I Am a Child of God: July 2021

Children on Sacrament: Misleading ideology of Neil Andi Anderson.

One of the Best Trash-talkers Minister of INC made some comments regarding Sacrament that he thought are against the teachings of the church of Jesus Christ.

Spoiler Alert! Most of my response to this troll was so direct and sometimes I open up comments with intimidating language reflecting his attitude. If you find some of it, it was just my way of expressing his intent and his rudeness way of conversing.

So, here we go -

He tries to make up something that Sacrament
or Banal na hapunan (in their terminology)
were not supposed to be for children.
There are a couple of Explanation on this
and the Troll Neil Andi Anderson thinks
it is an LDS doctrine.
I don't think he knows anything about Sacrament
in which he is trying to relate it
to their Banal na Hapunan.

Let's get to it -

The first is the Covenants. The scripture is plain that baptism is to those who have faith and repented of their sins. The sacrament is a remembrance of Christ Atonement and in a renewal of the covenants of a baptized person had made. Normally Sacrament is weekly as part of Sunday Devotion in remembrance of Christ atoning sacrifice with sacred emblems as bread and water symbolize flesh and blood.

1 Corinthians 11

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.

In dictionary terms, the word often means frequently, or short intervals. So, normally it should be done weekly rather than yearly as their Banal na Hapunan tradition of the INC members. But, I don't have time to waste on that thing.

The second is, to teach or set an example to our children the right way, Train them that someday they will know the ways of righteousness.

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

It's not a big deal and there's no scriptural support that says little children are not allowed.

Little children and investigators don't have any Covenants yet, but we are not limiting the sacrament exclusive for members accountable for their covenants.

Yes, sacraments are to those members who made the Covenants with God and renew it often. There's no such Doctrine not to let them (children and investigators) partake, it does not affect them since they don't know what covenant they should keep. It only affects those who already made a covenant with God but fail to keep it. Learn the difference Neil Andi Anderson (See 1 Corinthians 11:27-29)

The question to this INC troll Neil Andi Anderson is, Is it bad to teach the children the way of the Lord?

I don't think so unless you're teaching your children the wrong way to worship in your congregation as part of your belief. But, don't relate that to my belief.

Here's another from the Book of Mormon for the record -

Mosiah 4:14 And ye will not suffer your children that they go hungry, or naked; neither will ye suffer that they transgress the laws of God, and fight and quarrel one with another, and serve the devil, who is the master of sin, or who is the evil spirit which hath been spoken of by our fathers, he being an enemy to all righteousness.
15 But ye will teach them to walk in the ways of truth and soberness; ye will teach them to love one another, and to serve one another.

So, what's it all about? It was all about teaching young children and being an example to them, Neil Andi Anderson, you said you're a former Mormon, and you should have learned that in the first place. But perhaps you have a problem in accepting the truth and in setting a good example for your children. Here is another story from a Gentile writer and believer called Luke. Funny how you define Gentile as a people who don't recognize God, and yet you're a Gentile. But here's his version of Christ story -

Luke 18
15 And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Do you understand now Neil Andi Anderson? Christ himself wants the little children to come unto him and never forbid them whatever the right way for them to know the savior. The Church is too concerned for the younger generation that even parents are instructed to be a good example for them and shows them which things are right and best for them.

Parents, now is the time to teach our children to be examples of the believers by attending sacrament meeting. When Sunday morning arrives, help them to be well rested, properly dressed, and spiritually prepared to partake of the emblems of the sacrament and receive the enlightening, edifying, ennobling power of the Holy Ghost. Let your family be filled with love as you honor the Sabbath all day long and experience its spiritual blessings throughout the week. Invite your sons and daughters to “arise and shine forth” by keeping the Sabbath day holy, that “[their] light may be a standard for the nations.”

By L. Tom Perry, April 2011, The Sabbath and the Sacrament

So, my message to you Neil Andi Anderson, and if you are trolling around showing how dirty the INC Doctrine is by simply posting pieces of information you don't even know how it goes. GROW UP AND GET A LIFE. You're too immature to tell someone to change and yet you got a lot of mote in your eye if you declare yourself save as you think you are, then act as one being saved rather than a demon foul-mouthed INC member.

See how ignorant you are?
You define it wrong.
Don't call yourself a Jew,
'cause you are not.

Job Bautista in his Fail Plagiarism Study: Comparing Elijah

See colored text for my response

I don't know what this guy is up to but seems like he is trying to ruin INC's reputation. His weak study concludes that this type of religion was so ignorant in scripture study that even understanding the detail of the writing they don't even understand. He is just fooling himself or playing a fool for INC's sake. Sorry to say this guy just shows how poorly you INC people understand the scripture, change my mind.

KASAYSAYAN NI ELIAS :

Santiago 5:17 Si Elias ay isang tao na tulad din natin; nang mataimtim siyang nanalangin na huwag umulan, hindi nga umulan sa loob ng tatlong taon at anim na buwan.

Santiago 5:18 At nang siya'y nanalangin para umulan, bumagsak nga ang ulan at namunga ang mga halaman.

He's quoting James 5:17-18 then quote Helaman 11:13 that says this -

PLAGIARISM BY MORONS :

Helaman 11:13 O Panginoon, maaari bang pakinggan ninyo ako, at itulot na maganap ang alinsunod sa aking mga salita, at magpadala ng ulan sa ibabaw ng lupain, upang siya ay mamunga, at ang kanyang mga butil sa panahon ng tagsibol.

Then ask this question thinking it was copied out of some stories in the bible.

Bakit kaya itong mga Morons magaling manggagaya sa kasaysayan, kailan lang ginaya ang kasaysayan ni Abraham , Kasaysayan ni Noe , Kasaysayan ni Moises, Kasaysayan ni David at Goliat, Kasaysayan ni Saulo at heto na naman natuklasan natin na ginaya na naman ng Bulaang Propeta ang kasaysayan ni Elias ? At ito ang pinaka matindi ang kuwento ng Bulaang Propeta na nagkaroon daw ng tag init na halos umabot ng 76 years ay saka umulan pagkatapos daw nanalangin si Nephi ? Kung si Elias ay nanalangin na hindi umulan ng 3 taon ay naganap nga at nagkaroon ng tag init sa panahon nila . At muli siya nanalangin sa Diyos na umulan at saka umulan after 3 years . Alam ba ninyo na itong huwad na Propeta ng Lds cult church ay nagkaroon daw ng tag init ng halos 76 years na tag init bago umulan ng manalangin ni Nephi ? Over exaggerated ang kuwento ng Bulaang Propeta di po ba ? Kung 3 taon lang na hindi mag ulan ay malaking pinsala na ang idinulot sa mundo 76 years pa kaya ?

