1 Corinthians 15:20-23 - Pagkabuhay Muli issue ni Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

This is again, ulitin ko at na post ko na pero di parin naintindihan ng ating INC Neighborhood na si Jose Rodelio Retome Rata aka THE REBUKER.Kung magbasa kasi kayo ng Banal na kasulatan sinasabi ko ng paulit-ulit sayo Jose intindihin mo ang Contexto. Diyan palang sa talata na yan halatang wala kang alam sa pangyayari.

So here's the context Jose Rodelio Retome Rata, basa mabuti para magkaroon ka ng kaalaman. Gagamit ako ng ibang version na madali mong intindihin -

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 
21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
- 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 NIV

This version alone proves that this is Paul's Explaination of the Resurrection of Christ and the Future Resurrection of All human, not the recent Resurrection that occur with Christ and the Saints soon after his death. Di yan ang punto ni Pablo, tandaan mo mabuti na ang Mga taga Corinth na kahit naturuan na ni Pablo ng Ebanghelyo hindi sila naniniwala sa Ressurection. Kaya nga kung simulan mo sa pag basa dyan verse 1 Corinthians 15:12-19 makikita mo na mismo si Paul nag address sa issue ng kanilang paniniwala

1 Corinthians 15:12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

At kung ituloy mo pa hangang verse 29 na mismo sa kanilang ordinances na ginagawa ay magmistulang walang silbi lalo na sa pagbinyag sa mga patay kung mismo di sila naniniwala sa pagkabuhay muli ng mga Patay. Sa madaling salita useless ang ginagawa nila kung walang paniniwala o pananampalataya.

1 Corinthians 15:29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?

Simply lang pero di mo naintindihan. Ulitin natin ayon sa context: Ito ay ang teachings ni Paul sa mga taga Corinthians kung ano ba ang mangyari sa tao kung sila ay mabuhay muli sa hinaharap o sa panahon ng kanyang pagparito, hindi ito tungkol sa panahon noong nabuhay si Kristo na meron na nabuhay na mga saints na kasama nya.

AYAN SA PAGPARITO PA NI CRISTO BUBUHAYIN ANG MGA KABILANG SA KANYA KASAMA DIYAN ANG MGA APOSTOL KAYA IMPOSIBLENG NAGPAKITA ANG MGA APOSTOL SA PROPETA MONG SINUNGALING!

Sure ka bang sinungaling o may problema ka sa pangunawa? Comprehension din pag may time. Hindi yan address ni Paul about sa issue tungkol sa mga nabuhay na kundi sa hinaharap kung paano sila mabuhay mauli, kaso nga lang di mo naintindihan ang context. Nako naman Jose!



Jerry Nuñez Bustillo HALATADO ANG PAGKASINUNGALING NG PROPETA MO! 2 TIMOTEO 4:3-4

Halatado nga ba, o sadya lang talaga di mo iniintindi ang nakasulat sa banal na kasulatan? Palagay mo sino sinungaling sa atin? Talata gamit mo sa 2 Timothy 4:3-4 ay hindi naman tungkol sa issue. Para san ba yan, parang applicable yata sa ugali mo?

In conclusion: sa paulit-ulit kong pagbigay ng paliwanag hangang ngayon di mo parin tangap ang banal na kasulatan, pinapakita lang na panatiko ka sa sarili mong unawa at doktrina na ginawa lang ng Ministro nyo.

Let's Examine - by Job Bautista

This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. (2 Corinthians 13:1)

Wow! Job Bautista speaks up, at ngayon din naman nagbigay ng challenge na palagay ko hindi ito masagot-sagot ng mga Mormons, tama ba Job Bautista?

Kaya lang may problema. Paano kaya kung tingnan din natin mga nilalaman sa Bibliya kung meron kaya Ebidensya. Examin nyo nga Job Bautista kung may ebedinsya tayo nito -
  • Resurrected Christ with a body. Saan kaya napunta katawan nya? Sa langit kaya? Kung may ebidensya ka sige pakita mo - Acts 1:9-11
  • Enoch, Saan kaya siya pumunta ngayon? - Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5-6
  • Elijah taken to Heaven? Pano kaya to? Baka may naiwan pang mantle/cloak para pagbasihan natin. - 2 Kings 2:11-14
  • Garden of Eden: Saan kaya ito noong pinaalis ang una nating magulang? Maganda sana makita ito para matikman natin ang Tree of Life - Genesis 3
From Job Bautista's Comment in the Group

And here's the mindblowing witnesses of Joseph Smith and the Plates with their personal Stories. Note: di ko na kinuha lahat para hindi time consuming. So my Challenge to you, provide evidence to your so-called Sugo of the Philippines.

