Exodo 33:9-11,20 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)9 At nangyari, pagka si Moises ay pumapasok sa Tolda ay bumababa ang haliging ulap at tumitigil sa pintuan ng Tolda ang Panginoon ay nakikipagsalitaan kay Moises.10 At nakikita ng buong bayan ang haliging ulap at tumitigil sa pintuan ng Tolda; at ang buong bayan ay tumitindig at sumasamba, na bawa't isa'y sa tabi ng pintuan ng kaniyang tolda.11 At nakikipagsalitaan ang Panginoon kay Moises ng mukhaan, gaya ng isang taong nakikipagsalitaan sa kaniyang kaibigan. At siya'y bumabalik uli sa kampamento, datapuwa't ang kaniyang tagapangasiwang si Josue, na anak ni Nun, na may kabataan pa, ay hindi umaalis sa Tolda.20 At kaniyang sinabi, Hindi mo makikita ang aking mukha: sapagka't hindi maaaring makita ako ng tao at mabuhay.KLARO SA MGA TALATANG IYAN, NAKIKIPAG-USAP ANG DIOS KAY MOISES NG MUKHAAN SA PAMAMAGITAN NG HALIGING ULAP. KLARO DIN NA HINDI NAKIKITA NI MOISES ANG MUKHA NG DIOS DAHIL MAMAMATAY SI MOISES.
Yes, I can see that. Everyone can see that, and I guess this was something that you wanna chopped a selected verse, because the rest of the verses will simply contradict themselves. Let's go ahead and read the rest of it, shall we? Exodus 33:17,20-23
17 And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
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20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Seems like more interesting than your cherry-picked ideology, see how the Lord told Moses to see that He, as a God, has a body part visible to Moses. Of course, his face was supposed to be hidden for some reasons, but that doesn't say God has no physical form. We are indeed created in his likeness in his own image, which simply means that the human figure we have now was simply the same physical figure as God. Interesting, right, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? You may think this seems a contradiction in the next verses, while we already established that God shows his face in verse 11, and the next succeeding verse seems confusing. But the explainations on God's glory to its physical appearance are different. As Latter-day Saints, we believe that if God wanted to show his physical appearance, a man couldn't see it in a natural eye, but rather he needs to be transfigured. This was a different topic, so we will just respond to what our VIP friend wants to learn.
SAMAKATUWID-HINDI LITERAL NA NAKIKITA NI MOISES ANG MUKHA NG DIOS KUNDI NAG-UUSAP SILA NG HARAPAHARAPAN GAYA NG ISANG TAONG NAKIKIPAGSALITAAN SA KANYANG KAIBIGAN ANG DIOS MEANING ITINULAD LANG SA ISANG TAONG NAKIKIPAGSALITAAN SA KANYANG KAIBIGAN ANG DIOS HINDI SIYA ANG TAONG PINAGTULARAN.
Exodo 33:11 - Ang Dating Biblia (1905)11 At nakikipagsalitaan ang Panginoon kay Moises ng mukhaan, gaya ng isang taong nakikipagsalitaan sa kaniyang kaibigan. At siya'y bumabalik uli sa kampamento, datapuwa't ang kaniyang tagapangasiwang si Josue, na anak ni Nun, na may kabataan pa, ay hindi umaalis sa Tolda.INUNAWA ITO NG ISANG MORMON-LDS NA ISANG LITERAL NA TEACHER AT SEMINARY TEACHER SA RELIHIYON NILA NA LITERAL NA ISANG TAO ANG DIOS.NAKAKAHIYA ANG PAGKA-TEACHER NG TAONG ITO!
Just another Name-Calling Strategy to get the attention of the others and to humiliate the opposers, not even addressing the issue. What a shame! I'll help you out on that one
GINAGAMIT NIYA ANG TALATANG ITO PARA ISANGGALANG ANG ARAL NILA NA HINDI DAW NILA ITINUTURO NA ISANG 'MAN O TAO' SI JESUS NA BUMABABA MULA SA LANGIT.
This is actually literal; God can simply show his physical figure to whoever he wants if it's necessary to obtain faith in him or to show his greatness. Why would you limit God's capability by your own interpretations not even align biblically? This is not actually a contradiction, but rather God is simply avoiding his Glory to be in contact with the human eye that might end up their lives since his Glory is not just a natural light of the sun that you can simply say is just a bright light. For me, this glory was as the succeeding verses show that God wants Moses, his servant, to avoid looking on. like on verse 18 -
Exodus 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
But God did not even attempt to make it to be seen by Moses -
Exodus 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
So, it is not actually his physical appearance that is deadly, but the entire Glory of God that could end the life of Moses. The direct eye contact from man or Moses to God, as I have said, could end his life, for God's is full of Glory -
Matthew 6:22-23 (MSG Version) Your eyes are windows into your body. If you open your eyes wide in wonder and belief, your body fills up with light. If you live squinty-eyed in greed and distrust, your body is a musty cellar. If you pull the blinds on your windows, what a dark life you will have!
I don't think this is hard to understand, or maybe you don't want to understand, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata. To me, I could simply say that you limit your understand about the nature of God, and in those limitations, your doctrine fails. Your god cannot make himself known and do whatever he wants, while my God can do all things beyond human imaginations can do. If God wanted to be shown or not, it is his will to do that, not your ideology. Your poor and powerless god can't even make himself appear to Felix Manalo, so why are you still there on your bigotry?
3 NEPHI 11:8-10,12-158 And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them.9 And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying:10 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.12 And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven.13 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto them saying:14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.15 And it came to pass that the multitude went forth, and thrust their hands into his side, and did feel the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet; and this they did do, going forth one by one until they had all gone forth, and did see with their eyes and did feel with their hands, and did know of a surety and did bear record, that it was he, of whom it was written by the prophets, that should come.
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Glen Mari R. Lamis-KAHIT MAGLUPASAY KAPA KLARO ANG TURO NG AKLAT NINYO NA TAO SI JESUS NA NAKIKITA NG IBANG MGA TUPA NINYO NA BUMABABA MULA SA LANGIT NA BIGLANG ITINURO NG AKLAT NINYO NA DIOS NG BUONG DAIGDIG SI JESUS KAYA SALUNGATAN DIBA SEMINARY TEACHER?