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Deuteronomio 4:39
Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
39 Talastasin mo nga sa araw na ito at isapuso mo, na ang Panginoon ay siyang Dios sa itaas sa langit at sa ibaba sa lupa; wala nang iba pa.
Deuteronomio 32:6
Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
6 Ganyan ba ninyo ginaganti ang Panginoon, O mangmang na bayan at hindi pantas? Hindi ba siya ang iyong ama na tumangkilik sa iyo? Kaniyang nilalang ka, at itinatag ka.
Ayon sa turo ni Moises iisa lang ang Dios sa langit at sa lupa at iyon ay ang Ama at wala ng iba pa.
Juan 17:1-3
Ang Salita ng Dios (Tagalog Contemporary Bible)
1 Pagkasabi ni Jesus ng mga bagay na ito, tumingala siya sa langit at sinabi, “Ama, dumating na ang oras. Parangalan mo ako na iyong Anak para maparangalan din kita. 2 Sapagkat binigyan mo ako ng kapangyarihan sa lahat ng tao para mabigyan ko ng buhay na walang hanggan ang lahat ng taong ibinigay mo sa akin. 3 At ito ang kahulugan ng buhay na walang hanggan: ang makilala ka ng mga tao na ikaw lang ang tunay na Dios, at makilala rin nila ako na isinugo mo.
Ayon naman sa turo ni CRISTO ang Ama lang ang iisang tunay na Dios.
Ang iisang tunay na Dios ay hindi tao ni anak ng tao.
Hosea 11:9
Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
9 Hindi ko isasagawa ang kabangisan ng aking galit, hindi ako babalik upang ipahamak ang Ephraim: sapagka't ako'y Dios, at hindi tao; ang Banal sa gitna mo; at hindi ako paroroon na may galit.
Mga Bilang 23:19
Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
19 Ang Dios ay hindi tao na magsisinungaling, Ni anak ng tao na magsisisi; Sinabi ba niya, at hindi niya gagawin? O sinalita ba niya, at hindi niya isasagawa?
Ayon naman sa turo ni apostol Pablo si Jesus ay taong totoo.
1 Timothy 2:5
Contemporary English Version
5 There is only one God,
and Christ Jesus
is the only one
who can bring us
to God.
Jesus was truly human,
and he gave himself
to rescue all of us.
Ayon sa turo ni apostol Pedro si CRISTO ay TAO.
Acts 2:22
Easy-to-Read Version
22 “My fellow Israelites, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you. He proved it by the miracles, wonders, and miraculous signs he did through Jesus. You all saw these things, so you know this is true.
Ayon sa turo ni apostol Mateo si CRISTO ay tao dahil dinalang-tao at ipinanganak ng kanyang inang si Maria.
Mateo 1:18
Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
18 Ang pagkapanganak nga kay Jesucristo ay ganito: Nang si Maria na kaniyang ina ay magaasawa kay Jose, bago sila magsama ay nasumpungang siya'y nagdadalang-tao sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo.
Si Cristo ay taong tagapamagitan sa iisang Dios at sa mga tao.
1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Si CRISTO ay taong umupo sa kanan ng Dios sa langit.
Hebrews 10:12
King James Version
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Si CRISTO ay taong babalik para maghukom sa mundo dahil siya ang hinirang ng Dios para maghukom sa muno.
Mga Gawa 17:31
Magandang Balita Biblia
31 Sapagkat itinakda na niya ang araw ng paghuhukom sa sanlibutan, at ito'y buong katarungan niyang gagawin sa pamamagitan ng isang tao na kanyang hinirang. Pinatunayan niya ito sa lahat nang muli niyang binuhay ang taong iyon.”
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Part 1: Question and Cross-examination by Jerry Bustillo
Question 1
Question 1. During Christ's Prayer (John 17:3), what was the reason Christ called the Father One True God, when in fact he already knew he was the True God of Israel? Take Note, the Jews have the strict Law or standards they follow, one of which is worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; even during the era of the Greco-Roman Empire, they do observe the same law. So, again, what was Christ's point in declaring the One True God, where it doesn't simply make sense in accordance with their laws and practices?
Answer: Ito ang unang tanong ni Jerry Nuñez Bustillo. ... Question 1 in accordance with your Presentation. Q1. During Christ's Prayer (John 17:3), what was the reason Christ called the Father One True God, when in fact he already knew he was the True God of Israel? Take Note, the Jews have the strict Law or standards they follow, one of which is worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; even during the era of the Greco-Roman Empire, they do observe the same law. So, again, what was Christ's point in declaring the One True God, where it doesn't simply make sense in accordance with their laws and practices? Ito ang sagot sa unang tanong niya. Kaya ipinahayag ni Jesus na ang Ama lamang ang iisang tunay na Dios dahil hindi alam ng mga tao kung sino ang tunay na Dios kundi ang Anak lang.MATEO 11:27 & JUAN 17:25-26. Mateo 11:27 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 27 Ang lahat ng mga bagay ay ibinigay sa akin ng aking Ama: at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Anak kundi ang Ama; at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Ama, kundi ang Anak, at yaong ibiging pagpahayagan ng Anak. Juan 17:25-26 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 25 Oh Amang banal, hindi ka nakikilala ng sanglibutan, nguni't nakikilala kita; at nakikilala ng mga ito na ikaw ang nagsugo sa akin; 26 At ipinakilala ko sa kanila ang iyong pangalan, at ipakikilala ko; upang ang pagibig na sa akin ay iniibig mo ay mapasa kanila, at ako'y sa kanila.
Cross-Examination by Jerry N. Bustillo: THE REBUKER Your answer is irrelevant, they already worship the same God (which is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), which means they already have a common belief, and they were even strict about the Law of Moses, so basically their belief is monotheistic in a sense of One God, as the Israelites even during the Greco-Roman Era. Your biblical passages state that God was the Father of Christ, and no Question about it since it is not relevant to my question. I don't need a follow-up answer. We will proceed to the Next question.
Answer: Ito ang unang tanong ni Jerry Nuñez Bustillo. ... Question 1 in accordance with your Presentation. Q1. During Christ's Prayer (John 17:3), what was the reason Christ called the Father One True God, when in fact he already knew he was the True God of Israel? Take Note, the Jews have the strict Law or standards they follow, one of which is worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; even during the era of the Greco-Roman Empire, they do observe the same law. So, again, what was Christ's point in declaring the One True God, where it doesn't simply make sense in accordance with their laws and practices? Ito ang sagot sa unang tanong niya. Kaya ipinahayag ni Jesus na ang Ama lamang ang iisang tunay na Dios dahil hindi alam ng mga tao kung sino ang tunay na Dios kundi ang Anak lang.MATEO 11:27 & JUAN 17:25-26. Mateo 11:27 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 27 Ang lahat ng mga bagay ay ibinigay sa akin ng aking Ama: at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Anak kundi ang Ama; at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Ama, kundi ang Anak, at yaong ibiging pagpahayagan ng Anak. Juan 17:25-26 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 25 Oh Amang banal, hindi ka nakikilala ng sanglibutan, nguni't nakikilala kita; at nakikilala ng mga ito na ikaw ang nagsugo sa akin; 26 At ipinakilala ko sa kanila ang iyong pangalan, at ipakikilala ko; upang ang pagibig na sa akin ay iniibig mo ay mapasa kanila, at ako'y sa kanila.
Cross-Examination by Jerry N. Bustillo: THE REBUKER Your answer is irrelevant, they already worship the same God (which is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), which means they already have a common belief, and they were even strict about the Law of Moses, so basically their belief is monotheistic in a sense of One God, as the Israelites even during the Greco-Roman Era. Your biblical passages state that God was the Father of Christ, and no Question about it since it is not relevant to my question. I don't need a follow-up answer. We will proceed to the Next question.
Question 2
Quesiton 2. The scripture said that the world was created through him and by him, and everything will not be made without him (Colossians 1:15-17). So my question is, why would we make a human Christ a reason or reference for God's creation?
... Ito ang sagot sa 2 tanong niya kahit wala yan sa presentasyon ko. Hindi ang Anak ang lumalang ng mundo kundi ang Ama.ISAIAS44:24,64:4,8. Isaias 44:24 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 24 Ganito ang sabi ng Panginoon, ng iyong Manunubos, at niyang naganyo sa iyo mula sa bahay-bata, Ako ang Panginoon na gumagawa ng lahat na bagay; na naglaladlad, na magisa ng langit; na naglalatag ng lupa; Isaias 64:4 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 4 Sapagka't hindi narinig ng mga tao mula nang una, o naulinigan man ng pakinig, o ang mata ay nakakita man ng Dios liban sa iyo, na iginagawa niya ng kabutihan ang naghihintay sa kaniya. Isaias 64:8 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 8 Nguni't ngayon, Oh Panginoon, ikaw ay aming Ama; kami ang malagkit na putik, at ikaw ay magpapalyok sa amin; at kaming lahat ay gawa ng iyong kamay. Ang Anak sa pasimula ay hindi pa existido as being kundi nang ipanganak ng isang babae.GALACIA 4:4. Galacia 4:4 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 4 Datapuwa't nang dumating ang kapanahunan, ay sinugo ng Dios ang kaniyang Anak, na ipinanganak ng isang babae, na ipinanganak sa ilalim ng kautusan, Kaya nga binhi ni Abraham ang Anak.GALACIA 3:16. Galacia 3:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 16 Ngayon kay Abraham nga sinabi ang mga pangako, at sa kaniyang binhi. Hindi sinasabi ng Dios, At sa mga binhi, na gaya baga sa marami; kundi gaya sa iisa lamang, At sa iyong binhi, na si Cristo.
Cross-Examination by Jerry N. Bustillo: Again, my question is simple, and it didn't say anything about God being the Only creator since I still hold the same standard that God was the creator, yet the question hangs about Christ that all thing was created by him and through him. Tagalogin ko ba? Walang kinalaman ang sagot sa tanong kung bakit ginawang basihan or bakit sapamamagitan ni Christo nalikha ang mga bagay, hindi question kung kailan siya pinanganak dahil hindi yan ang point ng tanong. God can simple create all thing even without Christ. Pero nalikha ang mga bagay ng dahil sa kanyang anak. So hindi mo nasagot ng maayos ang tanong base sa scripture that I presented.