Three Witnesses -

The Three Witnesses Testimony
https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/knowhy/did-the-book-of-mormon-witnesses-really-see-what-they-claimed/

David Whitmer
“That I have never at any time denied that testimony or any part thereof, which has so long since been published with that Book, as one of the three witnesses.” ...
“I will say once more to all mankind, that I have never at any time denied that testimony or any part thereof. I also testify to the world, that neither Oliver Cowdery or Martin Harris ever at any time denied their testimony. They both died affirming the truth of the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon.”

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/new-era/2020/01/the-last-witness-of-the-three-witnesses

Martin Harris
“After they [David Whitmer, Joseph, and Oliver] had been visited by the angel the Prophet then came over to me where I was praying, and I asked the prophet to pray with me…after praying sometime the angel appeared with the golden plates and I saw with these two eyes the angel stand with the gold plates in his hands, and I saw him turn leaf by leaf the plates of gold, and I also heard the voice of the Lord saying that these words were true and translated correctly.”

https://witnessesofthebookofmormon.org/three-witnesses/martin-harris/statements/

Oliver Cowdery
It was a clear, open beautiful day, far from any inhabitants, in a remote field, at the time we saw the record, of which it has been spoken, brought and laid before us, by an angel, arrayed in glorious light, ascend out of the midst of heaven.

https://scripturecentral.org/evidence/book-of-mormon-evidence-oliver-cowdery


The Eight Witnesses -
Testimony of Eight Witnesses, Late June 1829
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-5-testimony-of-eight-witnesses-late-june-1829/1


Monument of the Witnesses.


Eight Witnesses Handling the Plates
http://deseret.com/2017/1/26/20604783/why-are-there-two-sets-of-official-book-of-mormon-witnesses/

For any further Questions, check out this article for you https://mormonr.org/qnas/0Eiiyt/book_of_mormon_witnesses

ITONG MGA TALATA ANG NAGPAPATUNAY - By Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;  and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. - Matthew 27:52-53 NKJV

Here's another worse interpretation from our friendly INC neighborhood, also known as THE REBUKER. So, was this really what the scripture meant, just another cherry-picked ideology from INC doctrine? Let's find out -

ITONG MGA TALATA ANG NAGPAPATUNAY NA KASINUNGALINGAN ANG ITINUTURO NG PROPETA NG MGA MORMON-LDS NA SI JOSEPH SMITH NA NAGPAKITA SA KANYA SI JUAN BAUTISTA AT ANG 3 APOSTOLES SAPAGKAT HINDI PA NAGAGANAP ANG MGA NAKAULAT DIYAN. SA PAGBABALIK PA NI JESUS SILA BUBUHAYING-MULI.

This was his concern, and the rest were just a copy-paste from his Bible collection without further explanations and contextual analysis of the data.

But the real concern was actually on the bullets below -
  • Were there people resurrected soon after Christ was resurrected?
  • If there are, then those people whom Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery saw were the resurrected beings, like John the Baptist?
Then it answers the scriptures that Christ was indeed the first fruit, since there are people who followed after them. The rest of the concerns regarding the first resurrection after the second coming were not actually the main issue. Now, back to THE REBUKER's concern, what does this have to do with the scripture that has been posted? Okay, so let's get to it quick -

1 Corinto 15:20-23
Ang Salita ng Dios (Tagalog Contemporary Bible)
20 Ngunit ang totoo, muling nabuhay si Cristo bilang katibayan na muling bubuhayin ang mga patay. 21 Dahil sa isang tao na si Adan, dumating ang kamatayan sa lahat ng tao. At dahil din sa isang tao na si Cristo, muling mabubuhay ang mga patay. 22 Sapagkat kung paanong tayong mga tao ay mamamatay dahil sa kaugnayan natin kay Adan, ganoon din naman, dahil sa ating kaugnayan kay Cristo, tayong lahat ay muling mabubuhay. 23 Ngunit may kanya-kanyang takdang panahon ang muling pagkabuhay. Unang nabuhay si Cristo; pagkatapos, ang mga nakay Cristo naman ang bubuhayin pagbalik niya rito sa mundo.