Funny, how he used the 76 years of famine quoting on Helaman 11:17 and thought it happen that way. He never realized the previous verses that answer his confusion. Seriously, how many Christians believe in such INC hullabaloos to something he doesn't understand. I suppose to answer it straight in the first place but it will be nice to prove how poor his comprehension of the scriptures is. Lets go and take a look prior to that -

Helaman 11:1-7

And now it came to pass in the seventy and second year of the reign of the judges that the contentions did increase, insomuch that there were wars throughout all the land among all the people of Nephi.

2 And it was this secret band of robbers who did carry on this work of destruction and wickedness. And this war did last all that year; and in the seventy and third year it did also last.

3 And it came to pass that in this year Nephi did cry unto the Lord, saying:

4 O Lord, do not suffer that this people shall be destroyed by the sword; but O Lord, rather let there be a famine in the land, to stir them up in remembrance of the Lord their God, and perhaps they will repent and turn unto thee.

5 And so it was done, according to the words of Nephi. And there was a great famine upon the land, among all the people of Nephi. And thus in the seventy and fourth year the famine did continue, and the work of destruction did cease by the sword but became sore by famine.

6 And this work of destruction did also continue in the seventy and fifth year. For the earth was smitten that it was dry, and did not yield forth grain in the season of grain; and the whole earth was smitten, even among the Lamanites as well as among the Nephites, so that they were smitten that they did perish by thousands in the more wicked parts of the land.

7 And it came to pass that the people saw that they were about to perish by famine, and they began to remember the Lord their God; and they began to remember the words of Nephi.

According to Helaman's history, the famine was around or in between Seventy and Third Year and ended on Seventy and Six Year, that approximately Three Years, but he never realized that. Why on earth everyone should listen to this guy who can't even understand the content of the scripture? So, stupid enought to claim something false he don't understand. So who's Moron now?

God's way of reminding his people and to awaken them up from their wickedness is to cast famine in the land. Biblically it's not just in the days of Elijah. Even in the days Abraham that left him no choice but to leave their land and went to Egypt (Genesis 12:10). Joseph in Egypt experience the same that took seven years of famine (Genesis 41). David experience it after Saul slays the Gebionites (2 Samuel 21:1) and so on. A prophet Nephi had ask it from the Lord cause he knew how it helps their people in remembrance of their covenants and to refrain from wickedness, see how failure you are Job? It's totally an epic failure and thank you for proving how the Book of Mormon became the word of God on your fail Study.

Ka Neil Andi Anderson, ano masasabi mo sa ating natuklasan na naman ng panggagaya ng mga Morons ?

What can you say about it, Niel Andi Anderson? Can you help your friend here?

Jasher's Art: Tank

1 Nephi 17 - 18

Chapter 17

Nephi is commanded to build a ship—His brethren oppose him—He exhorts them by recounting the history of God’s dealings with Israel—Nephi is filled with the power of God—His brethren are forbidden to touch him, lest they wither as a dried reed. About 592–591 B.C.

1 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey in the wilderness; and we did travel nearly eastward from that time forth. And we did travel and wade through much affliction in the wilderness; and our women did bear children in the wilderness.

2 And so great were the blessings of the Lord upon us, that while we did live upon raw meat in the wilderness, our women did give plenty of suck for their children, and were strong, yea, even like unto the men; and they began to bear their journeyings without murmurings.

3 And thus we see that the commandments of God must be fulfilled. And if it so be that the children of men keep the commandments of God he doth nourish them, and strengthen them, and provide means whereby they can accomplish the thing which he has commanded them; wherefore, he did provide means for us while we did sojourn in the wilderness.

4 And we did sojourn for the space of many years, yea, even eight years in the wilderness.

5 And we did come to the land which we called Bountiful, because of its much fruit and also wild honey; and all these things were prepared of the Lord that we might not perish. And we beheld the sea, which we called Irreantum, which, being interpreted, is many waters.

6 And it came to pass that we did pitch our tents by the seashore; and notwithstanding we had suffered many afflictions and much difficulty, yea, even so much that we cannot write them all, we were exceedingly rejoiced when we came to the seashore; and we called the place Bountiful, because of its much fruit.

7 And it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had been in the land of Bountiful for the space of many days, the voice of the Lord came unto me, saying: Arise, and get thee into the mountain. And it came to pass that I arose and went up into the mountain, and cried unto the Lord.

8 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto me, saying: Thou shalt construct a ship, after the manner which I shall show thee, that I may carry thy people across these waters.

9 And I said: Lord, whither shall I go that I may find ore to molten, that I may make tools to construct the ship after the manner which thou hast shown unto me?

10 And it came to pass that the Lord told me whither I should go to find ore, that I might make tools.

11 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did make a bellows wherewith to blow the fire, of the skins of beasts; and after I had made a bellows, that I might have wherewith to blow the fire, I did smite two stones together that I might make fire.

12 For the Lord had not hitherto suffered that we should make much fire, as we journeyed in the wilderness; for he said: I will make thy food become sweet, that ye cook it not;

13 And I will also be your light in the wilderness; and I will prepare the way before you, if it so be that ye shall keep my commandments; wherefore, inasmuch as ye shall keep my commandments ye shall be led towards the promised land; and ye shall know that it is by me that ye are led.

14 Yea, and the Lord said also that: After ye have arrived in the promised land, ye shall know that I, the Lord, am God; and that I, the Lord, did deliver you from destruction; yea, that I did bring you out of the land of Jerusalem.

15 Wherefore, I, Nephi, did strive to keep the commandments of the Lord, and I did exhort my brethren to faithfulness and diligence.

16 And it came to pass that I did make tools of the ore which I did molten out of the rock.

17 And when my brethren saw that I was about to build a ship, they began to murmur against me, saying: Our brother is a fool, for he thinketh that he can build a ship; yea, and he also thinketh that he can cross these great waters.

18 And thus my brethren did complain against me, and were desirous that they might not labor, for they did not believe that I could build a ship; neither would they believe that I was instructed of the Lord.

19 And now it came to pass that I, Nephi, was exceedingly sorrowful because of the hardness of their hearts; and now when they saw that I began to be sorrowful they were glad in their hearts, insomuch that they did rejoice over me, saying: We knew that ye could not construct a ship, for we knew that ye were lacking in judgment; wherefore, thou canst not accomplish so great a work.

20 And thou art like unto our father, led away by the foolish imaginations of his heart; yea, he hath led us out of the land of Jerusalem, and we have wandered in the wilderness for these many years; and our women have toiled, being big with child; and they have borne children in the wilderness and suffered all things, save it were death; and it would have been better that they had died before they came out of Jerusalem than to have suffered these afflictions.

21 Behold, these many years we have suffered in the wilderness, which time we might have enjoyed our possessions and the land of our inheritance; yea, and we might have been happy.

22 And we know that the people who were in the land of Jerusalem were a righteous people; for they kept the statutes and judgments of the Lord, and all his commandments, according to the law of Moses; wherefore, we know that they are a righteous people; and our father hath judged them, and hath led us away because we would hearken unto his words; yea, and our brother is like unto him. And after this manner of language did my brethren murmur and complain against us.