... Ito ang sagot sa 2 tanong niya kahit wala yan sa presentasyon ko. Hindi ang Anak ang lumalang ng mundo kundi ang Ama.ISAIAS44:24,64:4,8. Isaias 44:24 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 24 Ganito ang sabi ng Panginoon, ng iyong Manunubos, at niyang naganyo sa iyo mula sa bahay-bata, Ako ang Panginoon na gumagawa ng lahat na bagay; na naglaladlad, na magisa ng langit; na naglalatag ng lupa; Isaias 64:4 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 4 Sapagka't hindi narinig ng mga tao mula nang una, o naulinigan man ng pakinig, o ang mata ay nakakita man ng Dios liban sa iyo, na iginagawa niya ng kabutihan ang naghihintay sa kaniya. Isaias 64:8 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 8 Nguni't ngayon, Oh Panginoon, ikaw ay aming Ama; kami ang malagkit na putik, at ikaw ay magpapalyok sa amin; at kaming lahat ay gawa ng iyong kamay. Ang Anak sa pasimula ay hindi pa existido as being kundi nang ipanganak ng isang babae.GALACIA 4:4. Galacia 4:4 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 4 Datapuwa't nang dumating ang kapanahunan, ay sinugo ng Dios ang kaniyang Anak, na ipinanganak ng isang babae, na ipinanganak sa ilalim ng kautusan, Kaya nga binhi ni Abraham ang Anak.GALACIA 3:16. Galacia 3:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 16 Ngayon kay Abraham nga sinabi ang mga pangako, at sa kaniyang binhi. Hindi sinasabi ng Dios, At sa mga binhi, na gaya baga sa marami; kundi gaya sa iisa lamang, At sa iyong binhi, na si Cristo.
Cross-Examination by Jerry N. Bustillo: Again, my question is simple, and it didn't say anything about God being the Only creator since I still hold the same standard that God was the creator, yet the question hangs about Christ that all thing was created by him and through him. Tagalogin ko ba? Walang kinalaman ang sagot sa tanong kung bakit ginawang basihan or bakit sapamamagitan ni Christo nalikha ang mga bagay, hindi question kung kailan siya pinanganak dahil hindi yan ang point ng tanong. God can simple create all thing even without Christ. Pero nalikha ang mga bagay ng dahil sa kanyang anak. So hindi mo nasagot ng maayos ang tanong base sa scripture that I presented.
Question 3
Question 3: When the scriptures said that God was the saviour and no other saviour besides him (Isaiah 43:11). Does this say he changes his thoughts and couldn't keep his word when he chose Christ, who will appear as both the Saviour and a God (Titus 2:13-14)? Support your answer.
... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang 3 tanong niya pero sasagutin ko pa rin dahil walang katapusan itong tanong nila. Ito ang sagot sa 3 tanong! Ang Dios pa rin ang tagapagligtas sa pamamagitan ni Cristo.GAWA 5:30-31. Mga Gawa 5:30-31 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 30 Ibinangon ng Dios ng ating mga magulang si Jesus, na siya ninyong pinatay, na ibinitin sa isang punong kahoy. 31 Siya'y pinadakila ng Dios ng kaniyang kanang kamay upang maging Principe at Tagapagligtas, upang magbigay ng pagsisisi sa Israel, at kapatawaran ng mga kasalanan. ...
Cross-Examination 3. It's in your Presentation. The point of your answer was that God is still the saviour, which obviously we don't need Christ. It simply means we don't need him to come back again the second time, but the scripture simply tells us that he will come back again both as saviour and God. Again, your answer seems just a random scripture that doesn't prove its point. So it's irrelevant.
... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang 3 tanong niya pero sasagutin ko pa rin dahil walang katapusan itong tanong nila. Ito ang sagot sa 3 tanong! Ang Dios pa rin ang tagapagligtas sa pamamagitan ni Cristo.GAWA 5:30-31. Mga Gawa 5:30-31 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 30 Ibinangon ng Dios ng ating mga magulang si Jesus, na siya ninyong pinatay, na ibinitin sa isang punong kahoy. 31 Siya'y pinadakila ng Dios ng kaniyang kanang kamay upang maging Principe at Tagapagligtas, upang magbigay ng pagsisisi sa Israel, at kapatawaran ng mga kasalanan. ...
Cross-Examination 3. It's in your Presentation. The point of your answer was that God is still the saviour, which obviously we don't need Christ. It simply means we don't need him to come back again the second time, but the scripture simply tells us that he will come back again both as saviour and God. Again, your answer seems just a random scripture that doesn't prove its point. So it's irrelevant.
Question 4:
Question 4: In accordance with your claim that in Acts 2:22 that Christ was only Human according to Peter, which is according to your ideology. What did he claim, or what was the very reason why Christ wanted to be stoned by the Jews during his proclamation of his Divinity (John 10:31-33)?
Answer 4: ... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang tanong niya tungkol sa proclamation daw ng divinity ni JESUS sa JUAN 10:30-31 kaya binato siya ng mga Jews. Ito ang sagot! Hindi nauunawaan ng mga Jews ang sinabi ni Jesus na siya at ang Ama ay iisa.Inakala ng mga Judio nakipantay si Jesus sa Dios. kaya binato nila si Jesus. Ang ibig sabihin ni Jesus na siya at ang Ama ay iisa ay tungkol sa kapakanan ng mga tupa nagkakaisa sila sa pangangalaga sa mga tupa.JUAN 10:27-30. John 10:27-30 Contemporary English Version 27 My sheep know my voice, and I know them. They follow me, 28 and I give them eternal life, so that they will never be lost. No one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father gave them to me, and he is greater than all others.[a] No one can snatch them from his hands, 30 and I am one with the Father. John 10:30 The Message I and the Father are one heart and mind.” Walang sinabi diyan si JESUS na siya ay DIOS.
Cross-Examination: ... Again, it was in your presentation that Christ was Human according to Peter in Acts 2:22, but you simply focused on his human nature or as the Son of Man, but not the Son of God. To refute your answer, the Jews did understand that Christ was claiming to be equal with God, in which Christ didn't even make any correction to their understanding of his divinity with God. The Jews stoned him for Blasphemy, which was a blasphemy against their belief that God was the only being they should worship and no other being or god they knew as Christ claims, so they stoned him, as it was said in Tagalog. -
John 19:33 Sumagot ang mga Judio, “Hindi ka namin babatuhin dahil sa mabuting gawa, kundi sa iyong paglapastangan. Dahil ikaw na isang tao lamang ay nagpapakilalang Diyos.”
So, your reference, as according to the context in John 10:31-33 has nothing to do with the understanding of the Jews about his claim as equal with God, but rather he makes it clear, as you have quoted, that the Father works with him or they are one. Your presentation is clearly against Christ's divine origin using Acts 2:22.
Answer 4: ... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang tanong niya tungkol sa proclamation daw ng divinity ni JESUS sa JUAN 10:30-31 kaya binato siya ng mga Jews. Ito ang sagot! Hindi nauunawaan ng mga Jews ang sinabi ni Jesus na siya at ang Ama ay iisa.Inakala ng mga Judio nakipantay si Jesus sa Dios. kaya binato nila si Jesus. Ang ibig sabihin ni Jesus na siya at ang Ama ay iisa ay tungkol sa kapakanan ng mga tupa nagkakaisa sila sa pangangalaga sa mga tupa.JUAN 10:27-30. John 10:27-30 Contemporary English Version 27 My sheep know my voice, and I know them. They follow me, 28 and I give them eternal life, so that they will never be lost. No one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father gave them to me, and he is greater than all others.[a] No one can snatch them from his hands, 30 and I am one with the Father. John 10:30 The Message I and the Father are one heart and mind.” Walang sinabi diyan si JESUS na siya ay DIOS.
Cross-Examination: ... Again, it was in your presentation that Christ was Human according to Peter in Acts 2:22, but you simply focused on his human nature or as the Son of Man, but not the Son of God. To refute your answer, the Jews did understand that Christ was claiming to be equal with God, in which Christ didn't even make any correction to their understanding of his divinity with God. The Jews stoned him for Blasphemy, which was a blasphemy against their belief that God was the only being they should worship and no other being or god they knew as Christ claims, so they stoned him, as it was said in Tagalog. -
John 19:33 Sumagot ang mga Judio, “Hindi ka namin babatuhin dahil sa mabuting gawa, kundi sa iyong paglapastangan. Dahil ikaw na isang tao lamang ay nagpapakilalang Diyos.”
So, your reference, as according to the context in John 10:31-33 has nothing to do with the understanding of the Jews about his claim as equal with God, but rather he makes it clear, as you have quoted, that the Father works with him or they are one. Your presentation is clearly against Christ's divine origin using Acts 2:22.
Question 5
Question 5: According to your claim that Moses said in Deuteronomy 4:39, there is no other God, while not knowing that God was both an Address and a Being. Now, on my previous question in John 10, Christ quoted Psalm 82 while confronting the Jews about his divinity. The word he used was "I said, Ye are gods," quoting Psalm 82:6. The Jews thought Christ proclaimed he was God. Why would Jesus Christ still insist and go on in his statement about him as with the Father (John 10:34-38), and that he was God according to the scripture?
