today's episode title (ARGUMENTUM AD VERECUNDIAM) or more accurately Appeal to Authority. Now let's check out if I did make or attempt to Appeal to Authority according to his statement. Text in blue was his and mine with the plain text and some others that he quoted from my previous commentary will be in gray. So let's dive in -
“𝙏𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙚𝙡𝙤𝙬 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙅𝙤𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙝 𝙆𝙖𝙫𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙜𝙝'𝙨 𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙡𝙚 𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙎𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙏𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙁𝙖𝙡𝙡 - 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙈𝙧. 𝙈𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙡𝙤 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙤𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙨 𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙭𝙖𝙘𝙩 𝙘𝙡𝙖𝙞𝙢 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝟭𝟴𝟯𝟯 𝙈𝙚𝙩𝙚𝙤𝙧 𝙎𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙢. 𝙄 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙣𝙚𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙛𝙤𝙘𝙪𝙨 𝙢𝙪𝙘𝙝 𝙤𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙚𝙫𝙖𝙣𝙩, 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙄 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙬𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙥𝙤𝙞𝙣𝙩 𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙖𝙠𝙚𝙣 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 "𝘼𝙣𝙜 𝙨𝙪𝙡𝙤 𝙨𝙖 𝙄𝙠𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙮𝙖𝙠 𝙨𝙖 𝙄𝙜𝙡𝙚𝙨𝙞𝙖 𝙆𝙖𝙩𝙤𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙖 𝘼𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙤𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙖 𝙍𝙤𝙢𝙖𝙣𝙖" 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙗𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙮 𝙚𝙙𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙋𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙜𝙤 𝙞𝙛 𝙄'𝙢 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙢𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙠𝙚𝙣, 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙘𝙩 𝙢𝙚 𝙞𝙛 𝙄'𝙢 𝙬𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙜. 𝘼𝙣𝙙, 𝙄 𝙜𝙪𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙢𝙖𝙙𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙖𝙘𝙠 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝘾𝙖𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙡𝙞𝙘 𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙡𝙪𝙙𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙖𝙞𝙙 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙍𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝟲:𝟭𝟮-𝟭𝟯.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: Oh, so now you resort to digging into Catholic sources that criticize the beliefs of the Iglesia Ni Cristo?And then what? try to make it appear that our position on this very topic is somehow in error? That reeks of argumentum ad verecundiam, my friend.
And let me remind you, the book 𝘈𝘯𝘨 𝘚𝘶𝘭𝘰 𝘴𝘢 𝘐𝘬𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘺𝘢𝘬 𝘴𝘢 𝘐𝘨𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘢 𝘒𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘢 𝘈𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘢 𝘙𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘢 was never written to attack the Catholic faith. In fact, Bro. Felix Manalo himself, the author of that book, made it clear when he said:
Seriously bro, I did attempt an Appeal to Authority? Tell me when you try to quote a line to someone and your not even thinking a relevant theme on the matter, then you call it an Appeal to Authority? Do you understand that Ginoong Pantas? Okay, so let's have it here.
