Now let's go and see some of his trashed talks, ad hominems, and flooding. I have fun reporting Facebook on this, but yeah, of course, Facebook won't do anything about it, as expected. It's none of their business anyway.
Dami kong tawa dito, na imagine ko tuloy yung galit nya na parang gusto na nya itapon cellphone, o kaya gusto nang manakit. Pag ganitong ugali baguhan lang sa mundo ng Apologetics. Di ko alam kung well trained itong mga ito sa doctrina nila or basta nalang humugot with confident na parang everything is under control, 🤣🤣🤣! Kaya tawa ako ng tawa habang nag enjoy magreports. Actually sa galit nya sa wall ko na sya nag post na pwede naman sa messenger. Gusto yata nya mangyari ipahiya ako na sa tingin nya di ko alam kung ano context sa napagusapan.
Anyway, let's go ahead and educate na naman. So what's the issue -
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| This one was posted in my Wall |
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| This one was pasted on his own wall with a screenshot from the Group post; his message was actually filtered because to much rudeness and name-calling. |
It actually started in a group post where he posted the same subject, and I made a comment with a challenge. There goes the flooding. I don't even know if I covered all of it, for sure I didn't, but it's fun thinking about how he got exhausted on a single comment.
Again, what was the issue all about? Here, THE REBUKER was trying to point out his Unitarian view of their doctrine. At the same time, Christ obviously wants to prove that his Father is greater than him; this doesn't mean that Christ was merely a human just because he left his glory and went through mortality just to perform the atonement and end the law.
Let's try to add up some scriptural insights from the following Scriptures that he gave, and prove to him how Christ was the Son of God and not just a mere human.
"These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. - John 17:1-3"
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5
Now the question to you, THE REBUKER, just when did Christ have a glory before the world was made? Did Christ and God the Father exist in the same time and space that happens to have a glory? Does this say anything about the claim of Christ that he had been with the Father, just as in John 1?
And you did include Deuteronomy 4:39, and I don't know what you're up to in quoting this, but let's get to it -
Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. - Deuteronomy 4:39
Well, let's be clear here. The Old Testament (specifically the Book of Moses), as recorded did never said anything about Christ since the God of Israel at that time wasn't yet known to the people. But we'll see what we can get.
By the way, we don't read and get some doctrine of the bible by simply cherry-picking the parts that I like. We don't do that; rather, we read, understand, and apply the principles that have been written. The Old Testament prophets, like Moses, who was instructed by God to receive the laws for Israel in preparation to live in the land that God wanted them to live in, and all the laws and commandments were made for them also to prepare them for the higher law. The very reason why Christ came to introduce them to the higher laws and ordinances, and that law was fulfilled through him.
As I have said, they didn't know Christ yet, but some of the prophets received further revelation that could lead them to understand Christ as the Son of God, and of course, a God. Say, for example, this scripture, Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. - Isaiah 9:6
While many of the Unitarian faith, like this guy hiding in a fake account, as the THE REBUKER thought that this was not supposed to be taken literally. I don't know how you're supposed to understand it, but this is not much of a big deal to me if you read and understand the scriptures cover to cover.
So let's try to elaborate on each of them and see what we could get about Christ as a human subject to just sin, death, and everything, or maybe be judged by his own work. LOL!
Price of Peace
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. - John 14:27"
Christ has been the example and the Bearer of Peace. It was his gospel that was spread and taught to the land that gives goodness and direction in life. No comments on that if you believe in Christ. But wait, does this sound like the fulfillment of the Old Testament Prophet to you, THE REBUKER? Maybe or maybe not, it's your choice to accept the fact that Isaiah saw the Living Christ in his days. But to clear it up for you, the Disciples and Apostles already knew about Christ as the Prince and a Saviour -
"Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. - Acts 5:31"
The Mighty God
"6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. - Hebrews 1:6-7"
This has been taken as a wrong translation by some of the debates that I know, and they use other scripture versions that could contribute on their side. So, yeah, this one seems obvious, still mocked and unaccepted. Then what about let's try a different approach?
"8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: - Colosians 2:8-10"
Then why is this scripture disregarded? Why do every unitarian debate think that Godhead has nothing to do with his divine identity? How could someone have "all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" but not a God? Do we still use other translations to justify that it was all made up, or should we say wrong translation? Come on!
The Everlasting Father
We do know that Heavenly Father was the Father of all spirit children. Christ was the Begotten Son, the Savior, and Redeemer. But, in referencing Isaiah 9:6, how was he the Everlasting Father? Good question, and to be fair, this needs much attention and further understanding. Christ represents the Father during his days, as he stated in his conversation with some of the apostles or disciples."John 10:30 Jesus says, I and my Father are one,"
This didn't say anything that he was the Father, or some trinitarian would try to indicate how Christ and the Father were both the same being, but no, that doesn't sound anything like it. This simply indicates His unity with the Father and His divine nature, like the Father. He was representing our God and holds the same title while representing it.