Answer 5: ... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang JOHN 10:34-38 pero sasagutin ko po... Ito naman po ang sagot. Walang sinabi diyan si JESUS na siya ay Dios.Tulad ng nasabi ko ng una mali ang pagkaunawa ng mga Judio sa pahayag ni Jesus inakala kasi ng mga Judio na nakikipantay si Jesus sa Dios nang sabihin niyang siya at ang Ama ay iisa. Iisa sila o nagkakaisa.JUAN 10:27-30. Wala ring sinabi si JESUS diyan sa JUAN 10:38 na Dios siya kundi ang Ama ay nasa kanya at siya'y nasa Ama ibig sabihin nagkakaisa sila.JUAN 17:11,21. Juan 17:11 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 11 At wala na ako sa sanglibutan, at ang mga ito ay nasa sanglibutan, at ako'y paririyan sa iyo. Amang Banal, ingatan mo sila sa iyong pangalan yaong mga ibinigay mo sa akin, upang sila'y maging isa, na gaya naman natin. Juan 17:21 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 21 Upang silang lahat ay maging isa; na gaya mo, Ama, sa akin, at ako'y sa iyo, na sila nama'y suma atin: upang ang sanglibutan ay sumampalataya na ako'y sinugo mo. ...
Cross-examination. The context is clear, Jesus Christ is pointing out that He was with the Father and they are one, and based on the fourth question that I have asked the, this was actually in the same content found in John 10, which he clearly claims and as the Jews understood that He was indeed a God and the very reason why they try to stone him. Your scriptural reference shows irrelevance to questions 4 and 5, and you try to chop it out to avoid the context. This has nothing to do with the relationships with Christ and his Father, but rather his divinity. You're still quoting the same passage where I ask question #1, and you have no clear answers to any of these three questions. Also, you presented Deuteronomy 4:39, which I only use as the reference of the question, in which you seem to avoid Christ's divinity by just sticking just one scripture without understanding the rest. Again, it's irrelevant, and it is part of your presentation.
Answer 5: ... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang JOHN 10:34-38 pero sasagutin ko po... Ito naman po ang sagot. Walang sinabi diyan si JESUS na siya ay Dios.Tulad ng nasabi ko ng una mali ang pagkaunawa ng mga Judio sa pahayag ni Jesus inakala kasi ng mga Judio na nakikipantay si Jesus sa Dios nang sabihin niyang siya at ang Ama ay iisa. Iisa sila o nagkakaisa.JUAN 10:27-30. Wala ring sinabi si JESUS diyan sa JUAN 10:38 na Dios siya kundi ang Ama ay nasa kanya at siya'y nasa Ama ibig sabihin nagkakaisa sila.JUAN 17:11,21. Juan 17:11 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 11 At wala na ako sa sanglibutan, at ang mga ito ay nasa sanglibutan, at ako'y paririyan sa iyo. Amang Banal, ingatan mo sila sa iyong pangalan yaong mga ibinigay mo sa akin, upang sila'y maging isa, na gaya naman natin. Juan 17:21 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 21 Upang silang lahat ay maging isa; na gaya mo, Ama, sa akin, at ako'y sa iyo, na sila nama'y suma atin: upang ang sanglibutan ay sumampalataya na ako'y sinugo mo. ...
Cross-examination. The context is clear, Jesus Christ is pointing out that He was with the Father and they are one, and based on the fourth question that I have asked the, this was actually in the same content found in John 10, which he clearly claims and as the Jews understood that He was indeed a God and the very reason why they try to stone him. Your scriptural reference shows irrelevance to questions 4 and 5, and you try to chop it out to avoid the context. This has nothing to do with the relationships with Christ and his Father, but rather his divinity. You're still quoting the same passage where I ask question #1, and you have no clear answers to any of these three questions. Also, you presented Deuteronomy 4:39, which I only use as the reference of the question, in which you seem to avoid Christ's divinity by just sticking just one scripture without understanding the rest. Again, it's irrelevant, and it is part of your presentation.
Question 6
Question 6: THE REBUKER According to your statement, you said "Ang iisang tunay na Dios ay hindi tao ni anak ng tao", in which obviously you don't know your scripture well. So, when the Scriptures in (1 John 5:7), 1 John. 5:7 For there "are three" (Plural) that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three "are" (Plural) one. Simply shows that they were separate beings, which also aligns with Christ command to his apostles in Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the "name"(singular) of the Father, (comma which is separate and singular being) and of the Son, (comma which is also a separate and singular being) and of the Holy Ghost (another singular being): Clearly they were separate beings and therefore as Christ declare that "He and His father are one" (in purpose and unity). So my question is, if this meant these three weren't coequal as God (both title and a being) and as separate beings, why would God, a single being, still need someone beside Him to bear witness in heaven?
Answer: ... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang 1JOHN 5:7 pero sasagutin ko. Ito ang sagot. Walang sinabi diyan na Dios si Jesus. Ang KALOOBAN ng Dios ay pag-isahin kay Cristo ang lahat ng bagay sa langit at sa lupa.EFESO 1:9-10. Efeso 1:9-10 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 9 Na ipinakikilala niya sa atin ang hiwaga ng kaniyang kalooban, ayon sa kaniyang minagaling na ipinasiya niya sa kaniya rin. 10 Sa pagiging katiwala sa kaganapan ng mga panahon, upang tipunin ang lahat ng mga bagay kay Cristo, ang mga bagay na nangasa sangkalangitan, at ang mga bagay na nangasa ibabaw ng lupa; sa kaniya, sinasabi ko, Nilalang ng Dios ang lahat ng bagay para kay Jesus o nauukol kay Jesus ang lahat ng nilalang ng Dios.COLOSAS 1:16. Colosas 1:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 16 Sapagka't sa kaniya nilalang ang lahat na mga bagay, sa sangkalangitan at sa sangkalupaan, na mga bagay na nakikita at ang mga bagay na di nakikita, maging mga luklukan o mga pagsakop o mga pamunuan o mga kapangyarihan; lahat ng mga bagay ay nilalang sa pamamagitan niya at ukol sa kaniya; Hindi equal ang Ama at si Jesus mas dakila ang Ama kaysa kay Jesus.JUAN 14:28. Juan 14:28 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 28 Narinig ninyo kung paanong sinabi ko sa inyo, Papanaw ako, at paririto ako sa inyo. Kung ako'y inyong iniibig, kayo'y mangagagalak, dahil sa ako'y pasasa Ama: sapagka't ang Ama ay lalong dakila kay sa akin. Hindi rin equal ang Holy Spirit sa Ama at sa Anak dahil parehong isinusugo ito ng Ama at ng Anak.JUAN 14:26,15:26. Juan 14:26 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 26 Datapuwa't ang Mangaaliw, sa makatuwid baga'y ang Espiritu Santo, na susuguin ng Ama sa aking pangalan, siya ang magtuturo sa inyo ng lahat ng mga bagay, at magpapaalaala ng lahat na sa inyo'y aking sinabi. Juan 15:26 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 26 Datapuwa't pagparito ng Mangaaliw, na aking susuguin sa inyo mula sa Ama, sa makatuwid baga'y ang Espiritu ng katotohanan, na nagbubuhat sa Ama, ay siyang magpapatotoo sa akin: Ang isinusugo ay hindi equal kaysa sa nagsugo. Juan 13:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 16 Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo, Ang alipin ay hindi dakila kay sa kaniyang panginoon; ni ang sinugo man ay dakila kay sa nagsugo sa kaniya. Master plan na ng Dios ang pagliligtas sa iglesia through Christ kaya kailangan si Cristo.EFESO 3:20-21. Ephesians 3:20-21 Living Bible 20 Now glory be to God, who by his mighty power at work within us is able to do far more than we would ever dare to ask or even dream of—infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, or hopes. 21 May he be given glory forever and ever through endless ages because of his master plan of salvation for the Church through Jesus Christ. Si Cristo ang tagapagligtas ng iglesia.EFESO 5:23. Efeso 5:23 Magandang Balita Biblia 23 Sapagkat ang lalaki ang ulo ng kanyang asawa, tulad ni Cristo na siyang ulo ng iglesya, na kanyang katawan, at siya ang Tagapagligtas nito. ...
Cross-examination:... Again, you still claim it's not in your presentation where I clearly quoted what exactly you said ("Ang iisang tunay na Dios ay hindi tao ni anak ng tao"), and I ask you the question that simply puts the test. Wag ka magdivert ng attention, everything was based on your presentation. And upon cross-examining your answers, here is the list of the scriptures that might help you out, kung saan ka sumablay. Here's the question you missed - "why would God, a single being, still need someone beside Him to bear witness in heaven?"
Answer: ... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang 1JOHN 5:7 pero sasagutin ko. Ito ang sagot. Walang sinabi diyan na Dios si Jesus. Ang KALOOBAN ng Dios ay pag-isahin kay Cristo ang lahat ng bagay sa langit at sa lupa.EFESO 1:9-10. Efeso 1:9-10 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 9 Na ipinakikilala niya sa atin ang hiwaga ng kaniyang kalooban, ayon sa kaniyang minagaling na ipinasiya niya sa kaniya rin. 10 Sa pagiging katiwala sa kaganapan ng mga panahon, upang tipunin ang lahat ng mga bagay kay Cristo, ang mga bagay na nangasa sangkalangitan, at ang mga bagay na nangasa ibabaw ng lupa; sa kaniya, sinasabi ko, Nilalang ng Dios ang lahat ng bagay para kay Jesus o nauukol kay Jesus ang lahat ng nilalang ng Dios.COLOSAS 1:16. Colosas 1:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 16 Sapagka't sa kaniya nilalang ang lahat na mga bagay, sa sangkalangitan at sa sangkalupaan, na mga bagay na nakikita at ang mga bagay na di nakikita, maging mga luklukan o mga pagsakop o mga pamunuan o mga kapangyarihan; lahat ng mga bagay ay nilalang sa pamamagitan niya at ukol sa kaniya; Hindi equal ang Ama at si Jesus mas dakila ang Ama kaysa kay Jesus.JUAN 14:28. Juan 14:28 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 28 Narinig ninyo kung paanong sinabi ko sa inyo, Papanaw ako, at paririto ako sa inyo. Kung ako'y inyong iniibig, kayo'y mangagagalak, dahil sa ako'y pasasa Ama: sapagka't ang Ama ay lalong dakila kay sa akin. Hindi rin equal ang Holy Spirit sa Ama at sa Anak dahil parehong isinusugo ito ng Ama at ng Anak.JUAN 14:26,15:26. Juan 14:26 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 26 Datapuwa't ang Mangaaliw, sa makatuwid baga'y ang Espiritu Santo, na susuguin ng Ama sa aking pangalan, siya ang magtuturo sa inyo ng lahat ng mga bagay, at magpapaalaala ng lahat na sa inyo'y aking sinabi. Juan 15:26 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 26 Datapuwa't pagparito ng Mangaaliw, na aking susuguin sa inyo mula sa Ama, sa makatuwid baga'y ang Espiritu ng katotohanan, na nagbubuhat sa Ama, ay siyang magpapatotoo sa akin: Ang isinusugo ay hindi equal kaysa sa nagsugo. Juan 13:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 16 Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo, Ang alipin ay hindi dakila kay sa kaniyang panginoon; ni ang sinugo man ay dakila kay sa nagsugo sa kaniya. Master plan na ng Dios ang pagliligtas sa iglesia through Christ kaya kailangan si Cristo.EFESO 3:20-21. Ephesians 3:20-21 Living Bible 20 Now glory be to God, who by his mighty power at work within us is able to do far more than we would ever dare to ask or even dream of—infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, or hopes. 21 May he be given glory forever and ever through endless ages because of his master plan of salvation for the Church through Jesus Christ. Si Cristo ang tagapagligtas ng iglesia.EFESO 5:23. Efeso 5:23 Magandang Balita Biblia 23 Sapagkat ang lalaki ang ulo ng kanyang asawa, tulad ni Cristo na siyang ulo ng iglesya, na kanyang katawan, at siya ang Tagapagligtas nito. ...