“𝗔𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗸𝗹𝗮𝘁 𝗻𝗮 𝗶𝘁𝗼’𝘆 𝗦𝗨𝗟𝗢𝗡𝗚 𝗺𝗮𝗴𝗯𝗶𝗯𝗶𝗴𝗮𝘆 𝗹𝗶𝘄𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗴 𝘀𝗮 𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗼 𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗻𝗮𝗴𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗶𝘀 𝗺𝗮𝗸𝗮𝘀𝘂𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝗸𝗮𝘁𝗼𝘁𝗼𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗽𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗻𝗶 𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀 𝗮𝘁 𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗹. 𝗔𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗸𝗹𝗮𝘁 𝗻𝗮 𝗶𝘁𝗼’𝘆 𝗮𝗮𝗸𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗸𝗮𝘆𝗼 𝘀𝗮 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗮 𝗻𝗴 𝗕𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗻𝗮 𝗞𝗮𝘀𝘂𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗮𝗻 𝗻𝗮 𝗻𝗮𝗴𝗹𝗮𝗹𝗮𝗵𝗮𝗱 𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝘂𝗻𝗴𝗸𝗼𝗹 𝘀𝗮 𝗶𝗴𝗹𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗮𝘆𝗼 𝗻𝗶 𝗖𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗼 𝗮𝘁 𝗶𝗽𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗹. 𝗦𝗮 𝗮𝗸𝗹𝗮𝘁 𝗻𝗮 𝗶𝘁𝗼’𝘆 𝗶𝗻𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘂𝘀𝘂𝗺𝗽𝘂𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗮 𝗻𝗴 𝗸𝗮𝘀𝗮𝘆𝘀𝗮𝘆𝗮𝗻 𝗻𝗮 𝗻𝗮𝗴𝗽𝗮𝗽𝗮𝘁𝗼𝘁𝗼𝗼 𝘀𝗮 𝗜𝗴𝗹𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗮 𝗞𝗮𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗮 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗮 𝗥𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗮.” [Manalo, Felix Y. 𝘈𝘯𝘨 𝘚𝘶𝘭𝘰 𝘴𝘢 𝘐𝘬𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘺𝘢𝘬 𝘴𝘢 𝘐𝘨𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘢 𝘒𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘢 𝘈𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘢 𝘙𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘢; Quezon City, Philippines: Ang Pasugo © 1947, paunang salita (foreword) section]
In English:
“𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗶𝘀 𝗮 𝘁𝗼𝗿𝗰𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗴𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗱𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗿𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘂𝘁𝗵𝘀 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗹𝗲𝘀. 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗴𝘂𝗶𝗱𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗛𝗼𝗹𝘆 𝗦𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗽𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘀𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗸 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗵𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗵 𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗖𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗹𝗲𝘀. 𝗜𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗱𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗳𝘆 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗥𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗖𝗮𝘁𝗵𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗰 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗰 𝗖𝗵𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗵.”
Yeah I can see that, no need to bother on translating something which I could understand the text clearly. The question here was, do you understand my text clearly? You should stick to that first before educating to someone.
Now tell medoes this truly sound like an ATTACK on the Catholic faith? My friend, you should have taken the time to read the introduction, preface, or foreword of the book before leaping to hasty conclusions. And yes, Joseph J. Kavanagh did write an article commenting on Bro. Manalo’s book, particularly on Rev. 6:12-13, which describes the prophesied events that unfolded when the sixth seal was opened (including the 1833 Leonid Meteor Shower, the very “falling of the stars” you contend).
Oh really, Why wont you quote the whole theme of the article and it's context rather than a part of the introduction? And seriously just to be fair and transparent; who were the target audience of the article of which I supposed it was Manalo himself who brought it to life? So here's the Full Introduction that you missed quoting -
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| Taken from - ANG SULO SA KATITIYAK SA IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA |
Some Parts of the books that has been publish publicly which it said something like Catholic Church is false and was not the church Christ built. Just to be fair, I don't think this was actually and issue since every religion has their own way of ideology thinking the others is false through teachings and authority. But this is not actually the point here, the main issue was that Ginoong Pantas claimed that I did Appeal to Authority which in fact it was on their own articles. Do you get the issue here Ginoong Pantas? Just when did I make an appeal to authority while I don't even bother quoting it and declaring it's truthfulness? Did I said about Joseph Kavanagh article was accurate or trusthworthy? Can you prove that on my text? The only thing is certain on my commentary, that even Joseph Kavanagh also quote Felix Manalo's very own handiwork and he mentioned the same event about the Leonid Meteor Storm that you avoid the issue, Ginoong Pantas. So what are you actually hiding here Ginoong Pantas? What's the deal with this Article about "ANG SULO". Is there something you want to talk about the context of this article, Ginoong Pantas? Let go ahead and explore it.
But let’s be clear: quoting Mr. Kavanagh here adds nothing of substance.
And again, just as I said on the first place, I don't care about it that why I say I don't need to focused on it. The main point is not about Joseph Kavanagh's article; the point was all about Felix Manalo's words of the said Event was included and for sure you don't want to include it just because the Mormon's had proven something, am I right Ginoong Pantas?
