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| Before organizing the INC Religion Reenactment from the Movie Felix Manalo |
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| A cover from their Pasugo Magazines. |
From the pictures above, the first image depicts a reenactment of how Felix Manalo received the authority to perform clergy duties in his previous religions. The lineage of his authority is essentially unknown, as there are no recorded statements regarding who conferred it or what authority Felix Manalo initially had. After his excommunication for various reasons, any authority he may have received from other sects was considered invalid (it’s worth noting that this validity was questionable from the beginning—this will be addressed separately).
In the second picture, we see the process within the INC religion whereby authority is passed down from person to person, a practice established after Felix Manalo organized the church. Thus, the mystery remains: who granted Felix Manalo his original authority?
Below is a sequence of Job Bautista's plea. His reply appears to be quite biased and somewhat illogical. He attempts to support his argument with the notion that Baptism, a saving ordinance performed by John the Baptist (unrelated to Job Bautista), could never be found outside the Holy Land.
The texts in color are my comments. Let's dive in.
Jerry Nuñez Bustillo, This cult defender is asking about Baptism?
The criticisms remain unchanged, seemingly aimed at garnering support. Let's examine this more closely without resorting to name-calling or baseless accusations. Referring to someone or something as a cult without solid evidence is unproductive. It reminds me of Christ's teaching in Matthew 7:1-2: "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
So, let's strive for understanding and respectful dialogue, rather than judgment.
About 559BC . this cult people is conducting baptism in the river of Mormon. Mosiah chapter 18 . according to the story of Alma that they went to river and both of them dive and submerged themselves with Helam.
This doesn't appear to be an issue, and it seems like he is uncomfortable with the idea of performing the ordinance of Baptism. I'm not entirely sure of his intention in sharing this information. However, it has been helpful in my research. As Proverbs 27:17 states, "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend." It's encouraging to have this dialogue as we both can learn and grow from it.
Alright, let's move forward with our discussion.
No one baptized them but they’re themselves diving to the water in the river of Mormon somewhere in America . If you’d remembered that 589-600 BC they already migrated to America . According to Alma they baptized about 200 people in the river of Mormon. Mosiah 18:16
Alright, so what's the big deal? Since the discussion revolves around Baptism, it's clear that immersion in water is required. The key issue here might be about who has the authority to perform Baptisms. This could be an important topic for our discussion today with Job Bautista and his INC Doctrine.
And Mosiah according to him those are baptized in that dat was added to the Church of God or Church of Christ. Mosiah 18:17 . If you could notice that the name of Lds cult is not mentioned . Take note that this happened to America in the river of Mormon .
While the name "LDS" might not seem like a significant matter, it's essential to note that it isn't the full and correct name of the Church, which is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (see Doctrine and Covenants 115:4). Some individuals still mistakenly believe that the Church was organized during the Book of Mormon period, and they focus on issues related to the Church's name, thinking it is crucial for salvation. However, it's important to consider not just the name but the teachings, proper authority, and revelations given to the Church, as emphasized in Ephesians 4:11-14, where the importance of apostles, prophets, and proper teaching is highlighted.
On the other hand, John the Baptist conducting baptism for the forgiveness of sins . Jesus also was baptized by John the Baptist in the river of Jordan . Mark 1:9 approximately about 33 AD .
While there might not seem much to discuss, one important aspect stands out: Baptism. Baptism is for the remission of sins (see Acts 2:38), and it signifies our commitment to follow Christ. Though it is often seen as identical across different denominations, it is essential to remember that repentance is a necessary part of this sacred ordinance (see 2 Nephi 31:11-12). God desires us to be clean before entering His kingdom, as stated in Doctrine and Covenants 20:37. Jesus Christ taught us guiding principles and ordinances to help us prepare for His presence (see John 3:5).
So, the baptism of moronic doctrine 559BC that is not related , because this was done in America.
The issue of proper authority in baptism seems to be a significant part of his beliefs. Of course, being in America, it would be impractical to expect them to travel back to the promised land just to be baptized by John the Baptist and then return to America to continue their lives. This seems like a misunderstanding, reminiscent of John 1:33, where John the Baptist himself testified of the one who would baptize with the Holy Ghost.
However, let's assume for a moment that the baptism in question wasn't performed correctly. Do you have the credibility to defend the authority of Manalo to baptize in the Philippines? As stated in Hebrews 5:4, "And no one takes this honor upon himself, but he receives it when called by God, just as Aaron was." Baptism requires proper authority given by God.
