Gaano daw karami Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? Sige nga kwento mo nga dito kung gaano ka rami.
“𝙏𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙗𝙚𝙡𝙤𝙬 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙅𝙤𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙝 𝙆𝙖𝙫𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙜𝙝'𝙨 𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙡𝙚 𝙧𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙎𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙏𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙁𝙖𝙡𝙡 - 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙈𝙧. 𝙈𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙡𝙤 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙤𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙨 𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙭𝙖𝙘𝙩 𝙘𝙡𝙖𝙞𝙢 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝟭𝟴𝟯𝟯 𝙈𝙚𝙩𝙚𝙤𝙧 𝙎𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙢. 𝙄 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙣𝙚𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙛𝙤𝙘𝙪𝙨 𝙢𝙪𝙘𝙝 𝙤𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙚𝙫𝙖𝙣𝙩, 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙄 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙬𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙥𝙤𝙞𝙣𝙩 𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙖𝙠𝙚𝙣 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙚 "𝘼𝙣𝙜 𝙨𝙪𝙡𝙤 𝙨𝙖 𝙄𝙠𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙮𝙖𝙠 𝙨𝙖 𝙄𝙜𝙡𝙚𝙨𝙞𝙖 𝙆𝙖𝙩𝙤𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙖 𝘼𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙤𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙖 𝙍𝙤𝙢𝙖𝙣𝙖" 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙗𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙮 𝙚𝙙𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙋𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙜𝙤 𝙞𝙛 𝙄'𝙢 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙢𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙠𝙚𝙣, 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙘𝙩 𝙢𝙚 𝙞𝙛 𝙄'𝙢 𝙬𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙜. 𝘼𝙣𝙙, 𝙄 𝙜𝙪𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙢𝙖𝙙𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙖𝙘𝙠 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝘾𝙖𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙡𝙞𝙘 𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙡𝙪𝙙𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙖𝙞𝙙 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙍𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝟲:𝟭𝟮-𝟭𝟯.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: Oh, so now you resort to digging into Catholic sources that criticize the beliefs of the Iglesia Ni Cristo?And then what? try to make it appear that our position on this very topic is somehow in error? That reeks of argumentum ad verecundiam, my friend.
And let me remind you, the book 𝘈𝘯𝘨 𝘚𝘶𝘭𝘰 𝘴𝘢 𝘐𝘬𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘺𝘢𝘬 𝘴𝘢 𝘐𝘨𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘢 𝘒𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘢 𝘈𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘢 𝘙𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘢 was never written to attack the Catholic faith. In fact, Bro. Felix Manalo himself, the author of that book, made it clear when he said:
“𝗔𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗸𝗹𝗮𝘁 𝗻𝗮 𝗶𝘁𝗼’𝘆 𝗦𝗨𝗟𝗢𝗡𝗚 𝗺𝗮𝗴𝗯𝗶𝗯𝗶𝗴𝗮𝘆 𝗹𝗶𝘄𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗴 𝘀𝗮 𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗼 𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗻𝗮𝗴𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗶𝘀 𝗺𝗮𝗸𝗮𝘀𝘂𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝗸𝗮𝘁𝗼𝘁𝗼𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗽𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗻𝗶 𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀 𝗮𝘁 𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗹. 𝗔𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗸𝗹𝗮𝘁 𝗻𝗮 𝗶𝘁𝗼’𝘆 𝗮𝗮𝗸𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗸𝗮𝘆𝗼 𝘀𝗮 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗮 𝗻𝗴 𝗕𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗻𝗮 𝗞𝗮𝘀𝘂𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗮𝗻 𝗻𝗮 𝗻𝗮𝗴𝗹𝗮𝗹𝗮𝗵𝗮𝗱 𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝘂𝗻𝗴𝗸𝗼𝗹 𝘀𝗮 𝗶𝗴𝗹𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗮𝘆𝗼 𝗻𝗶 𝗖𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗼 𝗮𝘁 𝗶𝗽𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗹. 𝗦𝗮 𝗮𝗸𝗹𝗮𝘁 𝗻𝗮 𝗶𝘁𝗼’𝘆 𝗶𝗻𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘂𝘀𝘂𝗺𝗽𝘂𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗴𝗮 𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗮 𝗻𝗴 𝗸𝗮𝘀𝗮𝘆𝘀𝗮𝘆𝗮𝗻 𝗻𝗮 𝗻𝗮𝗴𝗽𝗮𝗽𝗮𝘁𝗼𝘁𝗼𝗼 𝘀𝗮 𝗜𝗴𝗹𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗮 𝗞𝗮𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗮 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗮 𝗥𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗮.” [Manalo, Felix Y. 𝘈𝘯𝘨 𝘚𝘶𝘭𝘰 𝘴𝘢 𝘐𝘬𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘺𝘢𝘬 𝘴𝘢 𝘐𝘨𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘢 𝘒𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘢 𝘈𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘢 𝘙𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘢; Quezon City, Philippines: Ang Pasugo © 1947, paunang salita (foreword) section]
In English:
“𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗶𝘀 𝗮 𝘁𝗼𝗿𝗰𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗴𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗱𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗿𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘂𝘁𝗵𝘀 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗹𝗲𝘀. 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗴𝘂𝗶𝗱𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗛𝗼𝗹𝘆 𝗦𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗽𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘀𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗸 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗵𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗵 𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗖𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗹𝗲𝘀. 𝗜𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗯𝗼𝗼𝗸, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗱𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗳𝘆 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗥𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗖𝗮𝘁𝗵𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗰 𝗔𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗰 𝗖𝗵𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗵.”
Now tell medoes this truly sound like an ATTACK on the Catholic faith? My friend, you should have taken the time to read the introduction, preface, or foreword of the book before leaping to hasty conclusions. And yes, Joseph J. Kavanagh did write an article commenting on Bro. Manalo’s book, particularly on Rev. 6:12-13, which describes the prophesied events that unfolded when the sixth seal was opened (including the 1833 Leonid Meteor Shower, the very “falling of the stars” you contend).
| Taken from - ANG SULO SA KATITIYAK SA IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA |
But let’s be clear: quoting Mr. Kavanagh here adds nothing of substance.His article merely questions Brother Felix Manalo’s application of an exact date (November 13, 1833) to the fulfillment of that prophecy. It does not, in any way, connect the event to the emergence of the true Church in the Philippines, an emergence that plainly took place with the opening of the seventh seal, marked by the prophesied occurrence that led to the First World War in 1914. To put it bluntly, you were barking up the wrong tree. This reference you relied on never supported your collapsing tower of misrepresentation regarding the INC’s doctrine.
| Taken from the Iglesia Ni Cristo by Joseph Kavanagh where he quoted the Article from "Ang SULO" |
“𝙈𝙮 𝙦𝙪𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙩𝙤 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙂𝙞𝙣𝙤𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙋𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙨, 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙄𝙉𝘾 𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙡𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙣𝙤𝙩? 𝙄 𝙪𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙫𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙤𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙞𝙢𝙚, 𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙚𝙡𝙡 𝙢𝙚 𝙞𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙠𝙣𝙤𝙬𝙡𝙚𝙙𝙜𝙚 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙤𝙧 𝙢𝙖𝙮𝙗𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙖 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙤𝙣𝙖𝙡 𝙤𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝘽𝙧𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙁𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙭 𝙈𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙡𝙤. 𝘼𝙣𝙙 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙘𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙧, 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙄 𝙨𝙖𝙮 𝙤𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙄 𝙙𝙤 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙛𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙡𝙞𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙞𝙩, 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖 𝙙𝙞𝙧𝙚𝙘𝙩 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚. 𝘼𝙣𝙙 𝙤𝙛 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙨𝙚 𝙞𝙛 𝘽𝙧𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙁𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙭 𝙈𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙡𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙨 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙬𝙣 𝙤𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙝𝙪𝙢𝙖𝙣, 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙪𝙗𝙟𝙚𝙘𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙘𝙖𝙨𝙚 𝙨𝙩𝙪𝙙𝙮, 𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙚 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙙𝙤𝙚𝙨, 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙖𝙡𝙨𝙤 𝙨𝙪𝙗𝙟𝙚𝙘𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙘𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙜𝙚𝙨. 𝙎𝙤, 𝙄 𝙪𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙞𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙩𝙖𝙠𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚, 𝙂𝙞𝙣𝙤𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙋𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙨, 𝙄'𝙢 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖 𝙘𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙙 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙤𝙣. 𝙄 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙪𝙞𝙡𝙙 𝙖 𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙢𝙤𝙣 𝙜𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙛𝙞𝙧𝙨𝙩 𝙗𝙚𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙚 𝙩𝙖𝙠𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙙𝙚𝙚𝙥𝙚𝙧.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: Are you me whether Brother Felix Manalo’s book “Ang Sulo” is still part of the teachings of the Iglesia Ni Cristo? Well, that book is centered on correcting the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church and on Brother Felix Manalo’s biblical commentary regarding certain criticisms Catholicism has directed at the INC. Thus, it serves as a REFERENCE AID for us in discussions with Catholic defenders. But let me be clear: the totality of INC doctrine is not confined to Catholicism. It encompasses the vast world of theology and the teachings of the Bible that show the way to salvation.
