Dito na naman tayo sa isa pang contexto na wala man lang sense sa kanyang pinagsasabi. Una dyan nakita mo na stand ko pero nganga ka parin dahil malamang di ka nakakaintindi. Sige Patulan kita nito basahin mo hangang dulo -
Before that according to the Analysis on our debate that you miserably lose, I already Stablish my point or my stand about the plurality of God. Again as base on my analysis, I don't believe that God was alone in the realm before the world was Created and those being whom I do believe was with him were also the same being as he is, and that is God, the scripture use a small caps to emphasize their difference or labelled them as judges. |
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The only problem to you THE REBUKER, was that you don't want the belief of others who even know how the context of the scripture goes, rather you want them to be converted in to your own ideology that you can't even stand. So lets take some of it -
Genesis 32:11Ang Biblia, 200111 Hinihiling ko sa iyo na iligtas mo ako sa kamay ng aking kapatid na si Esau. Ako'y natatakot sa kanya, baka siya'y dumating at kaming lahat ay pagpapatayin niya, ang mga ina pati ang mga anak.Genesis 32:30Ang Biblia, 200130 Tinawag ni Jacob ang pangalan ng lugar na iyon na Peniel na sinasabi, “Sapagkat nakita ko ang Diyos sa harapan, at naligtas ang aking buhay.”
ANG TURO NG MGA MOR-MOONS LITERAL NA NAKITA NI JACOB ANG MUKHA NG DIOS SAMANTALANG MAMAMATAY ANG MAKAKAKITA SA MUKHA NG DIOS.
Yes exactly, as the context of the scripture goes, unless you call Jacob a liar. Okay, so let me explain further, When the scriptures tells us something about angels, messengers, and even Christ before his mortal ministry, there is only one source of being where they came from and you can't simply call them different just because they are not meant to be worship. You can't sustain that ideology. The scripture plainly saint to Serve Only the One True God, why would the scripture tells us that if we already knew that God was the only being we worship? Why would Christ, prayed to the Father with phrase "that they may know thee the one true God"? Does the God of Israel or Abraham Isaac Jacob and the rest of prophet talk and worship different God? Do the Israelite soon after the law was revealed changed the same law that was followed in Jesus time? I don't think so, you just don't know your scripture well and that's your problem
Exodo 33:20Ang Biblia, 200120 Ngunit, kanyang sinabi, “Hindi mo maaaring makita ang aking mukha; sapagkat hindi ako maaaring makita ng tao at siya'y mabubuhay.”Exodo 33:23Ang Biblia, 200123 Pagkatapos, aking aalisin ang aking kamay, at iyong makikita ang aking likod; subalit ang aking mukha ay hindi makikita.”INUNAWANG LITERAL NA NAKITA NI JACOB ANG MUKHA NG DIOS SAMANTALANG ANG IBIG SABIHIN DIYAN NI JACOB AY PNABORAN SIYA NG DIOS KAYA NALIGTAS SIYA SA GALIT NI ESAU NA KANYANG KAPATID.
On this context, it was Moses who was instructed by God in favor to the Israelites. Yes, Moses didn't saw God's face when he ask to show him God's glory. Your cherry-picked idea doesn't work here. Moses already claimed in Exodus 33:11 where God speaks to him face to face, then there you are using that magic trick of chopping the verses to satisfy the INC doctrine. Okay, so what was the context? Here let me show you (Exodus 33:17-23) -
17 And the Lord said to Moses, “I will do the very thing you have asked, because I am pleased with you and I know you by name.”
18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”
19 And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock.
22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.
23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”
Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female.