"John 14:9 Jesus tells Philip, He that hath seen me hath seen the Father,"
Yes, I know as I have said it a while ago, this isn't literal but this does says alot about Christ divinity, as the Scripture plainly said no one had seen God and live, yet Christ does and he made it all clear that his express image shows how his Father may look if we take it that way or perhaps the attributes that he has, so basically this suggesting that He represents the Father and His eternal attributes.
"1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; - Hebrews 1:2-3"
So, what was this all about? This Epistle to the Hebrews seems to have a confusing author; no wonder THE REBUKER here would never have understood the doctrine of Christ. LOL! These verses describe the Son (will of course, the Christ) as the express image of God's person, highlighting His divine role and eternal nature.
"Revelation 1:8: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,"
Now, to you, THE REBUKER, I wonder how you could rebuke that. I know some of you think that this wasn't about Christ, this was all about the Father, or there were Two Alpha's and Two Omega's, as I have heard before. But that doesn't work. Read the verses about it that speak to Christ's eternal existence and divine authority, and yet, you people could simply find an excuse to dismiss it without knowing the context. Too Slow.
TWO SAVIOR
Speaking of two, now what about adding light to this study? What about let's try this scripture, if it matches your doctrine that Christ was just a human and not divine. Then, ask this question: would you consider a Man to save you from your Sins and Death or a God who's Eternal and Divine? Now let's check out some of the scripture that says it's own contradiction, as we could tell if we are to accept your doctrine and see how this seems to be so awkward, let me get your insights if you have after this commentary -- I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. - Isaiah 43:11
- Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. - Isaiah 45:21
- Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. - Hosea 13:4
- They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt; - Psalms 106:21
So, yeah, of course, we could care about that doctrine and theology about the Nature of God as the Saviour, and it's not an issue to me, since it's the right doctrine to follow, so why would we add Jesus Christ on this? Let's take a look at this scripture below, then ask this: why would God the Father and a saviour delegate such authority and power to save His Spirit Children to a mere man? Why do we need Christ as a saviour, while, in fact, God is already there to save us? Does God change, or does his doctrine change? I love to hear that from you, THE REBUKER. So here's the New Testament about it -
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; - Titus 3:13
Okay, so who would appear again, THE REBUKER? Was it God or the Savior or Both? Christ's words were clear: "all will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with power and great glory." Nowhere in the scripture will support that the Father will join Christ in his second coming. It is even part of your teachings that Christ will then offer His church to the Father after he comes. Which means Christ was the only God and Saviour at the Second Coming.
3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour; 4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. -Titus 1:3-4
Yes, this seems like a photocopy of the prior verse, but take a closer look. This epistle was from Paul to Titus, and the writer seems like gotten confused as to whom he would address as the Savior. Remember, God, as the scripture said, God was the ONLY savior according to the prophets, and it was the same Scripture that they used during this time; there was no New Testament yet. So obviously they know about the Laws and the Prophets and of course about Christ. So what do you think happens here, THE REBUKER?
What about this one? How do you understand this? -
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. - 2 Peter 1:1, 11
So, who was the Saviour here, actually? Seems like Peter was contradicting his own words, right THE REBUKER. Or maybe this was all about a wrong translation issue. But this is not just one time, Titus 2:13 also says the same thing, so why was that?
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; - Titus 2:13
Do you think these scriptures were wrong that Chris was both God and Saviour? I know what you're thinking: this doesn't say anything about Christ as God, so why would we just stick to this kind of idea? Well, let's go ahead with a different approach to see more of the examples.