So yes, Bro. FYM’s “Ang Sulo” is part of INC teaching, but only in the context of engaging with Catholicism.
And since you are a Mormon, Jerry, do not presume that you are also a recipient of the points addressed in that book.You are right that everyone has their own opinions, but Brother Felix Manalo was not sent by God to teach mere opinion. He did not base his teachings on personal views, but on the truths revealed in the Holy Scriptures.
I appreciate that you recognize yourself as not close‑minded, but I hope you use that quality to avoid misrepresenting our doctrines.
“𝘼𝙜𝙖𝙞𝙣, 𝙄’𝙢 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙦𝙪𝙤𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙤𝙛𝙛𝙞𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙡 𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙚, 𝙨𝙤 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙦𝙪𝙤𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙤𝙣 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙨𝙤-𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙙 𝙙𝙚𝙛𝙚𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙛𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙢𝙖𝙮𝙗𝙚, 𝙤𝙧 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙢𝙖𝙮 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙡𝙪𝙙𝙚 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙨𝙚𝙡𝙛 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙩, 𝙗𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙙𝙤𝙚𝙨𝙣’𝙩 𝙨𝙖𝙮 𝙖𝙣𝙮𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙥𝙝𝙚𝙘𝙮 𝙬𝙖𝙨𝙣’𝙩 𝙛𝙪𝙡𝙛𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙙. 𝙎𝙤, 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙞𝙨𝙨𝙪𝙚 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙤 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙝𝙤𝙬 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙦𝙪𝙤𝙩𝙚𝙙, 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙗𝙖𝙨𝙚𝙙 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙨𝙚𝙡𝙛 𝙤𝙣 𝙘𝙚𝙧𝙩𝙖𝙞𝙣 𝙜𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙙𝙤𝙚𝙨𝙣’𝙩 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙥𝙤𝙞𝙣𝙩 𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙡 𝙞𝙨𝙨𝙪𝙚. 𝘼𝙜𝙖𝙞𝙣, 𝙞𝙩’𝙨 𝙩𝙧𝙪𝙚, 𝙄 𝙬𝙖𝙨𝙣'𝙩 𝙘𝙚𝙧𝙩𝙖𝙞𝙣 𝙗𝙪𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙩’𝙨 𝙩𝙧𝙮 𝙩𝙤 𝙜𝙚𝙩 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙘𝙚 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙩.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: Let me emphasize your sublime utterance: “it’s true, I wasn’t certain.”So how can your rebuttal carry any weight when there are obvious UNCERTAINTIES in your points, especially in trying to support your claim that the involvement of the 1833 Leonid Meteor Storm is supposedly an “INC doctrine” tied to the emergence of the Church in the Philippines? On that basis alone, your argument is already shaky.
Furthermore, your hasty generalizations and anecdotal fallacies do not constitute valid points to justify your misrepresentation of the true teachings of the INC regarding the emergence of the true Church of Christ. Honestly, you had ample time to conduct proper research and confirm your claims before posting your so-called FUN FACT, yet only now are you scrambling to find sources to back up your distorted view of our doctrines and teachings.
“𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙙𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖𝙣 𝘼𝙛𝙧𝙞𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙋𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝙂𝙪𝙞𝙙𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙤𝙥𝙞𝙘 𝙤𝙣 𝙁𝙖𝙘𝙚𝙗𝙤𝙤𝙠 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙅𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙝𝙤𝙣𝙚𝙨𝙩, 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙥𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙘𝙤𝙤𝙡. 𝙄 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙜𝙪𝙞𝙙𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙤𝙣 𝙁𝙖𝙘𝙚𝙗𝙤𝙤𝙠. 𝘽𝙪𝙩 𝙄 𝙙𝙤𝙣’𝙩 𝙠𝙣𝙤𝙬 𝙞𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙖𝙨 𝙤𝙛𝙛𝙞𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙡 𝙋𝙖𝙜𝙚 𝙤𝙧 𝙢𝙖𝙮𝙗𝙚 𝙣𝙤𝙩. 𝘼𝙣𝙮𝙬𝙖𝙮𝙨, 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙨𝙚 𝙬𝙝𝙤 𝙬𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙠𝙣𝙤𝙬 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙣 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙄𝙉𝘾 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙄 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙛𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙤𝙣 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙡𝙞𝙨𝙩, 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙗𝙚 𝙜𝙤𝙤𝙙 𝙞𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙠𝙚𝙚𝙥 𝙪𝙥𝙙𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙞𝙩 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: Oh, come on… it is nothing new to me that Facebook groups or pages exist which feature certain teachings professed by the INC.Many of these are drawn from official INC sources such as the Pasugo magazine, while others are modified articles from original authors to avoid copyright issues.
Well, I will admit that some of the articles of faith found on these unofficial INC sites (like the ones you have shown) can still be instructive. However, it is far better NOT to misinterpret or misrepresent the doctrines of the INC that you encounter on these pages, especially when there is NO indication that they are drawn from our official teachings on a given topic.
You see, even if you were to message those pages one by one, you would receive the same answer: THEY ARE NOT official sources of INC doctrine. Instead, they would refer you to incmedia.org, pasugo.com.ph, or iglesianicristo.net. Unless, of course, the page is run by a rebellious former member, in which case the INC‑oriented content might easily mislead you into believing things that are not truly taught by the Iglesia ni Cristo.
Therefore, it is no longer our fault if you fail to exercise caution in choosing your sources when the subject at hand is the official doctrines or teachings of the INC.
“𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙘𝙚𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙦𝙪𝙤𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙖𝙢𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙘𝙚 𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙞𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙙𝙨 𝙩𝙤 𝘽𝙧𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙁𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙭 𝙈𝙖𝙣𝙖𝙡𝙤'𝙨 𝘾𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙜. 𝘽𝙪𝙩 𝙄 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙥𝙪𝙩 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙘𝙚𝙨 𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙩𝙖𝙠𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙤 𝙢𝙪𝙘𝙝 𝙨𝙥𝙖𝙘𝙚 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙫𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙘𝙡𝙖𝙞𝙢.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: In fact, there were plenty of such articles. But take note: NONE OF THEM ever suggest that the “falling of the stars” prophesied in Revelation 6:12-13 (fulfilled in the 1833 Leonid Meteor Shower) is connected to the supposed signs of the Church’s emergence in the Philippines. Keep that firmly in mind, my friend, because I will not repeat it again.
“𝙍𝙚𝙘𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙡𝙮 𝙄 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙖 𝙛𝙪𝙣 𝙛𝙖𝙘𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙅𝙤𝙨𝙚𝙥𝙝 𝙎𝙢𝙞𝙩𝙝'𝙨 𝙎𝙪𝙥𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙚𝙙 𝙍𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙝𝙖𝙨 𝙗𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙛𝙪𝙡𝙛𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙙 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙈𝙚𝙩𝙚𝙤𝙧 𝙎𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙄 𝙢𝙖𝙙𝙚 𝙖 𝙘𝙡𝙖𝙞𝙢 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙖𝙡𝙨𝙤 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙡𝙪𝙙𝙚𝙙 𝙞𝙣 𝙄𝙉𝘾'𝙨 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚, 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙄 𝙝𝙤𝙣𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙡𝙮 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙩𝙚𝙡𝙡 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨𝙣’𝙩 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙢𝙚𝙧𝙜𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙘𝙝𝙪𝙧𝙘𝙝 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙋𝙝𝙞𝙡𝙞𝙥𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙚𝙨.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: It is true that the Iglesia Ni Cristo teaches that the 1833 Leonid Meteor Shower fulfilled the prophesied “falling of the stars” in Revelation 6:12-13. However, the INC has NEVER taught that this event was one of the SIGNS (as Jerry phrased it) of the Church’s emergence in the Philippines. In fact, it was Jerry himself who asserted in his post that the meteor shower was a sign of the Church’s rise, a claim never taught by the INC.