Genesis 33:9-10Ang Biblia, 20019 Subalit sinabi ni Esau, “Sapat na ang nasa akin, kapatid ko. Ang nasa iyo ay sa iyo na.”10 Sinabi sa kanya ni Jacob, “Hindi, nakikiusap ako sa iyo, na kung ngayo'y nakatagpo ako ng biyaya sa iyong paningin, ay tanggapin mo nga ang aking kaloob mula sa aking kamay; sapagkat nakita ko ang iyong mukha, na gaya ng nakakita ng mukha ng Diyos, at ikaw ay nalugod sa akin.AYAN ANG IBIG SABIHIN NG NAKITA ANG MUKHA NG DIOS NI JACOB AY NAKATAGPO SIYA NG BIYAYA SA DIOS AT NALIGTAS SIYA SA GALIT NI ESAU.ANG KATUNAYAN NA NAKATAGPO SIYA NG BIYAYA SA DIOS AY BINASBASAN SIYA NG DIOS SA PAMAMAGITAN NG ANGHEL NG DIOS.
Oh come on! Ganyan ang pagkaintindi mo sa banal na kasulatan or sa specific verse na yan? Ulit-ulitin mong basahin yan makikita mo kung gaano ka kahina sa pangunawa sa banal na kasulat, Tapos manghamon ka ng debate? Sure ka? The context of Jacob wristled with an Angel/God has no connection with Jacob's reconciliation to his brother. This is obviously misinterpreted or misunderstood study of THE REBUKER. Iwan ko lang kung sinong maniwala sayo dyan but this has nothing to do with his spiritual experience with the messenger and to his brother. But to be fair para naman di ka mukhang kahiya-hiya, Jacobs plain words ay nasabi nya "nakakita ng mukha ng Diyos" ay nang dahil sa kanilang reunion at dahil mahal nya ang kanyang kapatid, kaya noong nakita siya ang phrase na yun ang tangin nagpatunay sa kanyang tunay na pagmamahal. Hay nako!
Genesis 32:26Ang Biblia, 200126 Sinabi niya, “Bitawan mo ako, sapagkat nagbubukang-liwayway na.” At sinabi ni Jacob,[a] “Hindi kita bibitawan malibang ako ay mabasbasan mo.”Genesis 32:29Ang Biblia, 200129 Siya'y tinanong ni Jacob, “Hinihiling ko sa iyo na sabihin mo sa akin ang iyong pangalan.” At kanyang sinabi, “Bakit itinatanong mo ang aking pangalan?” At siya'y binasbasan doon.MGA MOR-MOONS MAGBASA KAYO NG BIBLE HINDI PURO BOOK OF MOR-MOONS NA GAWA-GAWANG KASINUNGALINGAN NG PROPETA NINYO!
Ok, so ito yung pilit mong ipagkalat dahil mali daw kuno, pero ang problema hindi mo matangap ang akung statement using Biblical Context. So sino may problema? Ulitin ko nalang dito para may reference ka dito sa blog mo at someday may matutunan ka para pwede mo ishare sa pamilya mo. So, again here is my stand, and the scripture goes and there are not just one God as a being and there is one God who holds the title God as the Father. There's a difference, God is both a being and a title and as the scripture addressed them using the small caps simply because they were celestial being.
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Ok, to be fair ulit at nabangit ko ang history sa pamilya ni Samson so here's the scripture verses (Read in Full Judges 13)-
18 He replied, “Why do you ask my name? It is beyond understanding.” 19 Then Manoah took a young goat, together with the grain offering, and sacrificed it on a rock to the Lord. And the Lord did an amazing thing while Manoah and his wife watched: 20 As the flame blazed up from the altar toward heaven, the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame. Seeing this, Manoah and his wife fell with their faces to the ground. 21 When the angel of the Lord did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the Lord. 22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!” 23 But his wife answered, “If the Lord had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and grain offering from our hands, nor shown us all these things or now told us this.” - Judges 13:18-23 NIV
Moving on so here's the last part of you comments. So what was this all about?
2 Timothy 4:3-4Living Bible3 For there is going to come a time when people won’t listen to the truth but will go around looking for teachers who will tell them just what they want to hear. 4 They won’t listen to what the Bible says but will blithely follow their own misguided ideas.
Di ko alam anong point mo sa pag-include nitong verse na wala namang kinalaman sa pinagusapan, masyado mo lang pinapahaba ang comments mo para magmukhang authentic pero sablay ka parin. So far masasabi ko lang None-Sense ang post mo.