23 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, spake unto them, saying: Do ye believe that our fathers, who were the children of Israel, would have been led away out of the hands of the Egyptians if they had not hearkened unto the words of the Lord?

24 Yea, do ye suppose that they would have been led out of bondage, if the Lord had not commanded Moses that he should lead them out of bondage?

25 Now ye know that the children of Israel were in bondage; and ye know that they were laden with tasks, which were grievous to be borne; wherefore, ye know that it must needs be a good thing for them, that they should be brought out of bondage.

26 Now ye know that Moses was commanded of the Lord to do that great work; and ye know that by his word the waters of the Red Sea were divided hither and thither, and they passed through on dry ground.

27 But ye know that the Egyptians were drowned in the Red Sea, who were the armies of Pharaoh.

28 And ye also know that they were fed with manna in the wilderness.

29 Yea, and ye also know that Moses, by his word according to the power of God which was in him, smote the rock, and there came forth water, that the children of Israel might quench their thirst.

30 And notwithstanding they being led, the Lord their God, their Redeemer, going before them, leading them by day and giving light unto them by night, and doing all things for them which were expedient for man to receive, they hardened their hearts and blinded their minds, and reviled against Moses and against the true and living God.

31 And it came to pass that according to his word he did destroy them; and according to his word he did lead them; and according to his word he did do all things for them; and there was not any thing done save it were by his word.

32 And after they had crossed the river Jordan he did make them mighty unto the driving out of the children of the land, yea, unto the scattering them to destruction.

33 And now, do ye suppose that the children of this land, who were in the land of promise, who were driven out by our fathers, do ye suppose that they were righteous? Behold, I say unto you, Nay.

34 Do ye suppose that our fathers would have been more choice than they if they had been righteous? I say unto you, Nay.

35 Behold, the Lord esteemeth all flesh in one; he that is righteous is favored of God. But behold, this people had rejected every word of God, and they were ripe in iniquity; and the fulness of the wrath of God was upon them; and the Lord did curse the land against them, and bless it unto our fathers; yea, he did curse it against them unto their destruction, and he did bless it unto our fathers unto their obtaining power over it.

36 Behold, the Lord hath created the earth that it should be inhabited; and he hath created his children that they should possess it.

37 And he raiseth up a righteous nation, and destroyeth the nations of the wicked.

38 And he leadeth away the righteous into precious lands, and the wicked he destroyeth, and curseth the land unto them for their sakes.

39 He ruleth high in the heavens, for it is his throne, and this earth is his footstool.

40 And he loveth those who will have him to be their God. Behold, he loved our fathers, and he covenanted with them, yea, even Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and he remembered the covenants which he had made; wherefore, he did bring them out of the land of Egypt.

41 And he did straiten them in the wilderness with his rod; for they hardened their hearts, even as ye have; and the Lord straitened them because of their iniquity. He sent fiery flying serpents among them; and after they were bitten he prepared a way that they might be healed; and the labor which they had to perform was to look; and because of the simpleness of the way, or the easiness of it, there were many who perished.

42 And they did harden their hearts from time to time, and they did revile against Moses, and also against God; nevertheless, ye know that they were led forth by his matchless power into the land of promise.

43 And now, after all these things, the time has come that they have become wicked, yea, nearly unto ripeness; and I know not but they are at this day about to be destroyed; for I know that the day must surely come that they must be destroyed, save a few only, who shall be led away into captivity.

44 Wherefore, the Lord commanded my father that he should depart into the wilderness; and the Jews also sought to take away his life; yea, and ye also have sought to take away his life; wherefore, ye are murderers in your hearts and ye are like unto them.

45 Ye are swift to do iniquity but slow to remember the Lord your God. Ye have seen an angel, and he spake unto you; yea, ye have heard his voice from time to time; and he hath spoken unto you in a still small voice, but ye were past feeling, that ye could not feel his words; wherefore, he has spoken unto you like unto the voice of thunder, which did cause the earth to shake as if it were to divide asunder.

46 And ye also know that by the power of his almighty word he can cause the earth that it shall pass away; yea, and ye know that by his word he can cause the rough places to be made smooth, and smooth places shall be broken up. O, then, why is it, that ye can be so hard in your hearts?

47 Behold, my soul is rent with anguish because of you, and my heart is pained; I fear lest ye shall be cast off forever. Behold, I am full of the Spirit of God, insomuch that my frame has no strength.

48 And now it came to pass that when I had spoken these words they were angry with me, and were desirous to throw me into the depths of the sea; and as they came forth to lay their hands upon me I spake unto them, saying: In the name of the Almighty God, I command you that ye touch me not, for I am filled with the power of God, even unto the consuming of my flesh; and whoso shall lay his hands upon me shall wither even as a dried reed; and he shall be as naught before the power of God, for God shall smite him.

49 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto them that they should murmur no more against their father; neither should they withhold their labor from me, for God had commanded me that I should build a ship.

50 And I said unto them: If God had commanded me to do all things I could do them. If he should command me that I should say unto this water, be thou earth, it should be earth; and if I should say it, it would be done.

51 And now, if the Lord has such great power, and has wrought so many miracles among the children of men, how is it that he cannot instruct me, that I should build a ship?

52 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said many things unto my brethren, insomuch that they were confounded and could not contend against me; neither durst they lay their hands upon me nor touch me with their fingers, even for the space of many days. Now they durst not do this lest they should wither before me, so powerful was the Spirit of God; and thus it had wrought upon them.

53 And it came to pass that the Lord said unto me: Stretch forth thine hand again unto thy brethren, and they shall not wither before thee, but I will shock them, saith the Lord, and this will I do, that they may know that I am the Lord their God.

54 And it came to pass that I stretched forth my hand unto my brethren, and they did not wither before me; but the Lord did shake them, even according to the word which he had spoken.

55 And now, they said: We know of a surety that the Lord is with thee, for we know that it is the power of the Lord that has shaken us. And they fell down before me, and were about to worship me, but I would not suffer them, saying: I am thy brother, yea, even thy younger brother; wherefore, worship the Lord thy God, and honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which the Lord thy God shall give thee.

Chapter 18

The ship is finished—The births of Jacob and Joseph are mentioned—The company embarks for the promised land—The sons of Ishmael and their wives join in revelry and rebellion—Nephi is bound, and the ship is driven back by a terrible tempest—Nephi is freed, and by his prayer the storm ceases—The people arrive in the promised land. About 591–589 B.C.

1 And it came to pass that they did worship the Lord, and did go forth with me; and we did work timbers of curious workmanship. And the Lord did show me from time to time after what manner I should work the timbers of the ship.

2 Now I, Nephi, did not work the timbers after the manner which was learned by men, neither did I build the ship after the manner of men; but I did build it after the manner which the Lord had shown unto me; wherefore, it was not after the manner of men.