Cross-examination:... Again, you still claim it's not in your presentation where I clearly quoted what exactly you said ("Ang iisang tunay na Dios ay hindi tao ni anak ng tao"), and I ask you the question that simply puts the test. Wag ka magdivert ng attention, everything was based on your presentation. And upon cross-examining your answers, here is the list of the scriptures that might help you out, kung saan ka sumablay. Here's the question you missed - "why would God, a single being, still need someone beside Him to bear witness in heaven?"
- 1. Ephesians 1:9-10 - bring all things in heaven and on earth together under Christ at the "fullness of time" - Context was about Christ will soon unite everything at the right time, and the plan will be revealed. This doesn't answer the question. We do know Christ has a role, but the question is, why does God, a supreme being, need someone to do his works?
- 2. Colossians 1:16 - Jesus Christ is the divine creator of all things. I already made my point about this, and it still lacks its ground to answer the question. If God is omnipotent, then why does he need someone to do His work as one who bears witness in heaven?
- 3. John 14:28 - Again, this has nothing to do with the question. So why would God, a supreme omnipotent being, delegate something to someone to do his job where they're not a God to do his works?
- 4. Juan 15:26 - We are there already, that the Holy Ghost will then bear witness to the Son, and so on. This is not the point of the question. Again, why would God need someone to do his works?
- 5. Juan 13:16 - Christ is the Son of God; of course, he is not greater than his Father. So why does God, as the Omnipotent Being, need Christ to save, judge, or do what God would need to do?
- 6. Ephesians 3:20-21 - and how did even this Doxology answer the same question? NONE
- 7. Efeso 5:23 - We all understand that Christ was the Head of the Church in whatever church you wish and use it as your teachings. But this doesn't answer the question.
Question 7
Question 7: According to your words "Ayon naman sa turo ni apostol Pablo si Jesus ay taong totoo." So, when the scripture said that no man (that includes Jesus) sees God and live, or God cannot be seen at any time (John 1:18), you believe Christ was just a mere human (taong totoo). Does this mean Christ was just making things up while he proclaimed he saw God and even observed and do/did what God do/did (John 5:19)?
Answer: ... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang John 1:18 pero sasagutin ko. Malinaw ang turo ni apostol Pablo na totoong tao si Jesus na iisa lang ang Dios kaya walang lugar ang pagka-Dios ni Cristo kung Dios siya. 1 Timothy 2:5 Contemporary English Version 5 There is only one God, and Christ Jesus is the only one who can bring us to God. Jesus was truly human, and he gave himself to rescue all of us. Ang ibig sabihin naman ng John 1:18 na no man has seen God ay hindi yan literal na nakita kundi walang nakakilala sa Dios kundi ang Anak na siya ang nagpakilala nito.JUAN 17:1-3 & MATEO 11:27 & JUAN 17:25-26. Juan 1:18 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 18 Walang taong nakakita kailan man sa Dios; ang bugtong na Anak, na nasa sinapupunan ng Ama, siya ang nagpakilala sa kanya. Juan 17:1-3 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 1 Ang mga bagay na ito ay sinalita ni Jesus; at sa pagtingala ng kaniyang mga mata sa langit, ay sinabi niya, Ama, dumating na ang oras; luwalhatiin mo ang iyong Anak, upang ikaw ay luwalhatiin ng Anak: 2 Gaya ng ibinigay mo sa kaniya ang kapamahalaan sa lahat ng laman, upang bigyan niya ng buhay na walang hanggan ang lahat ng ibinigay mo sa kaniya. 3 At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo. Mateo 11:27 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 27 Ang lahat ng mga bagay ay ibinigay sa akin ng aking Ama: at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Anak kundi ang Ama; at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Ama, kundi ang Anak, at yaong ibiging pagpahayagan ng Anak. Juan 17:25-26 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 25 Oh Amang banal, hindi ka nakikilala ng sanglibutan, nguni't nakikilala kita; at nakikilala ng mga ito na ikaw ang nagsugo sa akin; 26 At ipinakilala ko sa kanila ang iyong pangalan, at ipakikilala ko; upang ang pagibig na sa akin ay iniibig mo ay mapasa kanila, at ako'y sa kanila. Ang nakakilala kay Jesus nakakilala sa Ama na siyang kahulugan ng nakita ang Ama o ang Dios.JUAN 14:7. Juan 14:7 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 7 Kung ako'y nangakilala ninyo ay mangakikilala ninyo ang aking Ama: buhat ngayon siya'y inyong mangakikilala, at siya'y inyong nakita. Juan 7:28-29 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 28 Sumigaw nga si Jesus sa templo, na nagtuturo at sinasabi, Ako'y inyong nakikilala at nalalaman din naman ninyo kung taga saan ako; at hindi ako naparito sa aking sarili, datapuwa't ang nagsugo sa akin ay tunay, na hindi ninyo nakikilala. 29 Siya'y nakikilala ko; sapagka't ako'y mula sa kaniya, at siya ang nagsugo sa akin. Ang ibig sabihin naman na ginagawa ng Anak ang ginagawa ng Ama ay sapagkat kung ano lang ang iniutos sa kanya ng Ama yun lang ang ginagawa niya.JUAN 5:19,30,12:49-50. Juan 12:49-50 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 49 Sapagka't ako'y hindi nagsasalita na mula sa aking sarili; kundi ang Ama na sa akin ay nagsugo, ay siyang nagbigay sa akin ng utos, kung ano ang dapat kong sabihin, at kung ano ang dapat kong salitain. 50 At nalalaman ko na ang kaniyang utos ay buhay na walang hanggan; ang mga bagay nga na sinasalita ko, ay ayon sa sinabi sa akin ng Ama, gayon ko sinasalita. Iyan ang ibig sabihin ni Jesus na kung ano lang ang nakita niyang ginagawa ng Ama ay yun din ang ginagawa niya sapagkat kung ano lang ang iniutos sa kanya ng Ama ay yun ang ginagawa niya. JUAN 5:19. Juan 5:19 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 19 Sumagot nga si Jesus at sinabi sa kanila, Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo, Hindi makagagawa ang Anak ng anoman sa kaniyang sarili kundi ang makita niyang gawin ng Ama; sapagka't ang lahat ng mga bagay na kaniyang ginagawa, ay ang mga ito rin naman ang ginagawa ng Anak sa gayon ding paraan. Walang sinabi diyan sa JUAN 1:18 at JUAN 5:19 na Dios si Cristo. ...
Cross-examination: It is based on your presentation that you claim "taong totoo si kristo", which mean nonsense yang sinasabi mong wala sa presentasyon. I'm basing my question on your personal view and use the scripture to challenge it, wag ka magreklamo kung meron kang makitang sasalungat sa ideology mo dahil ikaw mismo gumagawa sarili mong paniniwala na salungat sa banal na kasulatan.
So here's my Cross-examination. 1 Timothy 2:5 doesn't answer the main question, but rather diverts attention to just one ideology. So 1 Timothy 2:4 is irrelevant. The rest of the scripture references you have shown were just simply flooding with oft-repeated topics. Here's part of it, Juan 17:1-3, which was already mentioned in the first question that hasn't been answered clearly. Matthew 11:27 and Juan 14:7 only prove Christ's divine calling, where it is clear from my viewpoint that he was with God and was indeed a God; no man could claim the same stand as Christ did, and the very reason why the Jews hate him is that they thought he was mocking God by claiming he was equal with the Father. Juan 17:25-26 clearly supports my statement since Christ was one with the Father, so therefore he was indeed the Son of God and not just a title rather literal begotten son. Juan 12:49-50 proves that Christ was divine since his words have the authority from heaven, even right before his death or crucifixion. You said "Walang sinabi diyan sa JUAN 1:18 at JUAN 5:19 na Dios si Cristo." Of course, if you want to find the verbatim lines or statement from Christ. But the context shows Christ indeed has a close relationship with his Father, and what relationship could that be since he calls himself a son of God? See where you fail to understand the scriptures? Your scriptural selection was just a repeated argument on the cherry-pick idea that Christ can't be God just because of a certain claim that he was born as a human; this simply proves you take your scriptures too lightly, that even Christ was just a simple, ordinary guy in your doctrine. Again, your overflooding of Scriptural verses is irrelevant to the question.