The Context: This brief part of the chapter of Paul's letter holds great significance, as it not only mentions the resurrection but also refers to Christ as the firstfruits, which signifies the assurance of the believers' resurrection. Like Adam's act resulted in death, Christ's act will result in the giving of life, and the believers will be raised in a sequence that starts with Christ and goes on to His followers at His second coming. The verse implies that the resurrection of Jesus is the promise of the entire human race being brought back to life in Him; thus, it serves as a secure support of the faith for Christians in the face of the resurrection-deniers. The people in Paul's time, like the saints in Corinth, did not believe in Resurrection, so he made it sure that in his letter, he might help them understand that Christ was the first and the rest will be resurrected in due time. This doesn't say anything about the part of the resurrection as who will and when, but pretty sure this has nothing to do with the subject that everyone will be resurrected and that there were already people resurrected soon after Christ resurrected. Now, again what was this all about, Jose Rodelio Retome Rata? Seems like you just simply quote it without knowing what this was all about.

1 Tesalonica 4:15-16
Ang Salita ng Dios (Tagalog Contemporary Bible)
15 Sinasabi namin sa inyo ang mismong turo ng Panginoon: Tayong mga buhay pa pagbalik ng Panginoon ay hindi mauuna sa mga namatay na. 16 Sa araw na iyon, ang Panginoon mismo ang bababa mula sa langit kasabay ng malakas na utos. Maririnig ang pagtawag ng punong anghel at ang pagtunog ng trumpeta ng Dios. Ang mga namatay na sumasampalataya kay Cristo ang unang bubuhayin;

The Context: The second coming of Jesus is portrayed in such a way that the living believers at the time of His return will not go before or "precede" the dead ones; rather, the Lord will come down with a loud voice, an archangel's voice, and the trumpet of God, the deceased believers will be the first to raise from death, and then the living believers will be taken up to meet Him, as explained in verse 17 and the following verses. So again, this brief explanation doesn't simply mean that those people or saints who rose soon after Christ's resurrection have never been resurrected.

Pahayag 20:4-6
Ang Salita ng Dios (Tagalog Contemporary Bible)
4 Pagkatapos, may nakita akong mga trono, at ang mga nakaupo roon ay binigyan ng karapatang humatol. Nakita ko rin ang kaluluwa ng mga taong pinugutan ng ulo dahil sa pangangaral nila tungkol kay Jesus at dahil sa pagpapahayag nila ng salita ng Dios. Ang mga ito ay hindi sumamba sa halimaw o sa imahen nito, at hindi tumanggap ng tatak nito sa noo o kanang kamay nila. Binuhay sila at binigyan ng karapatang maghari na kasama ni Cristo sa loob ng 1,000 taon. 5 Ito ang unang pagkabuhay ng mga patay. (Ang ibang mga patay ay saka lang bubuhayin pagkatapos ng 1,000 taon.) 6 Mapalad at banal ang mga kabilang sa unang pagkabuhay ng mga patay. Walang kapangyarihan sa kanila ang ikalawang kamatayan. Magiging mga pari sila ng Dios at ni Cristo, at maghaharing kasama niya sa loob ng 1,000 taon.

The Context: Describes souls of martyrs and faithful believers coming to life to reign with Christ for a thousand years, partaking in the "first resurrection" where they are blessed, holy, immune to the second death, and serve as priests, contrasting with the rest of the dead who await the end of this millennium. Again, as I have said earlier, this has nothing to do during Christ and the saints that resurected during the time of his resurrection, those people who were resurrected with Christ where now with him with the Father, Revelation 20 simply stated to those who were left even until the second coming and then the first early resurrection will then occurd followed by those who doesn't believe. See the difference, Jose? 

Conclusion: Which obviously means Jose Rodelio Retome Rata doesn't know his scripture well, especially his Bible. And was only brainwashed by the INC ideology, in which case he is ignorant of the things of the Scriptures.

Kumita na ba Blog mo? - by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

Yung akala siguro nito nagblog ako para pangkabuhayan. Kung kumita man ako sa pagblog di sapat para buhayin pamilya ko Pareng Jose. Palagay mo talaga ginawa ko yan para may macontent lang?

