
This will be one of the responses for our critics at
www.blueletterbible.org regarding their poor claim about the church and how they simply missed biblical context while just distributing criticism without knowing what the scripture says about it. So let's go ahead and dive in.
Mormon at Your Door - A Quick Reference Guide
The Bible
They Say: The Bible has been corrupted by errors of translation and transmission, as well as by deliberate action. (WMT; CJS; 1 Nephi 13:26-29, BOM)
God Says: The words of God and Jesus cannot wither, fade, fall or pass away; this the Bible, the Word of God, cannot be corrupted. (Isaiah 40:8; Matthew 24:35; Luke 21:33; 1 Peter 1:23-25)
This seems to be poor in using scripture, referencing the word as a bible rather than the fulfillment of it, and not a literal physical bible that has been compiled. Remember, quoting those verses doesn't mean a lot as the Bible in general, since the Bible wasn't even compiled during those times, and they referred to the fulfillment of his words written in the scriptures. Latter-day Saints never contradict that, and in fact, the Book of Mormon bears witness to the writings of the scripture; the Book of Mormon itself testifies to the words of God fulfilled in the Bible we have now. So this one doesn't make sense. But yes, if you ask me, the scripture has some missing parts or has been evolving over time by scribes who wrote it using their own knowledge. Will, perhaps that's your problem. But for Latter-day Saints, we are aware that there were revelations untold, and some other writings lost or not written in the bible will soon be revealed. Was it even a question? Why would we choose to limit God's voice if he can still talk in our days?
The Church
They Say: The true Church was lost and needed restoring. (WMT; WCR; CJC; FAR)
God Says: The true Church is unshakable, indestructible, bringing glory to Christ in all ages. (Isaiah 51:6-8; Matthew 28:20; Acts 2:21; 5:38-39; Ephesians 3:20-21; Hebrews 10:23; 12:28)
So, seriously? How many of the Protestant, other Restorationist, Evangelist, Baptist, and so on still say we don't need to establish the truth or a church, for God didn't take it away or the truth was never lost, and yet there you are doing unauthorized ministries and preaching, teaching, and ministering to the people without even a call received from God? Why was that? Why do we still choose to believe such an uninspired study that doesn't even follow the structures, patterns, or biblical standards on how God calls His servant? And to clear out the unshakable, indestructible true Church. In the scripture, it was not about a church membership or a church organization built by the community in the first Christian era, but rather an authority like that Christ gave to Peter and the rest of the apostles. This authority from heaven is unshakable and cannot be taken away from anyone who has it, as Christ said.
The Secret Appearance
They Say: Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father appeared in secret to Joseph Smith in the woods. (CJC; FAR; JS 2:17 PGP)
God Says: Since His coming would be obvious to all, Jesus warned us not to believe those who claimed to see Him in secret. (Zechariah 14:4; Matthew 24:23-27; Luke 17:23-24; 21:8; Mark 13:21-22; Rev.1:7)
This is an absolutely and obviously misunderstood statement from the Story of Joseph Smith using the scriptures about secrecy while missing the important detail of how God calls Moses and some others, and oh yeah, in secret. Why would you try to adopt that kind of ideology? First of all, Joseph didn't claim he was the Christ, or Christ had already appeared, as if it were the second coming. Would that Stephen's vision of Christ be a second coming to you, or that of Paul, who talks to Christ on the road? See how absurd this is without understanding how he would call his servants in preparation for his coming. The scriptural references were simply a misguidance to those who seem to seek criticisms of the church. And see how poorly this has been constructed.
The Nature of God
They Say: God, our Heavenly Father, is an exalted man of flesh and bone. (CJS; D&C 130:22)
God Says: God is a Spirit, able to dwell in men. (Matthew 16:17; John 4:24; 14:23; Luke 24:39)
First of all, we believe that spirit is matter; we don't believe in immaterial matter. And to help you out, God is omnipotent, omniscient, and so on. So we don't limit his capability to do things as he pleases. We also believe that we are created in his image literally, and that image is what we are now, and as I have said somewhere in this blog, I don't believe God was just a floating transparent plastic. I already explained that "God is Spirit" in this blog somewhere in my former post, so again, if you take it literally, then consider the rest of the passage literal, and ask this question: "How do you worship God in Spirit?" The only problem for you and for some readers who accepted your ideology was that you limited your understanding of the nature of God.
The Nature Between the Father and the Son
They Say: Our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ the Son are two distinct physical beings. (CJS)
God Says: The Father and the Son are distinct Persons, and yet are one God. (Isaiah 9:6; John 5:17-18; 14:9-11)
I don't know if this was all about the Trinity thing. But yes, according to the scripture, Christ and the Father are two separate beings. Why would you dispute that? Christ prayed to the Father, thanked the Father for allowing him to raise Lazarus from the dead, and even asked the Father to take away the bitter cup that he had experienced before Christ's Crucifixion. And they both were the same God, so no question about it. Was it even needed to be disputed while the scripture already said about them as separate personages?