Just to be fair, and I don't want THE REBUKER to feel I'm biased on just my side. I still have more questions, actually, but I'm running out of time since THE REBUKER didn't follow the format of Single Thread nested Comment (Rule #9), which consumes a lot of time finding his new thread and responding back and forth were sometimes left unread. Too much time has been wasted, so I would leave the rest of the question to the next portion. So we will consider this part closed as Part 2 approaches. I will give my Analysis later this day. The audience had already started the questions since day one, as THE REBUKER requested, so I'll just add and move along on Part 2.
Answer: ... Again wala sa presentasyon ko ang John 1:18 pero sasagutin ko. Malinaw ang turo ni apostol Pablo na totoong tao si Jesus na iisa lang ang Dios kaya walang lugar ang pagka-Dios ni Cristo kung Dios siya. 1 Timothy 2:5 Contemporary English Version 5 There is only one God, and Christ Jesus is the only one who can bring us to God. Jesus was truly human, and he gave himself to rescue all of us. Ang ibig sabihin naman ng John 1:18 na no man has seen God ay hindi yan literal na nakita kundi walang nakakilala sa Dios kundi ang Anak na siya ang nagpakilala nito.JUAN 17:1-3 & MATEO 11:27 & JUAN 17:25-26. Juan 1:18 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 18 Walang taong nakakita kailan man sa Dios; ang bugtong na Anak, na nasa sinapupunan ng Ama, siya ang nagpakilala sa kanya. Juan 17:1-3 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 1 Ang mga bagay na ito ay sinalita ni Jesus; at sa pagtingala ng kaniyang mga mata sa langit, ay sinabi niya, Ama, dumating na ang oras; luwalhatiin mo ang iyong Anak, upang ikaw ay luwalhatiin ng Anak: 2 Gaya ng ibinigay mo sa kaniya ang kapamahalaan sa lahat ng laman, upang bigyan niya ng buhay na walang hanggan ang lahat ng ibinigay mo sa kaniya. 3 At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo. Mateo 11:27 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 27 Ang lahat ng mga bagay ay ibinigay sa akin ng aking Ama: at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Anak kundi ang Ama; at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Ama, kundi ang Anak, at yaong ibiging pagpahayagan ng Anak. Juan 17:25-26 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 25 Oh Amang banal, hindi ka nakikilala ng sanglibutan, nguni't nakikilala kita; at nakikilala ng mga ito na ikaw ang nagsugo sa akin; 26 At ipinakilala ko sa kanila ang iyong pangalan, at ipakikilala ko; upang ang pagibig na sa akin ay iniibig mo ay mapasa kanila, at ako'y sa kanila. Ang nakakilala kay Jesus nakakilala sa Ama na siyang kahulugan ng nakita ang Ama o ang Dios.JUAN 14:7. Juan 14:7 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 7 Kung ako'y nangakilala ninyo ay mangakikilala ninyo ang aking Ama: buhat ngayon siya'y inyong mangakikilala, at siya'y inyong nakita. Juan 7:28-29 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 28 Sumigaw nga si Jesus sa templo, na nagtuturo at sinasabi, Ako'y inyong nakikilala at nalalaman din naman ninyo kung taga saan ako; at hindi ako naparito sa aking sarili, datapuwa't ang nagsugo sa akin ay tunay, na hindi ninyo nakikilala. 29 Siya'y nakikilala ko; sapagka't ako'y mula sa kaniya, at siya ang nagsugo sa akin. Ang ibig sabihin naman na ginagawa ng Anak ang ginagawa ng Ama ay sapagkat kung ano lang ang iniutos sa kanya ng Ama yun lang ang ginagawa niya.JUAN 5:19,30,12:49-50. Juan 12:49-50 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 49 Sapagka't ako'y hindi nagsasalita na mula sa aking sarili; kundi ang Ama na sa akin ay nagsugo, ay siyang nagbigay sa akin ng utos, kung ano ang dapat kong sabihin, at kung ano ang dapat kong salitain. 50 At nalalaman ko na ang kaniyang utos ay buhay na walang hanggan; ang mga bagay nga na sinasalita ko, ay ayon sa sinabi sa akin ng Ama, gayon ko sinasalita. Iyan ang ibig sabihin ni Jesus na kung ano lang ang nakita niyang ginagawa ng Ama ay yun din ang ginagawa niya sapagkat kung ano lang ang iniutos sa kanya ng Ama ay yun ang ginagawa niya. JUAN 5:19. Juan 5:19 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 19 Sumagot nga si Jesus at sinabi sa kanila, Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo, Hindi makagagawa ang Anak ng anoman sa kaniyang sarili kundi ang makita niyang gawin ng Ama; sapagka't ang lahat ng mga bagay na kaniyang ginagawa, ay ang mga ito rin naman ang ginagawa ng Anak sa gayon ding paraan. Walang sinabi diyan sa JUAN 1:18 at JUAN 5:19 na Dios si Cristo. ...
Cross-examination: It is based on your presentation that you claim "taong totoo si kristo", which mean nonsense yang sinasabi mong wala sa presentasyon. I'm basing my question on your personal view and use the scripture to challenge it, wag ka magreklamo kung meron kang makitang sasalungat sa ideology mo dahil ikaw mismo gumagawa sarili mong paniniwala na salungat sa banal na kasulatan.
So here's my Cross-examination. 1 Timothy 2:5 doesn't answer the main question, but rather diverts attention to just one ideology. So 1 Timothy 2:4 is irrelevant. The rest of the scripture references you have shown were just simply flooding with oft-repeated topics. Here's part of it, Juan 17:1-3, which was already mentioned in the first question that hasn't been answered clearly. Matthew 11:27 and Juan 14:7 only prove Christ's divine calling, where it is clear from my viewpoint that he was with God and was indeed a God; no man could claim the same stand as Christ did, and the very reason why the Jews hate him is that they thought he was mocking God by claiming he was equal with the Father. Juan 17:25-26 clearly supports my statement since Christ was one with the Father, so therefore he was indeed the Son of God and not just a title rather literal begotten son. Juan 12:49-50 proves that Christ was divine since his words have the authority from heaven, even right before his death or crucifixion. You said "Walang sinabi diyan sa JUAN 1:18 at JUAN 5:19 na Dios si Cristo." Of course, if you want to find the verbatim lines or statement from Christ. But the context shows Christ indeed has a close relationship with his Father, and what relationship could that be since he calls himself a son of God? See where you fail to understand the scriptures? Your scriptural selection was just a repeated argument on the cherry-pick idea that Christ can't be God just because of a certain claim that he was born as a human; this simply proves you take your scriptures too lightly, that even Christ was just a simple, ordinary guy in your doctrine. Again, your overflooding of Scriptural verses is irrelevant to the question.
Part 2: Concluding Question - Based on Analysis
Analysis LDS Side
Based on the Questions that have been thrown, every answer does not directly give a tremendous output rather misinterpretations on eisegesis. Parts of it below -
1. The Nature of Christ and God: We all know Christ must come through the well of the Father to perform a great work in his days. Yet, the INC denies his nature since the supposes God and Christ could not or must not be Human as supposed by their interpretation of the Bible. God can do all things, and there must be a need for the Savior to end the laws that bind them. Christ has a relationship with the Father or God long before he was born. The very essence of his prayer was to help them understand that his Father is greater than he and that He was the Son of God who made Himself known to the people in his time.
2. The Creation: It was indeed written in the Old Testament that God alone was the Creator, but this doesn't simply mean he was literally alone. Christ existed with the Father, and the very reason why everything was created was because of him, as the Scriptures state. Colosians 1:16-17, Genesis 1:26, John 1:1, John 17:5, John 8:58, Micah 5:2, and many others. Christ existed with the Father. These scriptures alone are problematic to the INC program, which proves Christ was there during the Creation.
3. Two Saviours: The scripture clearly states that there is no other savior besides God, and he is the Only God that will save his People (Isaiah 43:3,11, 45:15,21,60:16,49:26, Psalm 106:21, etc.), in which some content of the New Testament may also agree with it, like (Luke 1:47, 1 Timothy 1:1, 2:3, 4:10, Titus 1:3, Jude 1:25) makes it clear that God was indeed the Only savior as the Old Testament Prophet said. So why do we need Christ as the point of my question? Which I suppose his nature as a divine being would make it clear. But this also made the INC doctrine problematic, just because Christ was just a human being, so therefore, in my opinion, there's no need for a savior if the one who saves where just a mere human like me? Why would God do that? The Answer of this part isn't actually clear on the INC view.
4. To be fair, if you look at exact phase that Christ state he was a God, of course you couldn't find it. The scripture is supposed to be understood what's the element of the content and the context was all about. This made clear that INC did only take the scripture too lightly. Even the Jews in his time understood Christ teachings and eventually was the cause of his death.
5. No other God. This simply state the monotheistic theology of the Jews but doesn't add up according to the scriptural context. For Example on Psalm 82:6 say about the multiplicity of God in which Christ even quotes the same passage at John 10:34-38. It is also worth that even the old testament prophet already knew God in not limited to just one number. Isaiah 9:6 prophesied of the coming of Christ and as I have mention Genesis 1:26 using the word "Let us Make" simply shows that God talk to some being unknown in their time.
1. The Nature of Christ and God: We all know Christ must come through the well of the Father to perform a great work in his days. Yet, the INC denies his nature since the supposes God and Christ could not or must not be Human as supposed by their interpretation of the Bible. God can do all things, and there must be a need for the Savior to end the laws that bind them. Christ has a relationship with the Father or God long before he was born. The very essence of his prayer was to help them understand that his Father is greater than he and that He was the Son of God who made Himself known to the people in his time.
2. The Creation: It was indeed written in the Old Testament that God alone was the Creator, but this doesn't simply mean he was literally alone. Christ existed with the Father, and the very reason why everything was created was because of him, as the Scriptures state. Colosians 1:16-17, Genesis 1:26, John 1:1, John 17:5, John 8:58, Micah 5:2, and many others. Christ existed with the Father. These scriptures alone are problematic to the INC program, which proves Christ was there during the Creation.