May marangal ako na trabaho Pareng Jose, at di ako nagpapasikat para lang maging popular. Ipasok mo sa brain mo yan.

One of his responses to my challenge.


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Nagpakita Issue - by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

Now look at here, Another Biblical Revelation na gustong pigilan ng ating kaibigang INC na si Pareng Jose. Alam mo ba na biblical Prophecy yan o hindi? (Malachi 4:5-6) Malamang di mo alam at di mo naman pinagaralan ang context ng Bibliya, di ba?



Bigyan kita background kung ano nangyari at nakakahiya naman sayo. April 3, 1836 ng matapos ang unang temple sa Kirtland Ohio, nagpakita si Kristo kay Joseph Smith at Oliver Cowdery at nagdeclara na tinatangap nya ang kanyang tahanan. Tandaan mo si Oliver Cowdery din ang parehong kasama ni Joseph Smith noong nabigyan sila ng Priesthood kay John the Baptist at sa tatlong apostle ni Christo na sina Peter, James at John.

Sa, pagkakataon nito ibang messenger ang nagpakita kay Joseph Smith pagkatapos magpakita si Christo ang magdeclare sa temple. Si Moses nagpakita sumunod si Elias, and Elijah na pareho ibigay ang authoridad para maisagawa ang ibat ibang katungkulan para maitatag ang simbahan o iglesia kamo na.

Note: Si Oliver Cowder ay Tumiwalag sa Simbahan dahil sa mga iilang dahilan, pero hindi man lang ito natinag sa mga pangitain at kung ito ba ay totoo o hindi.

I wrote with my own pen the entire Book of Mormon (save a few pages) as it fell from the lips of the Prophet. . . . I beheld with my eyes, and handled with my hands, the gold plates from which it was translated. I also beheld the Interpreters. . . .

I was present with Joseph when an holy angel from God came down from heaven and conferred, or restored, the Aaronic Priesthood and said at the same time that it should remain upon the earth while the earth stands.

I was also present with Joseph when the Melchisedek Priesthood was conferred by the holy angels of God, which we then confirmed on each other, by the will and commandment of God. (Reuben Miller Journal, LDS Church Historian’s Office.)

For a complete article, visit https://scripturecentral.org/archive/periodicals/journal-article/reuben-millerrecorderofolivercowderysreaffirmations

Ngayon ang Tanong -
  • Si Felix ba mapatunayan mo na tinawag sya ng Panginoon?
  • Sino sa mga INC sa panahon nya ang may kasulatan o patotoo man lang na sila ay witness sa authoridad ni Felix Manalo dahil binigay ito ng Dios o Angel sa kanya?

Concede Defeat Again - Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

Walang alam sa Content and Context - Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

Another Ja-Memes that has been made

Masagot kaya sarili mong Tanong Jose?

Hangal ang di Naniniwala sa Bible - by THE REBUKER

Blog Reputation

My blog has been listed in some blog collection pages, but I didn't care about it until I found one that posted my Old Design. I forgot, and I never knew this was one of the designs that I made for so long, but now I replaced it with this one for no good reason, LOL! Will anyway, thanks to you for your support. I don't need any donations on my blog since I am doing this for a hobby, but if you have, why not? LOL!

Listed at blog ng mga Pinoy. Below was the precise address.
https://blogsngpinoy.blogspot.com/2017/07/jerry-bustillos-online-collection.html

Some other pagerank checkers. It's too slow at this time, but it's not a problem at all.
https://checkpagerank.net/index.php

Isaiah 46:11-13 It's not Cyrus - by Jose Rodelio Retome Rata

THE REBUKER and his Mythical Friends

The David Lanz Collection - Madre De La Tierra

The David Lanz Collection - Return to the Heart

Ordanita Temple Visit with Bulawen Saints


Perez Couple after their Sealing. The experience they had was so wonderful as they tried to meditate every ordinance in the Temple.

Some other Family pictures with Jasher's Friend, Aaron, were taken with her sister Merriel.

With the rest of the photos under the sun. LOL!

My wife, Asuncion S. Bustillo, and I have some Temple Background in the Picture.

During our arrival, around 5:30 and 8:00 am, we were fascinated by some lights, but the camera wasn't that good.

Family Photos na may nakikisingit ng bulingit. That little girl was one of our Branch President's daughters.

Date date din pag may time. Kakain muna