3 And I, Nephi, did go into the mount oft, and I did pray oft unto the Lord; wherefore the Lord showed unto me great things.

4 And it came to pass that after I had finished the ship, according to the word of the Lord, my brethren beheld that it was good, and that the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine; wherefore, they did humble themselves again before the Lord.

5 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father, that we should arise and go down into the ship.

6 And it came to pass that on the morrow, after we had prepared all things, much fruits and meat from the wilderness, and honey in abundance, and provisions according to that which the Lord had commanded us, we did go down into the ship, with all our loading and our seeds, and whatsoever thing we had brought with us, every one according to his age; wherefore, we did all go down into the ship, with our wives and our children.

7 And now, my father had begat two sons in the wilderness; the elder was called Jacob and the younger Joseph.

8 And it came to pass after we had all gone down into the ship, and had taken with us our provisions and things which had been commanded us, we did put forth into the sea and were driven forth before the wind towards the promised land.

9 And after we had been driven forth before the wind for the space of many days, behold, my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and also their wives began to make themselves merry, insomuch that they began to dance, and to sing, and to speak with much rudeness, yea, even that they did forget by what power they had been brought thither; yea, they were lifted up unto exceeding rudeness.

10 And I, Nephi, began to fear exceedingly lest the Lord should be angry with us, and smite us because of our iniquity, that we should be swallowed up in the depths of the sea; wherefore, I, Nephi, began to speak to them with much soberness; but behold they were angry with me, saying: We will not that our younger brother shall be a ruler over us.

11 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel did take me and bind me with cords, and they did treat me with much harshness; nevertheless, the Lord did suffer it that he might show forth his power, unto the fulfilling of his word which he had spoken concerning the wicked.

12 And it came to pass that after they had bound me insomuch that I could not move, the compass, which had been prepared of the Lord, did cease to work.

13 Wherefore, they knew not whither they should steer the ship, insomuch that there arose a great storm, yea, a great and terrible tempest, and we were driven back upon the waters for the space of three days; and they began to be frightened exceedingly lest they should be drowned in the sea; nevertheless they did not loose me.

14 And on the fourth day, which we had been driven back, the tempest began to be exceedingly sore.

15 And it came to pass that we were about to be swallowed up in the depths of the sea. And after we had been driven back upon the waters for the space of four days, my brethren began to see that the judgments of God were upon them, and that they must perish save that they should repent of their iniquities; wherefore, they came unto me, and loosed the bands which were upon my wrists, and behold they had swollen exceedingly; and also mine ankles were much swollen, and great was the soreness thereof.

16 Nevertheless, I did look unto my God, and I did praise him all the day long; and I did not murmur against the Lord because of mine afflictions.

17 Now my father, Lehi, had said many things unto them, and also unto the sons of Ishmael; but, behold, they did breathe out much threatenings against anyone that should speak for me; and my parents being stricken in years, and having suffered much grief because of their children, they were brought down, yea, even upon their sick-beds.

18 Because of their grief and much sorrow, and the iniquity of my brethren, they were brought near even to be carried out of this time to meet their God; yea, their grey hairs were about to be brought down to lie low in the dust; yea, even they were near to be cast with sorrow into a watery grave.

19 And Jacob and Joseph also, being young, having need of much nourishment, were grieved because of the afflictions of their mother; and also my wife with her tears and prayers, and also my children, did not soften the hearts of my brethren that they would loose me.

20 And there was nothing save it were the power of God, which threatened them with destruction, could soften their hearts; wherefore, when they saw that they were about to be swallowed up in the depths of the sea they repented of the thing which they had done, insomuch that they loosed me.

21 And it came to pass after they had loosed me, behold, I took the compass, and it did work whither I desired it. And it came to pass that I prayed unto the Lord; and after I had prayed the winds did cease, and the storm did cease, and there was a great calm.

22 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did guide the ship, that we sailed again towards the promised land.

23 And it came to pass that after we had sailed for the space of many days we did arrive at the promised land; and we went forth upon the land, and did pitch our tents; and we did call it the promised land.

24 And it came to pass that we did begin to till the earth, and we began to plant seeds; yea, we did put all our seeds into the earth, which we had brought from the land of Jerusalem. And it came to pass that they did grow exceedingly; wherefore, we were blessed in abundance.

25 And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow and the ox, and the ass and the horse, and the goat and the wild goat, and all manner of wild animals, which were for the use of men. And we did find all manner of ore, both of gold, and of silver, and of copper.

Job Bautista: Plagiarism Theory of Noah's Ark copied by Nephi - Fail

He's so obsessed with taking down the LDS doctrine but fails to understand the writings.

Here is another fail study of our best friend Job Bautista. He erroneously compares Noah's Ark to a Ship Nephi Built. Let's go and see his claim. But before that, let's watch the video on actual even about it, and let's see if we can compare it to Noah's Ark.

To view the text - Click Here

Let's just go to his funny post, shall we? From Job Bautista Facebook Account -

Nag utos ang Diyos ka Noe na gumawa ng isang Barko o Arka ni Noe!

Genesis 6:14 Kaya gumawa ka ng isang malaking Barko na yari sa kahoy na sipres. Lagyan mo ito ng mga silid at pahiran mo ng alkitran ang loob at labas nito.

Genesis 6:15 Ang barkong gagawin mo ay 135 metro ang haba, 22 metro ang luwang, at 13.5 metro ang taas.

Ang kasaysayan ni Noe ay muling ginaya ng Bulaang Propeta na si Nephi at pinalitan nalang ang charterer at lugar ng pangyayari. Basahin natin sa aklat ng mga Morons ;

1 Nephi 17:8 At ito ay nangyari na, na nangusap sa akin ang Panginoon, sinasabing: Ikaw ay gumawa ng isang sasakyang-dagat, alinsunod sa pamamaraang ipakikita ko sa iyo, upang maitawid ko ang iyong mga tao sa kabila ng mga tubig na ito

Kita po ninyo ang mga kuwento sa huwad na aklat ng mga Morons ay totoong mga fictions story po lamang at gaya gaya puto maya, di po ba? Wala talagang originality itong huwad na Propeta! Marami pa akong natuklasan na kabulastugan na kuwento ng mga Morons!

Look how poor and how he miserably failed to understand the scriptures. So let's take a look at the individual settings.

From Noah, we learn that God wants to preserve Noah and his family from the great flood. And this was the plot -

He was instructed to build an ark according to God's plan or instructions. According to his referred verses, there are measurements given
After it was built, a pair of creatures were joining them on board to preserve its kind or species.
The ark was ready for the flood so they stay inside.
The flood rises and all the people and every living creature died in the flood.
They stayed for 40 days and 40 nights in the flood.