3. Two Saviours: The scripture clearly states that there is no other savior besides God, and he is the Only God that will save his People (Isaiah 43:3,11, 45:15,21,60:16,49:26, Psalm 106:21, etc.), in which some content of the New Testament may also agree with it, like (Luke 1:47, 1 Timothy 1:1, 2:3, 4:10, Titus 1:3, Jude 1:25) makes it clear that God was indeed the Only savior as the Old Testament Prophet said. So why do we need Christ as the point of my question? Which I suppose his nature as a divine being would make it clear. But this also made the INC doctrine problematic, just because Christ was just a human being, so therefore, in my opinion, there's no need for a savior if the one who saves where just a mere human like me? Why would God do that? The Answer of this part isn't actually clear on the INC view.
4. To be fair, if you look at exact phase that Christ state he was a God, of course you couldn't find it. The scripture is supposed to be understood what's the element of the content and the context was all about. This made clear that INC did only take the scripture too lightly. Even the Jews in his time understood Christ teachings and eventually was the cause of his death.
5. No other God. This simply state the monotheistic theology of the Jews but doesn't add up according to the scriptural context. For Example on Psalm 82:6 say about the multiplicity of God in which Christ even quotes the same passage at John 10:34-38. It is also worth that even the old testament prophet already knew God in not limited to just one number. Isaiah 9:6 prophesied of the coming of Christ and as I have mention Genesis 1:26 using the word "Let us Make" simply shows that God talk to some being unknown in their time.
"Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?"
Therefore, The Prophet does understand the Nature of God and as one being to be worship, but doesn't deny the existence of other beings surrounding Him. So Christ during his confrontation to the Jewish Leader did prove to him that he was indeed the Son of God not just created in the womb.
6. Three that bare record in Heave. The point of THE REBUKER's view seem not too close in response to the question. As my Cross-examination shows that God as an Omnipotent, Omniscient, The Alpha and Omega would still need someone to do the task he could effortlessly do is senseless. The series of Scriptural passages were just merely the call of Christ during his Ministry, The Nature of the Father, the Plan of God, and some other were just baseless. The approached might be interesting if the INC believe in the Godhead, were Christ, the Father and the Holy Ghost has the same purpose of salvation with a different types of work to perform. As my Opinion goes, INC doesn't believe on it which might directly says that Christ effort in performing the work of the Father were just only a stage acting that will just prove God is real. This shouldn't be the case. Christ was with the Father in the Beginning and as John 17:5 say he has the same Glory with the father before he leave it just to perform the final sacrifice to end the laws and to bring the Resurrection Salvation or Exaltation.
7. God can't be seen. There are scriptural evidence that prove God was seen by the Prophets of old, Exodus 24:9-11 Moses with Aaron and seventy others saw God. Exodus 33:11 God speak to Moses Face to Face. Isaiah 6:1-5 Isaiah sees the Lord, Acts 7:55-56 Stephen saw God's Glory and Christ in the Right Hand of God. This will simply proves that God can do whatsoever he can for the sake of revelation, or to prove his existence for the sake of belief and salvation. God is not just a partial air bubble that's basically transparent in one's eye, God can do miracles even in physical appearance. When Christ declares he saw God and do the things God did, could be metaphoric, but the settings of this even during even is obvious. Why would Christ Answers a metaphoric statement in a questions that proves his divinity. (John 5:17-20). For me, the very nature of God the Father since we are created in his very own image is simple, He has a body where we are created on the same pattern and if he want to prove his existence he could simply do with as he pleases it and reasons.
Analysis INC side
Failed to Make his Analysis on my Contradictions. Therefore, I don't have any basis to Question his stand.
Question from Analysis by THE REBUKER
THE REBUKER (Question 1): Kung nakita ni Moises at ng iba pa ang Dios physically bakit sinasabi ni Moises na wala silang nakitang Form o anyo ng Dios?Deuteronomio 4:15.
Deuteronomio 4:15
Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
15 Ingatan nga ninyong mabuti ang inyong sarili; sapagka't wala kayong nakitang anomang anyo nang araw na magsalita ang Panginoon sa inyo sa Horeb mula sa gitna ng apoy:
THE REBUKER (Question 2). Kung nakita ng mga ISRAELITA ang Dios physically bakit hindi sila namatay samantalang ang makakakita sa Dios ng mukhaan physically ay mamamatay?EXODO 33:20. Exodo 33:20 Magandang Balita Biblia 20 ngunit hindi mo maaaring makita ang aking mukha sapagkat tiyak na mamamatay ang sinumang makakita niyon.
THE REBUKER (Question 3): Bukod kay Moises na ipinakita ng Dios ang kanyang kaluwalhatian na nakita ang likod at mga daliri na sinasabi mo sino-sino pang mga ISRAELITA ang pinakitaan ng Dios ng kanyang likod at mga daliri na sinasabi mo?EXODO 33:18-20. Exodo 33:18-20 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 18 At sinabi ni Moises, Ipakita mo sa akin, idinadalangin ko sa iyo, ang iyong kaluwalhatian. 19 At kaniyang sinabi, Aking papangyayarihin ang aking buong kabutihan sa harap mo, at aking itatanyag ang pangalan ng Panginoon sa harap mo; at ako'y magkakaloob ng biyaya sa kanino mang aking ibig pagkalooban, at ako'y magmamaawain sa kanino mang aking ibig kaawaan. 20 At kaniyang sinabi, Hindi mo makikita ang aking mukha: sapagka't hindi maaaring makita ako ng tao at mabuhay.
THE REBUKER (Question 4): Sino-sino ang 70 pa na mga ISRAELITA ang pinakitaan ng likod at daliri ng Dios na sinasabi mo? Kung wala kang maibibigay na mga pangalan ang tagpo nalang na mababasa sa bible na ipinakita ng Dios ang likod at mga daliri niya sa kanila.
THE REBUKER (Question 5): Kung literal na nakita nila pisikal ang Dios-yun bang binanggit na 'body of heaven' ay ang pisikal na katawan ng Dios?
THE REBUKER (Question 6): Kung si Cristo ay CREATOR hindi CREATED BEING bakit panganay siya ng lahat ng mga nilalang o creatures?COLOSAS 1:15. Colosas 1:15 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 15 Na siya ang larawan ng Dios na di nakikita, ang panganay ng lahat ng mga nilalang;
JERRY BUSTILLO (Answer 1): ... Wala kang analysis pero sige ok lang. Sagot: Dahil yan ang unang pangyayari bago sumunod yung pinakitaan na ng dios sila moses at mga iba pa sa anyo ng Dios at ibang parte ng kanyang katawan gaya ng mukha, likod na parte at kahit daliri.
...I stand corrected Nagkamali ako ng tingin. The answer is simple, it was a commandment to the Israelite that during those time na narinig nila nagsalita ang panginoon hindi nila ito nakikita, kaya binabalaan sila na hindi sila magawa ng kahit anong anyo ng diosdiosan dahil wala naman sila nakita maliban sa narinig. That time na hindi pa nila nakita ang Dios addressing in the people in General.
THE REBUKER (Question 2). Kung nakita ng mga ISRAELITA ang Dios physically bakit hindi sila namatay samantalang ang makakakita sa Dios ng mukhaan physically ay mamamatay?EXODO 33:20. Exodo 33:20 Magandang Balita Biblia 20 ngunit hindi mo maaaring makita ang aking mukha sapagkat tiyak na mamamatay ang sinumang makakita niyon.
JERRY BUSTILLO (Answer 2): Hindi sa lahat ng bagay makikita at mamatay kung gustuhin ng Dios. Una dyan si Moses noong magpakita ang Dios sa kanya may dahilan at may limitasyo. Makapangyarihan ang Dios at di nya papayagan mamatay kung sino man ang tawagin nya ng dahil lang nakita sya, maliban lang kung wala itong dahilan. Genesis 32:30
THE REBUKER (Question 3): Bukod kay Moises na ipinakita ng Dios ang kanyang kaluwalhatian na nakita ang likod at mga daliri na sinasabi mo sino-sino pang mga ISRAELITA ang pinakitaan ng Dios ng kanyang likod at mga daliri na sinasabi mo?EXODO 33:18-20. Exodo 33:18-20 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 18 At sinabi ni Moises, Ipakita mo sa akin, idinadalangin ko sa iyo, ang iyong kaluwalhatian. 19 At kaniyang sinabi, Aking papangyayarihin ang aking buong kabutihan sa harap mo, at aking itatanyag ang pangalan ng Panginoon sa harap mo; at ako'y magkakaloob ng biyaya sa kanino mang aking ibig pagkalooban, at ako'y magmamaawain sa kanino mang aking ibig kaawaan. 20 At kaniyang sinabi, Hindi mo makikita ang aking mukha: sapagka't hindi maaaring makita ako ng tao at mabuhay.
JERRY BUSTILLO (Answer 3): Ito ba? ah ok di ko napansin. Wag ka kasi magawa ng bagong thread, idugtong mo lang sa huling sagot, yan ang tinatawag na nested comment. Gawa ka kasi ng gawa ng bagong thread kaya mahiwahiwalay ang usapin. Sagot: nabangit ko na sa Analysis, hindi lang si Moses meron pang 70 na pinili para makita nila ang Dios pero hindi sa lahat ng Israelita. May dahilan ito kung bakit nagpakita ang Dios sa kanila.
THE REBUKER (Question 4): Sino-sino ang 70 pa na mga ISRAELITA ang pinakitaan ng likod at daliri ng Dios na sinasabi mo? Kung wala kang maibibigay na mga pangalan ang tagpo nalang na mababasa sa bible na ipinakita ng Dios ang likod at mga daliri niya sa kanila.
JERRY BUSTILLO (Answer 4): Ok sige brother para masatisfy yang tanong mo, VIP ka eh, kakahiya naman sa mga VIP katulad mo. Exodus 24:9-11: "Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw (NAKITA) the God of Israel: and there was under his feet (PAA) as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body (KATAWAN) of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand(KAMAY): also they saw God (NAKITA ULIT), and did eat and drink."