Ye Are Gods (in small caps)
So let's try to shift the topic if everything there wasn't convincing, so what about the claim that Christ revealed himself and his divinity during his time is coming. Okay, what am I up to? The point here is to learn the context of the scripture. It is not just in a single verse that would conclude the entire Scripture, but rather the whole content and context of the Scriptures. Now, we will see some of it here and learn about the divine origin of Christ. So let's go -
It was Christ's time to introduce himself, the time that we will close the existence of his story. No, I'm not talking about the Bible in general, but the time when he was about to face the plan of the Father. It all started in John 10:22-29, where he was asked about his teachings and why he made the Jews doubt about him and his divinity. Christ never said it straight at the beginning; he taught more about parables and some other sermons. The Jews were eager to know about him, asking him everything so they could find a good ground to judge him as a false preacher or a false Christ. But everything went well as he said this short but direct answer about his attributes -
"29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.30 I and my Father are one.31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand. - John 10:29-39"
Christ was about to be stoned for blasphemy, he described clearly that He was the son of God, the Father and him are one, and he did the work of the Father. The Jews did not just agree because of this straightforward response; rather, he quoted the Scripture, thinking about what he was. Jesus quotes Psalm 82:6, which says, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." While most Unitarians use a different translation to modify the meaning of the verses, thinking that it was just something about judges of Israel, since the Jewish leaders, like the Pharisees, acted as judges, but this will lose the direct point of his words. There's no good reason to stone him for blasphemy if he meant it on a different thing, like judges or rules, where they already knew about it. Another thing the Jewish leaders thought about Christ blasphemed their teachings on the way he used the scriptures. He directly said in his quote, using the work "I said," which directly addresses the divine name. Like he used to have in John 8:33-59 about his existence before Abraham, which linked directly to John 1:1-5,9-14
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. - John 8:58-59
So, tell me, THE REBUKER. What's your best excuse for Christ's divinity revealing himself as the Son of God and, of course, a God? Would you allow yourself to be saved by just a mere man? Why not save your own?
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell? - Proverbs 30:4
The man who sees God
So, THE REBUKER, do you believe that God cannot be seen and that no man has seen the Father? So, what about you help me out with this question? Just when did the scriptures say that a mere man could see the Father and live?also -And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. - Exodus 33:20
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. - John1:18
Okay, so what about there was a man, the only man and not a God (just like you think), who saw God and that he even followed what God did? Do you believe that this scripture is contradictory? Then let me know how you reconcile to this one -
"17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5:17-18"
Now tell me, THE REBUKER, how did Christ the Human see the Father and see what the Father did? How was that possible, bypassing Exodus 33:20 and John 1:18? Why did God allow a man could see him and live? So, you're saying God could simply bend his words and dishonor them?
Well, my answer is very simple, check this out to help you in your study -
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. - John 6:46
So, where was Christ again? Does this say anything about his existence with the Father? Nah, you don't believe it anyway, LOL! So go ahead and debunk it. Another scripture said about Christ's existence, like
But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me. - John 7:29
Let me know if you have answers already. Another thing, let's try this other approach to answer your question about the CHRIST-ONLY-MAN movement. What about let's try to understand Paul's epistle to Timothy, and let's find out how Paul simply contradicts your unitarian movement. So, tell me the difference and check if Christ qualified to be a divine being. The first Chapter and verse will be our stand as God the Father, since it doesn't say anything about Christ, except for a few verses before it, and the second will be the comparison, since it talks more about Christ. I'll change the font color to help you out on this study. Ready now? -
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. - 1 Timothy 1:14-17
And compare this one that talks more about Christ. -
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. - 1 Timothy 6:14-16
Now, tell me, what did Paul do in his letter to Timothy when he described Jesus Christ, who has the same attributes or divine identity as God? Does this mean Paul was just simply contradicting himself? I don't know you, and I don't even bother about how you understand it. Still, the scripture is clear and simple. The only thing you need to do is to understand it rather than playing arrogantly, telling and attacking someone's character without knowing their identity. Only bigots have that. The question is, are you a bigot?
Creator
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell? - Proverbs 30:4
We all know that God created the Heavens and Everything on the Earth, so we're here already. Now the question here was. Does God have a co-creator, or was it just Him who created all things? Genesis 1:26 says that God was not alone during the creation. Let's check out some Scripture to see how this all works.
I gather most of the scriptural references of the subject, and we'll try to figure out how we could resolve this using your ideology, THE REBUKER.
John 1:1-3,10 - Nothing new, and I already covered this in this article, the preview text above. But what about the part where it says, "The same was in the beginning with God." How are you gonna reconcile that, THE REBUKER? These were followed by the text (compare Psalm 33:6) -
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:3 (compare Romans 11:36)He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. - John 1:10"
Sound Familiar to you? Does this sound like Christ was just a mere human? Well, I think it sounds like Nehemiah 9:6 and I don't know if this contradicts to your understanding. Tell me about it, THE REBUKER.
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him. - Colossians 1:16 ( compare Isaiah 45:12,18)"
I excluded some scriptural verses that seem redundant to the topic. But you got it already. The point here was that Christ is not just a mere human but also the creator and was in the beginning with the Father. So, how would you reconcile that in your ideology that Christ=HUMAN only study?
So, what do you think about Christ? Was he the Son of God or just a Son of Man, and was he merely a human? I don't think so. If you think I'm wrong, then go ahead and make a commentary on this scriptural reference that said everything about Christ.
There were actually a lot more in this topic proving Christ's divinity and existence. He was indeed the God of Israel and the King who was forsaken by his people. Yet he was known in our days, so why would we deny him, THE REBUKER? Why would we question his divine attributes?