And according to Nephi's account here's how the plot goes -

Nephi was instructed to build a ship, though they're already blessed in the Land Bountiful yet the Lord wants them to lead away on that land.
They have with their families together, but not eight souls as Noah's days. Their women already bear children.
They gathered their food.
No, specific kind of Animal they must bring.
There is Ocean, not a flood.
They journey for no specific number of days.
They arrive in the promised land.

I don't see any similarity, except for the vessel they need. Normally, if you want to Travel or avoid not to be drawn in the sea, of course, you need a ship or a vessel to travel you in a safe land.

I don't think it copies the same event as the days of Noah. He thinks he's smart enough in finding errors in the Book of Mormon. Nice try Job Bautista, but you may try it again and find better evidence.

INC Fundamental-Belief Under the Microscope: Episode 2

From Fundamental Teachings
of Iglesia Ni Christo

According to INC, the Prophecy of Gathering to the West has already started when -

Bro. Eraño Manalo officiated the first worship in Hawaii... And was followed by another gathering in Francisco California...

Seriously? How do you understand the word Gathering vs Worship? Was it because they gather for worship then it was fulfilled?

And how could you define this fulfillment using an Almanac? Since this country is west in geographical site, do you use this tool just to claim that it is fulfilled?

Don't tell me that the next on the list will be your next Target to make a declaration that it is fulfilled.

INC please, when will you grow up? Almanac in exchange for the Bible? Since when? Or do you understand the restoration of the tribe and gathering of Israel?

Job Bautista, I think you have a better idea.

This is a question to Job Bautista who question and Criticized the LDS teachings. If you are an INC who wants to help him answer the questions.

INC Fundamental-Belief Under the Microscope: Episode 2

From Fundamental Teachings
of Iglesia Ni Christo

According to INC, the Prophecy of Gathering to the West has already started when -

Bro. Eraño Manalo officiated the first worship in Hawaii... And was followed by another gathering in Francisco California...

Seriously? How do you understand the word Gathering vs Worship? Was it because they gather for worship then it was fulfilled?

And how could you define this fulfillment using an Almanac? Since this country is west in geographical site, do you use this tool just to claim that it is fulfilled?

Don't tell me that the next on the list will be your next Target to make a declaration that it is fulfilled.

INC please, when will you grow up? Almanac in exchange for the Bible? Since when? Or do you understand the restoration of the tribe and gathering of Israel?

Job Bautista, I think you have a better idea.

This is a question to Job Bautista who question and Criticized the LDS teachings. If you are an INC who wants to help him answer the questions.

1 Nephi 8

Lehi sees a vision of the tree of life—He partakes of its fruit and desires his family to do likewise—He sees a rod of iron, a strait and narrow path, and the mists of darkness that enshroud men—Sariah, Nephi, and Sam partake of the fruit, but Laman and Lemuel refuse. About 600–592 B.C.

1 And it came to pass that we had gathered together all manner of seeds of every kind, both of grain of every kind, and also of the seeds of fruit of every kind.

2 And it came to pass that while my father tarried in the wilderness he spake unto us, saying: Behold, I have dreamed a dream; or, in other words, I have seen a vision.

3 And behold, because of the thing which I have seen, I have reason to rejoice in the Lord because of Nephi and also of Sam; for I have reason to suppose that they, and also many of their seed, will be saved.

4 But behold, Laman and Lemuel, I fear exceedingly because of you; for behold, methought I saw in my dream, a dark and dreary wilderness.

5 And it came to pass that I saw a man, and he was dressed in a white robe; and he came and stood before me.

6 And it came to pass that he spake unto me, and bade me follow him.

7 And it came to pass that as I followed him I beheld myself that I was in a dark and dreary waste.

8 And after I had traveled for the space of many hours in darkness, I began to pray unto the Lord that he would have mercy on me, according to the multitude of his tender mercies.

9 And it came to pass after I had prayed unto the Lord I beheld a large and spacious field.

10 And it came to pass that I beheld a tree, whose fruit was desirable to make one happy.

11 And it came to pass that I did go forth and partake of the fruit thereof; and I beheld that it was most sweet, above all that I ever before tasted. Yea, and I beheld that the fruit thereof was white, to exceed all the whiteness that I had ever seen.

12 And as I partook of the fruit thereof it filled my soul with exceedingly great joy; wherefore, I began to be desirous that my family should partake of it also; for I knew that it was desirable above all other fruit.

13 And as I cast my eyes round about, that perhaps I might discover my family also, I beheld a river of water; and it ran along, and it was near the tree of which I was partaking the fruit.

14 And I looked to behold from whence it came; and I saw the head thereof a little way off; and at the head thereof I beheld your mother Sariah, and Sam, and Nephi; and they stood as if they knew not whither they should go.

15 And it came to pass that I beckoned unto them; and I also did say unto them with a loud voice that they should come unto me, and partake of the fruit, which was desirable above all other fruit.

16 And it came to pass that they did come unto me and partake of the fruit also.

17 And it came to pass that I was desirous that Laman and Lemuel should come and partake of the fruit also; wherefore, I cast mine eyes towards the head of the river, that perhaps I might see them.

18 And it came to pass that I saw them, but they would not come unto me and partake of the fruit.

19 I beheld a rod of iron, and it extended along the bank of the river, and led to the tree by which I stood.

20 And I also beheld a strait and narrow path, which came along by the rod of iron, even to the tree by which I stood; and it also led by the head of the fountain, unto a large and spacious field, as if it had been a world.

21 And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were pressing forward, that they might obtain the path which led unto the tree by which I stood.

22 And it came to pass that they did come forth, and commence in the path which led to the tree.

23 And it came to pass that there arose a mist of darkness; yea, even an exceedingly great mist of darkness, insomuch that they who had commenced in the path did lose their way, that they wandered off and were lost.

24 And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mist of darkness, clinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partake of the fruit of the tree.

25 And after they had partaken of the fruit of the tree they did cast their eyes about as if they were ashamed.

26 And I also cast my eyes round about, and beheld, on the other side of the river of water, a great and spacious building; and it stood as it were in the air, high above the earth.

27 And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female; and their manner of dress was exceedingly fine; and they were in the attitude of mocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come at and were partaking of the fruit.

28 And after they had tasted of the fruit they were ashamed, because of those that were scoffing at them; and they fell away into forbidden paths and were lost.

29 And now I, Nephi, do not speak all the words of my father.

30 But, to be short in writing, behold, he saw other multitudes pressing forward; and they came and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down and partook of the fruit of the tree.

31 And he also saw other multitudes feeling their way towards that great and spacious building.

32 And it came to pass that many were drowned in the depths of the fountain; and many were lost from his view, wandering in strange roads.

33 And great was the multitude that did enter into that strange building. And after they did enter into that building they did point the finger of scorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also; but we heeded them not.