THE REBUKER (Question 5): Kung literal na nakita nila pisikal ang Dios-yun bang binanggit na 'body of heaven' ay ang pisikal na katawan ng Dios?
JERRY BUSTILLO (Answer 5): It's metaphoric since hindi nila kaya ipaliwanag. hindi katawang tao na mortal ang nakita nila so for sure kahit sino sa ating mga tao hindi kaya ipaliwanag kung makita man natin ang Dios dahil walang katumbas na temporal or physical na katangian ang katawan ng Dios.
THE REBUKER (Question 6): Kung si Cristo ay CREATOR hindi CREATED BEING bakit panganay siya ng lahat ng mga nilalang o creatures?COLOSAS 1:15. Colosas 1:15 Ang Dating Biblia (1905) 15 Na siya ang larawan ng Dios na di nakikita, ang panganay ng lahat ng mga nilalang;
JERRY BUSTILLO (Answer 6): Panganay si Kristo sa iilang katangian, isa dyan ay siya literal na panganay na Anak ng Dios. Ibig sabihin existido na o kasama na nya ang Dios noon pa gaya sa nasabi ko sa aking analysis kaya nga lahat ng nalikha ay nalikha dahil sa kanya. Pangalawa siya firstborn para maisakatuparan ang pagkabuhay na maguli ng mga patay. Tanging sya lang ang may kakayahan noon dahil hindi siya puro pinanganak na Tao, may katangian sya na isang Dios ang katawan nya, kaya sya ang Firstborn para madaig ang kamatayan.
Question from Analysis by Jerry Bustillo
Since he failed to post his Analysis, I choose not to ask questions to avoid disqualifications.
Part 3: Closing Statement
THE REBUKER closing Statement
Di naman napatunayan ni Jerry Nuñez Bustillo na Dios si Cristo.
Binigyan lang niya ng sariling pakahulugan ang mga bible verses na ginamit niya hindi ang mismong bible ang pinapagpaliwanag niya.
Malinaw ang turo ng bible na iisa lang ang Dios at si Cristo ay tao sa likas na kalikasan. 1 Timothy 2:5 CEV 5 There is only one God, and Christ Jesus is the only one who can bring us to God. Jesus was truly human, and he gave himself to rescue all of us.
KLARO na there is ONLY ONE GOD at si CRISTO ay isang TAO. Ang ONLY ONE GOD ayon mismo kay CRISTO ay ang AMA. John 17:1-3 CEV 1 After Jesus had finished speaking to his disciples, he looked up toward heaven and prayed: Father, the time has come for you to bring glory to your Son, in order that he may bring glory to you. 2 And you gave him power over all people, so he would give eternal life to everyone you give him. 3 Eternal life is to know you, the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, the one you sent.
Si CRISTO ay hindi isang CREATOR kundi isang CREATED BEING sapagkat panganay siya sa lahat ng mga nilalang o creatures. Colosas 1:15 ADB 15 Na siya ang larawan ng Dios na di nakikita, ang panganay ng lahat ng mga nilalang; PANGANAY dahil una siyang naisip ng Dios bago ang lahat ng mga nilalang. 1PEDRO 1:20 JUAN TRINIDAD VERSION 20 Nasa isip na siya ng Diyos bago pa lalangin ang daigdig ngunit ipinakilala siya ngayong huling panahon dahil sa inyo. Kaya nga sa pasimula siya ay VERBO o PLANO ng Dios. VERBO...At ang Anak ay tinawag niyang isang uri ng banaag ng kaisipan na nagmumula sa Ama.FOOTNOTE JUAN 1:1 TRINIDAD TRANSLATION UMIRAL lang ang Anak ng ipanganak siya ng isang babae.GALACIA 4:4 Galacia 4:4 ADB 4 Datapuwa't nang dumating ang kapanahunan, ay sinugo ng Dios ang kaniyang Anak, na ipinanganak ng isang babae, na ipinanganak sa ilalim ng kautusan,
DINALANG-TAO ni Maria na kanyang ina sa pamamagitan ng ESPIRITU SANTO. Mateo 1:18,20 ADB 18 Ang pagkapanganak nga kay Jesucristo ay ganito: Nang si Maria na kaniyang ina ay magaasawa kay Jose, bago sila magsama ay nasumpungang siya'y nagdadalang-tao sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo. 20 Datapuwa't samantalang pinagiisip niya ito, narito, ang isang anghel ng Panginoon ay napakita sa kaniya sa panaginip, na nagsasabi: Jose, anak ni David, huwag kang mangamba sa pagtanggap kay Maria na iyong asawa: sapagka't ang kaniyang dinadalang-tao ay sa Espiritu Santo.
Ang DIOS lamang na Ama ang nag-iisang CREATOR ng lahat ng mga bagay. Isaias 44:24 ASND 24 Ito ang sinasabi ng Panginoon na inyong Tagapagligtas na lumikha sa inyo: Ako ang Panginoong lumikha ng lahat ng bagay. Ako lang mag-isa ang naglatag ng langit at ako lang din ang lumikha ng mundo. Isaias 64:4,8 ASND 4 Mula noon hanggang ngayon wala pang nakarinig o nakakita ng Dios na katulad nʼyo na tumutulong sa mga nagtitiwala sa kanya. 8 Pero, Panginoon, kayo pa rin ang aming Ama. Ang katulad ninyoʼy magpapalayok, at kami naman ay parang putik. Kayo ang gumawa sa aming lahat.
Ang Dios ay isang ESPIRITU. John 4:24 KJV 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Ang isang ESPIRITU ay walang laman at mga buto samantalang si JESUS ay mayroon. Lucas 24:39 Ang Bagong Tipan: Filipino Standard Version 39 Tingnan ninyo ang aking mga kamay at aking mga paa. Ako ito. Hipuin ninyo ako at masdan; sapagkat ang espiritu ay walang buto at laman, at nakikita ninyong mayroon ako ng mga ito.”
KLARO na hindi isang ESPIRITU si JESUS samantalang ang DIOS ay isang ESPIRITU. Samakatuwid-hindi isang DIOS si CRISTO. Si Cristo ay isang ESPESYAL na tao na sa pamamagitan niya gumawa ng mga himala at tanda ang DIOS. Acts 2:22 ERV 22 “My fellow Israelites, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you. He proved it by the miracles, wonders, and miraculous signs he did through Jesus. You all saw these things, so you know this is true.
Ginawa siya ng DIOS na PANGINOON.GAWA 2:36. Acts 2:36 ERV 36 “So, all the people of Israel should know this for certain: God has made Jesus to be Lord and Messiah. He is the man you nailed to the cross!” Ginawa siya ng Dios na TAGAPAGLIGTAS. Acts 5:30-31 ERV 30 You killed Jesus by nailing him to a cross. But God, the same God our fathers had, raised Jesus up from death. 31 Jesus is the one God honored by giving him a place at his right side. He made him our Leader and Savior. God did this to give all the people of Israel the opportunity to change and turn to God to have their sins forgiven. Iniutos ng DIOS na sambahin si CRISTO. Philippians 2:9-11 ERV 9 So God raised him up to the most important place and gave him the name that is greater than any other name. 10 God did this so that every person will bow down to honor the name of Jesus. Everyone in heaven, on earth, and under the earth will bow. 11 They will all confess, “Jesus Christ is Lord,” and this will bring glory to God the Father.
Si Jesus ay ANAK ng DIOS. Matthew 3:16-17 ERV 16 So Jesus was baptized. As soon as he came up out of the water, the sky opened, and he saw God’s Spirit coming down on him like a dove. 17 A voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him.” Ang pagka-Anak ng Dios ni JESUS ay prebilihiyo na tinanggap niya mula sa Dios.2PEDRO 1:16-18 & MATEO 17:5. 2 Peter 1:16-18 ERV 16 We told you about the power of our Lord Jesus Christ. We told you about his coming. The things we told you were not just clever stories that people invented. No, we saw the greatness of Jesus with our own eyes. 17 Jesus heard the voice of the great and glorious God. That was when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him.” 18 And we heard that voice. It came from heaven while we were with Jesus on the holy mountain. Matthew 17:1-2,5 ERV 1 Six days later, Jesus took Peter, James, and John the brother of James and went up on a high mountain. They were all alone there. 2 While these followers watched him, Jesus was changed. His face became bright like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 5 While Peter was talking, a bright cloud came over them. A voice came from the cloud and said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him. Obey him!”
Si JESUS ay isang TAO ngunit hindi karaniwang tao dahil may mga katangian siyang ibinigay ng DIOS na wala sa karaniwang tao. Hindi siya nagkasala. 1 Peter 2:21-22 ERV 21 This is what you were chosen to do. Christ gave you an example to follow. He suffered for you. So you should do the same as he did: 22 “He never sinned, and he never told a lie.” John 8:40 King James Version 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: TAO siyang umupo sa kanan ng DIOS sa langit.
Hebrews 10:10,12 KJV 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; My conclusion statement.
Malinaw ang turo ng bible na iisa lang ang Dios at si Cristo ay tao sa likas na kalikasan. 1 Timothy 2:5 CEV 5 There is only one God, and Christ Jesus is the only one who can bring us to God. Jesus was truly human, and he gave himself to rescue all of us.
KLARO na there is ONLY ONE GOD at si CRISTO ay isang TAO. Ang ONLY ONE GOD ayon mismo kay CRISTO ay ang AMA. John 17:1-3 CEV 1 After Jesus had finished speaking to his disciples, he looked up toward heaven and prayed: Father, the time has come for you to bring glory to your Son, in order that he may bring glory to you. 2 And you gave him power over all people, so he would give eternal life to everyone you give him. 3 Eternal life is to know you, the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, the one you sent.