You can revisit the link (below) to his Facebook post in the group to verify this for yourself.
“𝙂𝙤𝙤𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙠𝙣𝙤𝙬 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙧𝙚𝙨𝙥𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙛𝙪𝙣 𝙛𝙖𝙘𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙄 𝙙𝙤𝙣’𝙩 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙠 𝙞𝙩’𝙨 𝙖 𝙗𝙞𝙜 𝙙𝙚𝙖𝙡, 𝙗𝙪𝙩 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙛𝙖𝙞𝙡 𝙩𝙤 𝙢𝙖𝙠𝙚 𝙖 𝙜𝙤𝙤𝙙 𝙧𝙚𝙨𝙥𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙚 𝙤𝙣 𝙢𝙮 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙝𝙤𝙧𝙩 𝙊𝙋.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: Oh, really?So sharing a supposed FACT isn’t a big deal to you? Come on… not only did you present it as factual, you even went as far as to claim that it is “one of the doctrines or teachings of INC” supposedly connected to the fulfillment of Brother Felix Manalo’s and the Church’s emergence in the Philippines, when in reality, YOU’RE NOT EVEN CERTAIN how such a claim could be considered an official doctrine, or whether it has ever been taught that way at all.
That, precisely, is why I chose to bring this to public attention on my timeline (for proper awareness and scrutiny) before your post ends up MISLEADING others in your group through a clear misrepresentation of our teachings.
“𝙇𝙚𝙩’𝙨 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙨𝙖𝙮 𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙄𝙉𝘾 𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙧𝙚𝙨𝙩 𝙬𝙚 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙪𝙣𝙣𝙚𝙘𝙚𝙨𝙨𝙖𝙧𝙮 𝙛𝙪𝙨𝙨. 𝙎𝙤 𝙬𝙝𝙮 𝙙𝙤 𝙄𝙉𝘾 𝙦𝙪𝙤𝙩𝙚 𝙞𝙩? 𝘼𝙣𝙙 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖𝙗𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙞𝙩 𝙢𝙚𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙞𝙣 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙙𝙤𝙘𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙚, 𝙙𝙤𝙚𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙢𝙚𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙥𝙝𝙚𝙘𝙮 𝙬𝙖𝙨𝙣’𝙩 𝙛𝙪𝙡𝙛𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙙? 𝙅𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙛𝙖𝙞𝙧, 𝙄 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚𝙣’𝙩 𝙢𝙖𝙙𝙚 𝙢𝙮 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙘𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙧 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙘𝙞𝙨𝙚 𝙞𝙣 𝙦𝙪𝙤𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙄𝙉𝘾 𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙤𝙡𝙤𝙜𝙮 𝙤𝙧 𝙞𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙨 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚, 𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙄’𝙢 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙦𝙪𝙤𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙠𝙣𝙤𝙬𝙣 𝙨𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙘𝙚 𝙨𝙪𝙘𝙝 𝙖𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙤𝙛𝙛𝙞𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙡 𝙬𝙚𝙗𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙚, 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙨𝙪𝙥𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙚𝙙 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙖𝙣 𝙄𝙉𝘾 𝙤𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣.”
𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐄: So why does INC cite Revelation 6:12-13? Well, it is to establish TWO POINTS. First, that the 1833 Leonid Meteor Shower is recognized as one of the three historical events associated with the “falling of the stars.” Second, that this “falling of the stars” occurs within the OPENING OF THE SIXTH SEAL, not within the period of the re-emergence of the true Church in the Philippines. That re-emergence, when Brother Felix Manalo began his mission as the Messenger of God, is understood to take place during the opening of the seventh seal, not the sixth.