34 These are the words of my father: For as many as heeded them, had fallen away.

35 And Laman and Lemuel partook not of the fruit, said my father.

36 And it came to pass after my father had spoken all the words of his dream or vision, which were many, he said unto us, because of these things which he saw in a vision, he exceedingly feared for Laman and Lemuel; yea, he feared lest they should be cast off from the presence of the Lord.

37 And he did exhort them then with all the feeling of a tender parent, that they would hearken to his words, that perhaps the Lord would be merciful to them, and not cast them off; yea, my father did preach unto them.

38 And after he had preached unto them, and also prophesied unto them of many things, he bade them to keep the commandments of the Lord; and he did cease speaking unto them.

Inside 1 Nephi 14:3 - Job Bautista's Reading Problem

Alright, so here we are again facing another foolish claim from our best friend Job Bautista. He never understands what content and context of the scriptures.

Let's dive into his claim and see how funny it is using contextual fallacy and claim it to something else.

I just don't know if you're trolling the INC or you have a reading comprehension problem.
But it seems you need help.
Please ask your minister to help you
understand what you read.

From his Facebook post, he declares that Joseph built a church, and here is the question he asks. What are the claims or admitted to the church he built? He follows it in quoting 1 Nephi 14:3 and here's what it says -

3And that great pit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that hell which hath no end.

Does it say something about Joseph's claim? Or maybe, he misplaced it again as he did on his previous post?

What is 1 Nephi 14:3 was all about?

Okay, so what's it all about. First of all, 1 Nephi 14 was a revelation that was given to Nephi about his father's dream. See Chapter 8 about Lehi's vision.

Job Bautista assumes that, because the word church was mentioned as the great and abominable church, he made a claim that is the LDS church not knowing where he quote it. He had a problem in reading the content as to what it is, where it was, how it was given, or whom it addressed. Hasty Generalizations had led him to a fallacy called Contextonomy Fallacy.

From logicallyfallacious.com see examples on the link.

Job Bautista, made a terrible error in using the context that made him fool on his foolishness. I don't know if this guy is trolling in INC or maybe he represents INC to fool someone in his social media account. So sad, any INC out there could help him out on his fallacious argument that has nothing to do with his claim, so childish and senseless. The question might be, how many INC agree to his error? It will be a disaster on their doctrine, this will prove how they misrepresent the scriptures and they ate not mindful in their studies.

Another Empty Accusation from our Friendly INC: Job Bautista - Part 2

Ridicule is the first and last argument of a fool. - Charles Simmons

Just an update since he updated his first post and made changes to it, I'll make this part 2 of that same issue to our friendly neighborhood Job Bautista.

If you missed part 1, then here's the link for you just follow it and see the sad ending of his claim. The Link here

So, before we started, we'd establish the last time about strawman fallacy and how strawman and ad hominem sometimes were put together. In this episode, we can see how our friend Job Bautista knows nothing about his post and rather made an attempt to point his fingers towards my post and faith with erroneous information. Let's get to it -

He added a paragraph that says
Joseph Smith is a polygamist
So, it's right to say that it was of the Devil?
Are you Kidding Me?

I will not make any additional comments about what I just said the last time, except for some of the lines he added, if you want to see my responses, just check out part one article of this episode.

Anyway, look how empty his brain was, the accusation was all about the church, and here goes a personal insult calling out my name and some ad hominem. This guy needs a better life. I supposed someone could help him call his psychiatrist.

Joseph Smith Polygamy has nothing to do with church organization and it seems like you attack some parts that make the topic more sensitive so that everyone would be caught up your attention. You're wrong, first of all, marriage is ordained by God and it's not about Sexual Intercourse like most of the INC member group who doesn't even have proof of Joseph's Acts. There is evidence of his Marriage either on this life or for eternity. Will sad to say, you folks don't know that because to you when it comes to marriage it was all about sex. What a shame?!

See, updates of this blog soon and I'll post Joseph's polygamy and who was involved. It will be on a separate post.

So back to the criticism from our dearest friend Job Bautista. Sorry, you just simply misinformed, you need to dig up history, it's your assignment.

As I said earlier in this blog post.
The church name was never an issue.

It was over and over, this guy needs to clear up something in his mind. The church name is not the issue rather structural organization and revelation. Big difference, still don't get it? You should answer my previous post about it, here are some of my old lines for you that you never answer for a long-long time I assume you have the answer now -

I ask you this question one time.
Did you answer it?
You keep on repeating your deadlines
and yet you can not expound it.

The second post I address to you.
Still left no answers.
You just simply ignore it,
while other INC are tough enough
to face the question.

You think you're good enough to challenge me with your understanding and yet you came up concluding you debunk me? Nice try, but try a little bit harder.

And for the update let's try to face your comments under that post. It's good to have some side comments included in this topic. Let see how you fooled yourself -

Sorry, Seems like you're confused?
Yes, Christ redeem his Church,
so you're certain that it is INC?

Look how stupid you are in your understanding. We already established how a church goes in our previous episode and you're still here hoping for a change. Game over that doesn't count.

If you forgot the previous post Go back here to see it.

And here's how his crying goes. So much whining.

You're quoting for what? 😳
You got confused by your
own fallacious argument.

I don't see any confession and it is not Helaman who says. I just don't know what happen to you lately. Just calm down and don't stress yourself too much. And by the way, I'm so impressed that you read the Book of Mormon, even though you can't find things that are contrary to it. Just keep on reading, someday you'll know how it was all said and how it all goes. Read the whole chapter to learn the basic history.

Okay, so simple things that you said, you're not a minister, then you have no rights to minister right, Job Bautista? If so, then you can show me proof that you are not, and also, if you're not a minister, then there's no reason for me to believe you? Why should I listen to an uninspired member who keeps bubbling on the internet? No need to hide in a fake account and act too childish. Seems all your post are too weak to argue. Anyway, let's try another post of yours.

Wow! just wow!
Do you understand the content of that book?

The funny part, you insist that this church the devil built was no other than the LDS church, but the fun facts are the similarities of the church that was built by the Gentile nation and I don't know. Did Felix Manalo receive any direction from heaven to build up his kingdom? Tell me more about it Job Bautista.

Okay, so let's do it all over again since our very own friend Job Bautista can't keep up, he needs additional teachings okay so I'll volunteer for you my friend Job Bautista.

First of all, the church was to be built by a Gentile. If you start from the very beginning of the book, you'll realize that these people who were the authors of the said Book of Mormon were remnants of the House of Israel of the tribe of Joseph. They are not Gentile, but rather belong to the House of Israel. Just to sum it up. You made a wrong conclusion of your stupidity. Some of my friends saw your post in this blog and commented on your weak comments and the Hasty generalization of the Book of Mormon. You're making a wrong link and timeline and even history that doesn't even make sense.

That's so embarrassing.
Anyway, what's a Hasty Generalization?

Since you make too many fallacious arguments, it will be better to understand what fallacy you're using. I would like to add that here for your reference Brother Job Bautista.