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| Job Bautista's Hilarious comments. The life of John the Baptist wasn't written in full detail in the Bible. Why would INC use it as an excuse? |
Let's just leave it there for the main time and will discuss more part of your INC authority after this. Let's just move forward to complete his comments.
While John the Baptist conducting baptism in the river of Jordan . The date is about 33AD .
It might be true, or it might not be. John the Baptist preached before Christ's ministry and even before Christ was baptized (see Matthew 3:1-6). Regarding the timeline, we are limited to what is written in the four gospels available to us today. We don't have full details about John the Baptist’s life prior to the baptism of Christ. His father, a Levitical priest (see Luke 1:5-17), hid him in the wilderness, and being a descendant of Levitical priests, John the Baptist likely received his authority from his lineage. However, the exact details are not completely known.
There is also the possibility that John received revelation from God through an angel to commence his ministry and was given that authority from heaven to baptize people. Just as Christ fasted for 40 days and nights and was ministered to by angels before beginning His mission (see Matthew 4:1-11), John the Baptist may have similarly received heavenly guidance.
Matthew 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him....17 ¶ From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
So, we never knew before that or about John the Baptist mission, the only thing we knew was that God gave us a pattern on how he would call and prepare his servants to minister to his children. So, don't limit your mind by just sticking to a few texts in the Bible that didn't tell us the detail of their life. Don't assume as if it was.
This cult defender want to connect about the baptism of the people of Israel under the leadership of Moses which they receive baptism through the cloud and sea as symbolic only and no immersion in the water as what John the Baptist taught the baptism in the water and in Spirit. Mark 1:8,,also baptizing more people. John 4:1 . in which this story was copied by Joseph. Mosiah 18:16 about 200 people were baptized according to the book of fictions. ( BOM)
Interestingly, I never directly connected you with that idea; it was actually Paul who provided that example (see 1 Corinthians 10:1-2). I intended merely to show that teachings about baptism existed during those times, as well as in the New Testament. The New Testament, written in Greek, is indeed where the word "baptism" originates.
Concerning baptism, it was indeed revealed through an angel during Nephi's days (see 1 Nephi 11:27; 2 Nephi 31:5-6). Our discussion hinges on accepting the continuation of revelation, even in these latter days (see Amos 3:7).
The absence of revelation and divine authority poses a significant challenge. Without revelation, one cannot legitimately perform baptism or establish a church. I understand that this is a difficult point to accept, but remember that seeking and recognizing divine guidance is essential.
Conclusion ; this cult defender is always relying his hearsay doctrines which contradicts the Bible if not they just copied from the Bible.
Performing baptism aligns with Christ's teachings, as He Himself instituted this sacred ordinance (see Matthew 28:19). Our initial discussions demonstrated this principle clearly, though we may not see eye to eye on it.
The real issue here is not with the ordinance itself, but with the authority to perform it. According to scripture, proper authority is essential (see Hebrews 5:4), and any claim to fulfill Isaiah's prophecy must be held to the highest standards of divine authorization. Without this authority, as Christ established with His Apostles (see John 15:16), the saving ordinances cannot be carried out legitimately.
Let us continue to seek understanding and respect each other's perspectives even if we disagree.
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| Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received the authority to Baptized through John the Baptist. |
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| Joseph Smith Baptising Oliver. (They take turn) |
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| Joseph and Oliver with Peter, James and John of the twelve Apostles. The Authority to preach and organize the Church of Jesus Christ |
Upon you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; and this shall never be taken again from the earth, until the sons of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness.
In conclusion, it is essential to recognize that only those possessing the proper authority can perform saving ordinances. The scriptures emphasize the necessity of divine authority in these sacred acts. For instance, in Hebrews 5:4, we read, "And no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron." This underscores the principle that proper authority comes from God and is a critical component of legitimate ordinances in His church.
The individual known as Job Baptista fails to substantiate his claims of authority, often selecting arguments that serve his purpose as an antagonist. Scriptural teachings remind us that truth cannot thrive amidst bigotry and prejudice. In 2 Timothy 2:24-25, we are counseled, "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth."
Bigotry and antagonism blind individuals to the truth. It is only by abandoning such prejudices that one can come to a full understanding of divine principles. Acts 10:34-35 teaches us that "God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness is accepted with him." This passage invites us to approach the gospel with an open heart and mind, leaving behind any preconceived biases.
Ultimately, embracing humility and seeking genuine understanding allows one to perceive and accept divine truths. And I haven't found that personally the way you conversed with me.
Thanks and have a nice day.
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