I believe I already made this clear in the article I posted. Anyway… you yourself admitted that your post was NOT clearly presented. That being the case, how could you label it as a FUN FACT when the content itself lacks clarity?And then, when someone points this out and offers a correction, you react as though you are being antagonized!? Tsk tsk tsk… Hahahah.
ANSWERING JERRY BUSTILLO’S FLAWED REBUTTALIt’s been over a week now since I last logged into Facebook, and I sincerely apologize to anyone (especially, Jerry) who may have been waiting for my response. My schedule has been quite demanding lately, making it difficult for me to stay active on social media. Thank you for your understanding.
Anyway, for a quick recap, it all began when Jerry Nuñez Bustillo, a self-styled Mormon apologist, posted what he called a “FUN FACT” in a Facebook group named The Restored Truths. In his post, he tagged nearly every member of the group and claimed that one of the doctrines of the INC allegedly teaches that the 1833 Leonid Meteor Shower was a divine sign heralding the emergence of the Church in the Philippines under Bro. FYM’s leadership.
@everyone Fun Fact that might interest you. One of the doctrines or teachings of INC that has been taught as one of the fulfillments of Bro Felix Manalo was the signs of how the church in the Philippines emerges. One of those signs is the 1833 Meteor Shower, or as they call it, the 1833 Leonid Meteor Storm, referencing it in Revelation 6:12-13, if I'm not mistaken. But here's the interesting part. Joseph Smith predicted the exact date when it would appear. I haven't made an article on this one yet, and I'm still working on my blog, but here's one from the Joseph Smith Foundation on that article. You can also search an independent site relating to this topic and find out how it happened. Thanks everyone, and Good night.
Although his post hardly merits serious attention (despite his claim that it “might interest” readers) I still found it troubling. The way he framed it suggests a blatant misrepresentation of what the Iglesia Ni Cristo actually teaches. That was enough reason for me to respond publicly with a post on my own timeline.
Well, I suggest visiting his post and mine for a fair evaluation before going all through the content of this post.
Now, after realizing that I had called him out and corrected his misunderstanding of one of the alleged doctrines of the Iglesia Ni Cristo, Jerry went on to write a rebuttal on his blog, which, from the looks of it, might even be owned by his family. Here is the entirety of his attempt to refute my critique.
Some portions of his rebuttal on that blog are already addressed in the screenshots provided below. However, the rest (particularly the more attention-grabbing and pressing points) will be dealt with here. I will tackle them one by one.
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TRANSLATIONS BY JOSEPH SMITH, JR.“ I insert facsimiles of the six brass plates found near Kinderhook... I have translated a portion of them, and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, and that he received his Kingdom from the ruler of heaven and earth.” – Joseph Smith, Jr.The plates turned out to be a hoax. Metallurgical tests revealed the plates to be of late 19th century construction. In addition, the script was created using a 19th- century chemical etch process. In August, 1981 LDS Ensign Magazine conceded: “Kinderhook plates bought to Joseph Smith appear to be a 19th-century hoax."
2 Nephi 2:25"Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy"
According to the teaching of LDS church Adam is Michael the Archangel.
Doctrine and Covenants 27:11
11 And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days;
This is an absurd teaching of LDS church.
This is another proof that their prophet was indeed a false prophet.
1 John 4:1
King James Version
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
THEIR ‘FUN FACT’ IS NEITHER FACTUAL NOR FUNA certain individual, Jerry Nuñez Bustillo, a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (commonly known as Mormonism), recently shared what he labeled as a “fun fact” in a Facebook group titled The Restored Truths of the 𝗚𝗼𝘀𝗽𝗲𝗹 of 𝑱𝒆𝒔𝒖𝒔 Christ vs INC Gospel, a space where defenders of faiths such as the Iɢʟᴇsɪᴀ Nɪ Cʀɪsᴛᴏ and Mormonism engage in discussion.