Here's one from the https://writingcooperative.com

You're just mixing up the contents that didn't even happen that way. Creating fallacious comments leads you to fail to understand the text or the scripture itself. I suggest you better ready the content first before creating an argument or rather pick up something you think would satisfy the readers. That won't work, and as your failure says "Job Bautista Butata his own words".

In an attempt to respond to my questions,
see the next image below

His reply in FB comments.
And what do you think I made such a story?
What I'm thinking it's 1 Thessalonians 3:4
Or maybe you are trying to point me
to something else.

Okay, your response is nothing more than ignorance. I'll like to use that verse you posted and it seems too odd in your claim. Let's try to look at it and learn —

1 Thessalonians 3:3-4

3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.

4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

So, I'll ask you. When was the first time you receive persecutions or criticisms from us? Could you cite some of it? Or maybe, you misunderstood the verses as always? Ask me back and I'll answer it straight that it was all over in social media, the hatred of your members to some other religious faith that led me to protect those who can't fight for their right of religion. INC was created to hate others' faith and to defame prove me wrong and quote it from your leader's mouth. If you can't then there's nothing to argue.

I never accused you, Job Bautista, I simply responded to your accusation to my faith. Don't be stupid and I don't want any cry baby asking for help by just twisting the issue. You fail and you'll never gonna learn.

And by the way, the luxury vehicles and signature dresses were not my ideas. It was on the internet, I just borrow some of it, if you think it's not true, then you better prove it. Ask some ministers in your place how they got it. But anyway, it's not a big issue. Everyone aims to live a convenient life, that's the very reason why your ministers are too busy making money in your church. Don't worry it's not my words, it's from other sources. You have the right to correct me anytime just be sure you supported it with your latest revelations received by your ministers.

I never said to defame the LDS church.
But perhaps we can arrange that.
Do you understand the word IHAYAG?

So, I'm wrong that Pasugo was created by uninspired members for defaming, degrading, or criticizing Catholicism since they are the first religion in this country. You do think so and you use the word IHAYAG instead. IHAYAG simply means to reveal, so the questions hang, what part of revelation that your own Sugo should reveal? Did he receive revelations lately? So, do you have the right to do such without anything given from heaven? Try reading your scriptures so you will know how revelation works.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

So, who has the right to receive revelations, that has the right to reveal? It's the prophet, not the Pasugo, and not even Felix Manalo. So please don't be too stupid in making excuses. There are many articles in Pasugo that say about catholic beliefs and some statistics comparing your INC achievements. It is so childish, don't even think of defending such a nonsense article of your Pasugo Magazine written by uninspired men.

Seriously?
Ask some bloggers who do the same works
As I did and tell them how much they got.

And where in the world did you get that idea. I like it since it's too hard to work nowadays with minimum pay for 8-hour work. That would be great if you teach me how it goes. 😁😁😁 LOL!

You're stripe with much envy as the vanity of your soul like the old preacher in the Bible says. You need to have a living brother and I'm serious, get a life. I can see how miserable you are, you're not happy with your pride and anger.

Are you sure about that?

Look at you Job Bautista? You even envied such a little thing and/or the success of others. You have a mental problem. And by the way for your information. I'd been blogging for a long long time and I never earn much even from the very start of doing this blog. Do you think making money by just making an article will make you rich? Ask some bloggers who are doing the same stuff as I did and ask him how much would it cost? How many bloggers agreed to your own pointless opinion. Try asking one.

Below is my account and see how much I earned from the very start 'til present.

See the video about my Adsense account.

Such a useless brain you got there. Are you sure you're serious about your allegation? I will invite you again, please have a life. And stop fooling yourself.

Jasher's Modular topics: Freedom of Religion and Respect.

Another Empty Accusation from our Friendly INC: Job Bautista

Remember the last time how this Friend of ours got debunk of his own foolishness. He'll never learned and yet he comes up to another idea on his own that proved his foolishness. I pity this minister so much that sometimes I feel how hopeless and miserable his life just to make a good accusation, and yet it ended up how immatured his thinking and so childish.

Oh well, let's dive in to another stupid post to our dearest friend, hope he enjoy this post for him.

Okay, so where did you get that idea?

The Word "Pagamin" in English means something he admitted. So, Joseph Smith Jr admitted using the verse from the Book of Mormon, that he build up a church of the Devil or should we use the word, the Devil own or built it.

Seriously Job Bautista, where in the world did you got that idea? What comes up in your mind using that kind of stupid logic?

Okay, so let's clear this up and we'll try to go back to our scripture and learn from it. We'll try to look at the very verse and background of that verse and some other verses that he used.

Church that was Built?

On that chapter which is 1 Nephi 13 it was all about the interpretation of Lehi's dream (ch 8) in which the angel appeared to Nephi to minister to him and to reveal the things his father saw in a dream. Let's start from the verses that made his statement and I'll put some ensight for our friend Job Bautista so he may learn how to study the scripture rather pickup things for his own exhibits. The colored text are my comments some highlights could be a quotes. The verses below -

4 And it came to pass that I saw among the nations of the Gentiles the formation of a great church.

There's no specific place or specific organizations that was built. So far, the only record we know that it was form among the nations of the gentiles. I will not make or claim which organization it is, the writer is not specific about the standards of their teachings, also just as the last time that I share about the Church definition was all about an organized body of believers. For me it could be anything or it could be a non-Christian believers (as my opinion goes). Okay so back to the topic. Sounds familiar to you Job Bautista? Who could it be?

5 And the angel said unto me: Behold the formation of a church which is most abominable above all other churches, which slayeth the saints of God, yea, and tortureth them and bindeth them down, and yoketh them with a yoke of iron, and bringeth them down into captivity.

6 And it came to pass that I beheld this great and abominable church; and I saw the devil that he was the founder of it.

Here are some of the common activity of the said organization, if we are about to dig the history of Christian Era, there were some of the said persecutions happened during those early days even outside Jewish nations since the preaching of the gospel after christ ascended to heaven was in force in Gentile nation. Most of the Persecution are torturing. But let's clarify this thing first, it was a vision, the real or actual thing will happen, will be beyond those days. So, the vision Nephi saw was all about the Persecution of the saints. Persecution could be physical or maybe something like accusation just as our brother Job Bautista here who shows a perfect example of it, and fulfill the prophecy.

7 And I also saw gold, and silver, and silks, and scarlets, and fine-twined linen, and all manner of precious clothing; and I saw many harlots.

8 And the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold the gold, and the silver, and the silks, and the scarlets, and the fine-twined linen, and the precious clothing, and the harlots, are the desires of this great and abominable church.

Sounds familiar to you Job Bautista? How many ministers like you who owns luxurious vehicles and signatured bags and dresses from the tithes of your people? Do you think serving the kingdom of God was all about money? How many house of some retired ministers were built for them to rest from their labors in the INC kingdom? You better know that Job Bautista its your church.