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| Taken from the Iglesia Ni Cristo by Joseph Kavanagh where he quoted the Article from "Ang SULO" |
“𝙈𝙮 𝙦𝙪𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙩𝙤 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙂𝙞𝙣𝙤𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙋𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙨, 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙄𝙉𝘾 𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙡𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙣𝙤𝙩? 𝙄 𝙪𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙫𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙤𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙞𝙢𝙚, 𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙚𝙡𝙡 𝙢𝙚 𝙞𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙠𝙣𝙤𝙬𝙡𝙚𝙙𝙜𝙚 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙤𝙧 𝙢𝙖𝙮𝙗𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙤𝙣𝙖𝙡 𝙤𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝘽𝙧𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙁𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙭 𝙈𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙡𝙤. 𝘼𝙣𝙙 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙘𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙧, 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙄 𝙨𝙖𝙮 𝙤𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙄 𝙙𝙤 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙛𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙡𝙞𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙞𝙩, 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖 𝙙𝙞𝙧𝙚𝙘𝙩 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚. 𝘼𝙣𝙙 𝙤𝙛 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙨𝙚 𝙞𝙛 𝘽𝙧𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙁𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙭 𝙈𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙡𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙨 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙬𝙣 𝙤𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙝𝙪𝙢𝙖𝙣, 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙪𝙗𝙟𝙚𝙘𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙘𝙖𝙨𝙚 𝙨𝙩𝙪𝙙𝙮, 𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙚 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙤𝙚𝙨, 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙖𝙡𝙨𝙤 𝙨𝙪𝙗𝙟𝙚𝙘𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙘𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙜𝙚𝙨. 𝙎𝙤, 𝙄 𝙪𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙞𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙩𝙖𝙠𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚, 𝙂𝙞𝙣𝙤𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙋𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙨, 𝙄'𝙢 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙙 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙤𝙣. 𝙄 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙪𝙞𝙡𝙙 𝙖 𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙢𝙤𝙣 𝙜𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙛𝙞𝙧𝙨𝙩 𝙗𝙚𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙚 𝙩𝙖𝙠𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙙𝙚𝙚𝙥𝙚𝙧.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: Are you me whether Brother Felix Manalo’s book “Ang Sulo” is still part of the teachings of the Iglesia Ni Cristo? Well, that book is centered on correcting the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church and on Brother Felix Manalo’s biblical commentary regarding certain criticisms Catholicism has directed at the INC. Thus, it serves as a REFERENCE AID for us in discussions with Catholic defenders. But let me be clear: the totality of INC doctrine is not confined to Catholicism. It encompasses the vast world of theology and the teachings of the Bible that show the way to salvation.
So yes, Bro. FYM’s “Ang Sulo” is part of INC teaching, but only in the context of engaging with Catholicism.
Your missing the point again Mr. Ginoong Pantas. The question is too simple that even Elementary could answer it directly. I don't even bother on the catholic side of your story, the issue here was the quote Felix Manalo was quoting. Was it still part of your teachings? If so, then my commentary about it is true; if it's not, then tell me when did the INC took it out from the words of Felix Manalo from his Article called ANG SULO? Was it still there or you don't accept it anymore? See the Point Ginoong Pantas? You talk too much on diverting the issue to some irrelevant context, and yet the question is plain and simple.
And since you are a Mormon, Jerry, do not presume that you are also a recipient of the points addressed in that book.I appreciate that you recognize yourself as not close‑minded, but I hope you use that quality to avoid misrepresenting our doctrines.
Tell me straight Ginoong Pantas; What this has to do with what I believe now, Ginoong Pantas? What's the relevance of it to the topic? And if he (Felix Manalo) was not sent by God to teach a mere opinion. And again, how did I misrepresent your doctrine? Just when did my comment get into the line of your ideology? What about you translate my Post to Tagalog so you'll understand it more clearly, Ginoong Pantas? And it seems like you just love cherry-pick lines just as the same INC out there that I once encountered.
COMING UP NEXT - Part 5 CONFUSING JERRY’S OWN INTELLECT. Check out soon here at http://bit.ly/GPantas
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