The Restored Truths of the 𝗚𝗼𝘀𝗽𝗲𝗹 of 𝑱𝒆𝒔𝒖𝒔 Christ vs INC Gospel
In his post, he appears to suggest that the Leonid Meteor Storm of November 13, 1833 was one of the alleged fulfillments connected to the divine calling of Brother Felix Y. Manalo, and further implies that this is part of the Iglesia ni Cristo’s doctrine.
Frankly, THAT CLAIM IS INACCURATE. 👎 Before presenting such assertions (especially about another religion) it would have been prudent to verify them through official INC sources such as incmedia.org, iglesianicristo.net, pasugo.com.ph, etc. Doing so could have prevented a clear misrepresentation of what the Church actually taught.
CLARIFICATION OF THE ISSUEIt is true that the Iglesia ni Cristo cites Revelation 6:12–13 in connection with historical events such as the 1833 Leonid meteor storm. However, let us be precise:𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗜𝗡𝗖 𝗱𝗼𝗲𝘀 𝗡𝗢𝗧 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘀𝗶𝗴𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝗕𝗿𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗙𝗲𝗹𝗶𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗼’𝘀 𝗱𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻.
That interpretation simply does not exist in official INC doctrine. Rather, the 1833 meteor storm is understood as one of the events associated with the OPENING OF THE SIXTH SEAL, alongside other historically documented phenomena:
I. The Lisbon earthquake (1755)II. The darkening of the sun and moon (1780)III. The falling of the stars (1833)
As stated and carefully explained by the Iglesia ni Cristo’s General Evangelist, Brother Bienvenido C. Santiago:“𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗶𝘅𝘁𝗵 𝘀𝗲𝗮𝗹 𝗶𝘀 𝗳𝗼𝗹𝗹𝗼𝘄𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗮 𝗴𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁 𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗵𝗾𝘂𝗮𝗸𝗲, 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗮𝗿𝗸𝗲𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝘂𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗼𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗿𝘀 (𝙘𝙛. 𝗥𝗲𝘃. 𝟲:𝟭𝟮-𝟭𝟯). Those events occurred in the 18th and 19th centuries. The great earthquake occurred in Lisbon in 1755, the darkening of the sun and the moon in 1780 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗿𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝟭𝟴𝟯𝟯.” [𝘗𝘈𝘚𝘜𝘎𝘖: 𝘎𝘰𝘥’𝘴 𝘔𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘢𝘨𝘦 — Iglesia Ni Cristo © November 1995, page 8]
This timeline alone already disproves Jerry’s claim. Why so? Because Bro. Felix Manalo was born in 1886, decades after these events. Clearly, they cannot mark the beginning of his mission.
SO, WHEN DOES THE MISSION BEGIN?According to the same official source, the transition occurs at the END OF THE SIXTH SEAL, which also marks the BEGINNING OF THE SEVENTH SEAL. Brother Santiago continues:
“𝗔𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗲𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗶𝘅𝘁𝗵 𝘀𝗲𝗮𝗹, 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗵 𝗮𝗹𝘀𝗼 𝘀𝗶𝗴𝗻𝗮𝗹𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗵 𝘀𝗲𝗮𝗹, 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘀 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗵 𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗱𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗿𝗼𝗰𝗸𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗶𝗻𝘀 (𝙘𝙛. 𝗥𝗲𝘃. 𝟲:𝟭𝟰-𝟭𝟳). 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗚𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁 𝗪𝗮𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗯𝗿𝗼𝗸𝗲 𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝗻 𝟭𝟵𝟭𝟰. This war is also symbolized in the prophecy as the winds that were later seen being held by the four angels (𝘤𝘧. Rev. 7:1; Jer. 4:11-12, 19). 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗲𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗶𝘅𝘁𝗵 𝘀𝗲𝗮𝗹 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗵 𝗶𝘀 𝗮𝗹𝘀𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗵 𝘀𝗲𝗮𝗹 𝗶𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗶𝘀 𝗮𝗹𝘀𝗼 𝗿𝗲𝗳𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗶𝗻 𝗕𝗶𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗽𝗵𝗲𝗰𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 ‘𝗲𝗻𝗱𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗵.’” [𝘐𝘣𝘪𝘥., page 8]
Thus, the First World War (1914), AND NOT the 1833 meteor storm, is recognized as the prophetic marker tied to the time when Brother Felix Manalo’s mission begins, within INC’s teaching.