9 And also for the praise of the world do they destroy the saints of God, and bring them down into captivity.

Was it familiar to you my friend Job Bautista? For the praise or the world? Pasugo was created to defame other religious organizations and brag about the achievements, the buying of old religious structure and claim the overthrown by INC organizations. The INC media with some conversion reinactment to make a claim that your church is better than the others. Don't make me laugh about it. I'm am not against any religious teachings and I'll do respect their rights of belief, but for defaming? How many people have you fooled?

Again, it is not about the church who Joseph Smith belongs but rather an organization that will happen ahead of their time. You just simply mislead yourself. And Joseph never made a church on his own. You must understand that he receive relevation unlike the last messenger of yours who claimed to be in the last days. Sorry Job Bautista I do think you need a life. You're a minister hiding in a fake account why can't you just simply minister to us the goodness of God through your preaching rather trying to temp someone's belief. Then you're facing in a wrong person. Try a little harder next time.

Have you seen how poor your Logic is?
Simply because you love cherry-picking.

You did it on purpose?
Sad to say, you're fooled by your own logic.
It is what you are now.
Let me suggest to call your psychiatrist ASAP.

The Church that Christ built.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Using that verse won't guaranty you to be the only church that was built by Christ as Peter received it's directions. It will be hard to know which is which if you don't know how it was built. It will be an interesting topic so I'll make a separate post about it.

To answer to our dearest friend here who seems so lost in biblical teaching. It was Christ who built his Church and it doesn't teach us church name as I mentioned to you every time in our discussions. Church name is never the issue but rather a church organization and I found a lot of lacking structures in your organizations, one of those was revelations and authority.

Felix Manalo never claim he receive authority from God to build his church, he never claim he receive revelations or visions, or Angelic Visitations. Never in his time. If you want to compare someones religions and call someone as cult, be sure you have all the details of your religion.

Quoting verse that everyone can quote will never lead me or us to the truth. It won't work. How many religious group use it, new religion will arise and will still quote it on and on. The catholic church quoted it and the gates of hell never prevail against it. So, what gives?

As I said earlier it the organization structure. You may present that to me anytime and let's deal on it if you want. So, don't make a senseless claim that everyone can do. You're just making yourself a fool.

And in response to some of the verses you use. I just don't know why you quote it. Maybe it's related to the topic. But anyway, I'm reposting it in King James Version. I don't make an attempt on making a long comments about it since you haven't tried to explain it in your post.

John 10
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
...
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Basically, we believe that only in and through Christ we all be saved by his grace after all we can do. So, yes he is the savior and our Redeemer. The Son of God, and the God of Salvation.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The other sheep that Christ declares were those believers who once belong to Israel and parted their way to a different nation. Though Christ did have any opportunity to minister to them during his mortal ministry. He promise to bring them back to his fold. He fulfilled that promise by visiting them after his resurrection, tarry with them and taught them about the Kingdom of God. More information about this topic will be posted in separate post.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

It was Christ blood the Son of God who atone for everyone sin, and that everyone has the access back to our Father in Heaven through the guidance of the Holy Ghost, and if we follow Christ through the gospel in his Church that he built with proper authority and organization.

Jasher's Art - 07.08.2021 part 2

Job Bautista Acts 20:17

Here's another post from one of our dearest friend minister who never learn to look at his own content. He's trying to convince me, I would really like to, but I'm not a fool like himself. 😁😁😁

Since he wants his reputation be known, then so be it. Let's dive in to one of his stupidities and arrogant post and how this guy was so unlearn about his own religion teaching.

Ok so let's dive -

One of the arrogant post from INC Minister
who hides it's account.
Sorry but what I'm thinking
you missed the right verse.
This supposed to be The Acts 20:28
not the Acts 20:17.
Or maybe I'm not updated? 😂😂😂

The Church of Christ

First of all, it was never a Concern. How many times this guy was disprove in his own group that the name of the church was never the concern. If that's be the case, the only thing we should do or at least some other Christian church must do, is to rename the church, and there goes salvation 😳. Sorry, that won't work my friend. Let's try to take a look some of the known churches in the scriptures.

Romans 16:4 Churches of the Gentile

Romans 16:16 Churches of Christ (Own by INC 🤣)

1 Corinthians 11:16 Churches of God

1 Corinthians 14:33 Churches of the Saints

1 Corinthians 16:1 Churches of Galatia (Galatians 1:2)

1 Corinthians 16:19 Churches of Asia (see list below)

Revelation 1:11

- Ephesus

- Smyrna

- Pergamos

- Thyatira

- Sardis

- Philadelphia

- Laodicea.

2 Corinthians 8:1 Churches of Macedonia

Galatians 1:22 Churches of Judaea (possibly the first organized group)

1 Thesalonians 2:14 Churches of God in Judaea

Some others - Acts 15:41 Syria and Cilicia

Does it says about a certain church name to be save or certain church that was purchased by God through his Blood? There are lots of it, so which one could be the right name?

Can you cite your answer here Job Bautista? I'm pretty sure you'd read my blog. Use the comment to post your answer if you can.

Organization

And this one seems the very interesting part. If you came up to read those verses that I posted was, their mission was to stablish a Church in certain areas, and a Church is not basically a structure that was named or registed in a government organization but rather a group of people organized to establish the kingdom of God through teaching the Gospel.

In dictionary terminology the word Church in Capital form simply mean, a body, group or organization of religious believers.

The Book of Mormon in which our Friend Job Bautista was trying to disprove were just simply a group of people who made a covenants and believe in the atonement of Christ, that is why this people called the Church of Christ.

The one church is the whole body gathered together from all ages — J. H. Newman

Here's some of the text and notice the higlighted for you Job Bautista, to see your foolishness (Mosiah 18:1,17-18 see below) -

1 And now, it came to pass that Alma, who had fled from the servants of king Noah, repented of his sins and iniquities, and went about privately among the people, and began to teach the words of Abinadi—

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17 And they were called the church of God, or the church of Christ, from that time forward. And it came to pass that whosoever was baptized by the power and authority of God was added to his church.

18 And it came to pass that Alma, having authority from God, ordained priests; even one priest to every fifty of their number did he ordain to preach unto them, and to teach them concerning the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

So here are some points you need to ponder Job Bautista -

1. Was is all about register church name? No, Alma who serve the wicked king repented and went away to the people to spread the Gospel.

2. How did they call a Church? Simple, they organized and they call others to teach the people about the Kingdom of God.

3. So, was it church name a necessity to be save? No, it's not how it says, but rather the Organization that has the authority to perform sacred things for salvation, such as baptism.

Sorry, try again convincing me.
You must have a better understanding
of your teaching rather
claiming someone's faith is false.
Nice try.

Sorry, will you repeat that
using official translation?

Acts20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

YOU always use that translation to avoid the conflict. But we are not a fool as you are.

INC Minister who never learn.