The Holy Spirit
They Say: The Holy Ghost is a third, distinct, spirit being; different also in function and identity from the Holy Spirit: (CJS)
God Says: The Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit are two names for the same Being (the same Greek word, pneuma, is translated both ways), who is also one of the three Persons of the one God (Isaiah 6:9-10 [compare with Acts 28:25-26]; Isaiah 48:14-17; Luke 1:35; Acts 5:3-4; Hebrews 10:15-17)
Again, you misunderstood the biblical statement. God the Father, Christ, and the Holy Ghost were three distinct beings or separate individuals. We don't question that. The only thing that you missed out on was that we don't believe in the Trinity; we only believe in the Godhead, and these beings were members of it. You simply misalign yourself with biblical teachings about the nature of God. The Holy Ghost, as Christ said,
¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. - Matthew 12:31-32
Christ didn't use the word blasphemy against the Father; it shall not be forgiven. Rather, he uses the Holy Ghost, which seems weird to Christ's usual proclamation, while at the end of this chapter, he uses to mentions the will of my Father. So why was that? Does this sound like the same three Persons of the one God to you? I don't think so. You simply choose whatever verses you like, just to make your stand, but didn't even consider how it would challenge your understanding of the nature of God.
The Nature of Christ
They Say: Jesus is the literal son of God, conceived as we were, but of an immortal Father. (WMT)
God Says: Jesus, Himself uncreated, created all things physical and spiritual before creating man upon the earth. (Isaiah 45:12; John 1:1-2, 10; 17:5; Hebrews 1:12; 13:8)
Christ's nature as the Son of God doesn't contradict that Christ created all things and his existence. But if you try to examine and question the doctrine of Latter-day Saints, try to look back on the following verses that you quoted, which prove Christ's divinity as the Son of God. An example of that is in Hebrews 1:8, where you quoted just verse 12, and so on. You just don't have any ground to stand on God's nature and how Christ, as the Son, became Son literally. We don't have any doctrine of God conceiving a god, but of course, that doesn't prove Christ's existence as a Son was just merely an address. There should be a divine reason for it, and your biblical reference doesn't prove it.
Jesus and Lucifer
They Say: Jesus is mankind's elder brother, firstborn spirit child of our Heavenly Father, and by inference, spirit-brother to Lucifer and his demons. (WMT; POL)
God Says: God does not change, and has never been anything other than He is now He specifically has never been a man. (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9; Romans 1:21-23)
Yes, we do believe that we all are sons and daughters of God, and of course, Lucifer, before his rebellion, was once a spirit child of God. So, do you question your Bible about how Lucifer was once the Son of the Morning? How could your Bible create a story about Lucifer's plan in exalting his throne like the Father? Would that be something that needs to be revealed to us? How did it all go wrong? You should find out.
Salvation
They Say: One's personal salvation and exaltation is conditioned upon his works and obedience to the teachings of the Mormon church, with the highest exaltation going to those who are most faithful. (WMT; POL; ABW)
God Says: Only those who trust in Christ will gain entrance into any heaven, based on that trust. "Almost" doesn't count! All others will be cast into the lake of fire as a result of trusting in their own good works. (John 14:6; Galatians 2:16, 21; 3:8, 21, 24; Revelation 20:4-6, 10-15; 21:18)
And that's a very poor argument. Latter-day Saints, don't just trust in Christ; we preach in Christ, we talk in Christ, and do what Christ did and apply his teachings in our lives. Don't you think the standards we have now won't save us than your understanding of Faith and Work? As the Scripture tells us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, so we do everything that Christ wants us to do, and not just lip-service belief that we just wait and watch TV with popcorn. Also, we do believe God is just. Even those people who never knew anything about God but did good things in their lives could have a chance to be with God in heaven, and will not just be in the literal Lake of Fire, as the doctrine you were taught in your Bible suggests. Again, God is just and will always love his children. Sorry, as I have said earlier, that argument is too poor.
Below were some of the Chosen references you used to gather all your criticisms. I don't actually have a whole day.
- "They Say" references are quoted from official LDS Publications
- WMT: What the Mormons Think of Christ, pamphlet published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (henceforth called the LDS church), July 1976.
- CJS: Contributions of Joseph Smith, pamphlet written by Stephen L. Richard's (an LDS official), printed by Deseret Press (an official LDS printing company), May 1973. Back side of cover.
- BOM: Book of Mormon. one of the works considered to be scripture by the LDS church, translated by Joseph Smith Printed by the LDS church, 1977 edition. Numbering by book, chapter and verse.
- WCR: Which Church is Right?, pamphlet published by the LDS church, originally in 1974; we used the April 1976 reprint.
- CJC: The Church as Organized by Christ, pamphlet published by the LDS church, April 1976.
- FAR: The Falling Away and Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ Foretold, pamphlet published by the LDS church, November 1975.
- JS: Joseph Smith.
- PGP: The Pearl of Great Price: A Selection from the Revelations, Translations, and Narrations of Joseph Smith, First Prophet, Seer and Revelator to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
- D&C: The Doctrine and Covenants of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Containing Revelations Given to Joseph Smith, the Prophet, with Some Additions by his Successors in the Presidency of the Church.
- POL: The Purpose of Life, pamphlet published by the LDS church, May 1975.
- ABW: After Baptism, What?, pamphlet published by the LDS church. April, 1970.
Please don't engage Mormons in verbal battle. Pray first, be led by the Holy Spirit, then share the scriptures verse by verse.
Now look at that? How scared are you to get engaged to the truth? Why wouldn't you allow the people to know and understand the truth rather than brainwashing them with your ways?
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect. 1 Peter 3:15
Good to know that, so stop doing that poor study and criticism without even understanding the context of the scripture and how God wants to fulfill his words. You don't have the right to silence God's revelation in this modern world that badly needs divine guidance. Your way of ministering to your people was just too shallow, and God reveals "his secrets to his servants the prophets" to understand His words. So don't limit God about it.
Defend Your Faith With The Word!
All Scripture Is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. 2 Timothy. 3:16
And to whatever that is, it's good to know you have the guts to defend your right to believe. The only thing missing is that you don't have anything to prove that you are right and have the truth.
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