The so-called “fun fact” is neither accurate nor representative of Iglesia ni Cristo doctrine. Misrepresenting another group’s beliefs (whether intentional or not) only leads to confusion and unnecessary division. If we are genuinely interested in truth, then careful verification should always come first before publication.
| Just because I use the word Fun, then this made this statement a parody, or maybe malicious or perhaps exaggerated. But it seems like he's missing the point that my intension was all about the revelations that has been fulfilled. |
Okay so again, This has nothing to do with the statement that I had made, and you simply like to broaden it thinking that I may have been wrong on my claim. And again, this is not about the beginning of Brother Felix Manalo’s claim that he fulfilled such revelation and starts the mark of his mission which again, I don’t even care. I just clearly said, it is one of those signs.
Let us aim for discussions grounded not in assumptions, but in verified teachings. 😉
NOW, CONCERNING JOSEPH SMITH’S “PREDICTION”Jerry, in what he called the “interesting part,” added that their prophet, Joseph Smith, allegedly predicted the exact date of the meteor storm. He even encouraged readers to look it up from independent sources. 😅 So, as someone who actually checks claims, I did exactly that.
Yes, there is such a story. But once you examine it closely, it turns out to be historically weak, debated even among Latter-day Saint scholars, and generally not accepted by non-LDS historians.
One commonly cited account comes from later retellings. According to a narrative attributed to Ronald P. Millett, Joseph Smith supposedly said:
“According to a narrative provided by Ronald P. Millett via Latter Day Saints Magazine, at some point before November 1833, when the Leonid meteor storm took place, 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁'𝘀 𝗳𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝗝𝗼𝘀𝗲𝗽𝗵 𝗦𝗺𝗶𝘁𝗵 (𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘃𝗲) 𝘀𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝘀𝗲𝗱𝗹𝘆 𝘂𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗱 𝗮 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗽𝗵𝗲𝗰𝘆 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝘁. “𝗙𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘆 𝗱𝗮𝘆𝘀 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗽𝗮𝘀𝘀, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗿𝘀 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗳𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻,” 𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗴𝗲𝗱𝗹𝘆 𝘀𝗮𝗶𝗱 𝗱𝘂𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮 𝘀𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗼𝗻.”
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The story continues that on the 39th night, while staying at someone’s house, the meteor storm occurred, astonishing those present. This account is tied to early LDS figures like Philo Dibble, who described the reaction of a supposed skeptic witnessing the event. Now, at first glance, that sounds impressive.
But here’s the problem.The so-called “prediction” is not a contemporary record. 👎 The main source for this claim (Philo Dibble) only wrote it down in 1892, which is decades after both the 1833 event and Joseph Smith’s lifetime. That alone should already raise serious caution.(Check Philo Dibble’s “Recollections of the Prophet Joseph Smith,” 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘑𝘶𝘷𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘭𝘦 𝘐𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘳 XXVII No. 1 © 1 January 1892, page 23)
REALTALK ❗ There is no known written record from 1833 itself. NO diary entry from Joseph Smith predicting it beforehand. NO documented sermon from that time mentioning such a prophecy. NO contemporary witness account recorded at the time it supposedly happened. 👎 What we have instead is retrospective storytelling, accounts written long after the fact, which historians naturally treat with caution.
But, yeah… to make matters clearer: Joseph Smith DID write about the meteor shower, BUT only after it occurred, describing it as a sign. That is very different from predicting it in advance.And that distinction matters a lot in serious historical analysis.
SO WHAT IS THE FAIR CONCLUSION?There IS a story claiming that Joseph Smith predicted the meteor shower. BUT (this is the real interesting part)… it comes from late sources. It relies on secondhand or recollected testimony. And, it lacks solid contemporary evidence.
Because of that, most historians (whether LDS or not) consider the claim historically uncertain at best. So, presenting it as a clear, established fulfilled prophecy is, at very least, an overstatement.
At the end of the day, if we’re going to talk about FACTS, then they should actually be grounded in reliable historical evidence, not just stories repeated long after the event.