Si CRISTO ay hindi isang CREATOR kundi isang CREATED BEING sapagkat panganay siya sa lahat ng mga nilalang o creatures. Colosas 1:15 ADB 15 Na siya ang larawan ng Dios na di nakikita, ang panganay ng lahat ng mga nilalang; PANGANAY dahil una siyang naisip ng Dios bago ang lahat ng mga nilalang. 1PEDRO 1:20 JUAN TRINIDAD VERSION 20 Nasa isip na siya ng Diyos bago pa lalangin ang daigdig ngunit ipinakilala siya ngayong huling panahon dahil sa inyo. Kaya nga sa pasimula siya ay VERBO o PLANO ng Dios. VERBO...At ang Anak ay tinawag niyang isang uri ng banaag ng kaisipan na nagmumula sa Ama.FOOTNOTE JUAN 1:1 TRINIDAD TRANSLATION UMIRAL lang ang Anak ng ipanganak siya ng isang babae.GALACIA 4:4 Galacia 4:4 ADB 4 Datapuwa't nang dumating ang kapanahunan, ay sinugo ng Dios ang kaniyang Anak, na ipinanganak ng isang babae, na ipinanganak sa ilalim ng kautusan,
DINALANG-TAO ni Maria na kanyang ina sa pamamagitan ng ESPIRITU SANTO. Mateo 1:18,20 ADB 18 Ang pagkapanganak nga kay Jesucristo ay ganito: Nang si Maria na kaniyang ina ay magaasawa kay Jose, bago sila magsama ay nasumpungang siya'y nagdadalang-tao sa pamamagitan ng Espiritu Santo. 20 Datapuwa't samantalang pinagiisip niya ito, narito, ang isang anghel ng Panginoon ay napakita sa kaniya sa panaginip, na nagsasabi: Jose, anak ni David, huwag kang mangamba sa pagtanggap kay Maria na iyong asawa: sapagka't ang kaniyang dinadalang-tao ay sa Espiritu Santo.
Ang DIOS lamang na Ama ang nag-iisang CREATOR ng lahat ng mga bagay. Isaias 44:24 ASND 24 Ito ang sinasabi ng Panginoon na inyong Tagapagligtas na lumikha sa inyo: Ako ang Panginoong lumikha ng lahat ng bagay. Ako lang mag-isa ang naglatag ng langit at ako lang din ang lumikha ng mundo. Isaias 64:4,8 ASND 4 Mula noon hanggang ngayon wala pang nakarinig o nakakita ng Dios na katulad nʼyo na tumutulong sa mga nagtitiwala sa kanya. 8 Pero, Panginoon, kayo pa rin ang aming Ama. Ang katulad ninyoʼy magpapalayok, at kami naman ay parang putik. Kayo ang gumawa sa aming lahat.
Ang Dios ay isang ESPIRITU. John 4:24 KJV 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Ang isang ESPIRITU ay walang laman at mga buto samantalang si JESUS ay mayroon. Lucas 24:39 Ang Bagong Tipan: Filipino Standard Version 39 Tingnan ninyo ang aking mga kamay at aking mga paa. Ako ito. Hipuin ninyo ako at masdan; sapagkat ang espiritu ay walang buto at laman, at nakikita ninyong mayroon ako ng mga ito.”
KLARO na hindi isang ESPIRITU si JESUS samantalang ang DIOS ay isang ESPIRITU. Samakatuwid-hindi isang DIOS si CRISTO. Si Cristo ay isang ESPESYAL na tao na sa pamamagitan niya gumawa ng mga himala at tanda ang DIOS. Acts 2:22 ERV 22 “My fellow Israelites, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you. He proved it by the miracles, wonders, and miraculous signs he did through Jesus. You all saw these things, so you know this is true.
Ginawa siya ng DIOS na PANGINOON.GAWA 2:36. Acts 2:36 ERV 36 “So, all the people of Israel should know this for certain: God has made Jesus to be Lord and Messiah. He is the man you nailed to the cross!” Ginawa siya ng Dios na TAGAPAGLIGTAS. Acts 5:30-31 ERV 30 You killed Jesus by nailing him to a cross. But God, the same God our fathers had, raised Jesus up from death. 31 Jesus is the one God honored by giving him a place at his right side. He made him our Leader and Savior. God did this to give all the people of Israel the opportunity to change and turn to God to have their sins forgiven. Iniutos ng DIOS na sambahin si CRISTO. Philippians 2:9-11 ERV 9 So God raised him up to the most important place and gave him the name that is greater than any other name. 10 God did this so that every person will bow down to honor the name of Jesus. Everyone in heaven, on earth, and under the earth will bow. 11 They will all confess, “Jesus Christ is Lord,” and this will bring glory to God the Father.
Si Jesus ay ANAK ng DIOS. Matthew 3:16-17 ERV 16 So Jesus was baptized. As soon as he came up out of the water, the sky opened, and he saw God’s Spirit coming down on him like a dove. 17 A voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him.” Ang pagka-Anak ng Dios ni JESUS ay prebilihiyo na tinanggap niya mula sa Dios.2PEDRO 1:16-18 & MATEO 17:5. 2 Peter 1:16-18 ERV 16 We told you about the power of our Lord Jesus Christ. We told you about his coming. The things we told you were not just clever stories that people invented. No, we saw the greatness of Jesus with our own eyes. 17 Jesus heard the voice of the great and glorious God. That was when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him.” 18 And we heard that voice. It came from heaven while we were with Jesus on the holy mountain. Matthew 17:1-2,5 ERV 1 Six days later, Jesus took Peter, James, and John the brother of James and went up on a high mountain. They were all alone there. 2 While these followers watched him, Jesus was changed. His face became bright like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 5 While Peter was talking, a bright cloud came over them. A voice came from the cloud and said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him. Obey him!”
Si JESUS ay isang TAO ngunit hindi karaniwang tao dahil may mga katangian siyang ibinigay ng DIOS na wala sa karaniwang tao. Hindi siya nagkasala. 1 Peter 2:21-22 ERV 21 This is what you were chosen to do. Christ gave you an example to follow. He suffered for you. So you should do the same as he did: 22 “He never sinned, and he never told a lie.” John 8:40 King James Version 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: TAO siyang umupo sa kanan ng DIOS sa langit.
Hebrews 10:10,12 KJV 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; My conclusion statement.
Jerry N. Bustillo's Closing Statement
It is actually clear based on those simple question that I have thown that THE REBUKER guy doesn't have any clue about the divinity of Christ, rather he simply picks up scriptural themes that doesn't even shows the full context of the settings. He fails to defend and understand the scriptures and quoting it out of context.
Therefore in this particular topic, he fails to give a direct blow of how Christ as their doctrine show was just a mere human and not divine. He couldn't give a particular event that proves his Nature as only human rather cherry-picks the verses he just simply love to quote and leave the rest of the verse less important. This has been proven even in John 17:3-5 which he always quote just the third verse a leave verse five that shows Jesus Christ evendence of his Existence with the Father "with the glory which I had with thee 'BEFORE' the world was." This particular scripture alone is problimatic in their doctrine and the rest of his quotes were just irrelevant to the specific topic.
Yes the Bible clearly states that the Father is the only true God who we should serve, honor or worship, but this doesn't prove Christ divinity and his divine Origin. The Scripture clearly state the phrase "God sent his Son", it is clear the he was somewhere not in the realms of mortal world, it wasn't use in the scripture something like God make his son, or create his son, or something relevant to human birth. The Point is clear, Christ was already there or existed with the Father as my analysis proves his existence (John 1:1-5).
Christ however mentain his title as both the Son of Man to prove his humility and obedience to the Father even til death (Philippians 2:6-8), and at the Same time the Son of God which proves his divine identity as the saviour and Judge (John 5:22) and that through him the world was made and couldn't be made without him (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16-17). He was foreordain before the world was created which clearly shows the INC missed this important part where they always provide the text forknown that makes this even more problematic. as their theology shows that Christ was the first born and yet he was not there during the creation of the first man or even during the first day of creation. This doesn't make sense according to some scriptural text such as John 1, Colosian 1, Philippians 2, John 8:5, Proverbs 30:4 and alot more that proves his existence with the Father). You can't deny that scripture verse would simply contradicst his ideology and yet he still go on with the problimatic and ontradiction.
Therefore as we move along with the defense of his doctrine, it is reasonable to say that he fail to defend and lost this debate or defeat by fallacious reasoning. I could be biased on my own opion and we do know everyone has it's own biases. But this time it was proven that THE REBUKER did not present a good argument rather flooding the text through misinterpretation and out of context reasoning. He didn't present it will even in question and answer portion where he left stun on some question that he throws out irrelevant passages.
In addition, as his conclution goes with some reasoning, that the Father was the Only God and that Christ was a Man since he was born out from a human Mother. This alone is problimatic, There's no good reason to call a being a Father without any purpose on using the specific address which is "Father", why would God do that if he has no Son or a Family.
I may now leave this statement to the people who could judge it fairly in during this exchange. - TBC
Therefore in this particular topic, he fails to give a direct blow of how Christ as their doctrine show was just a mere human and not divine. He couldn't give a particular event that proves his Nature as only human rather cherry-picks the verses he just simply love to quote and leave the rest of the verse less important. This has been proven even in John 17:3-5 which he always quote just the third verse a leave verse five that shows Jesus Christ evendence of his Existence with the Father "with the glory which I had with thee 'BEFORE' the world was." This particular scripture alone is problimatic in their doctrine and the rest of his quotes were just irrelevant to the specific topic.
Yes the Bible clearly states that the Father is the only true God who we should serve, honor or worship, but this doesn't prove Christ divinity and his divine Origin. The Scripture clearly state the phrase "God sent his Son", it is clear the he was somewhere not in the realms of mortal world, it wasn't use in the scripture something like God make his son, or create his son, or something relevant to human birth. The Point is clear, Christ was already there or existed with the Father as my analysis proves his existence (John 1:1-5).
Christ however mentain his title as both the Son of Man to prove his humility and obedience to the Father even til death (Philippians 2:6-8), and at the Same time the Son of God which proves his divine identity as the saviour and Judge (John 5:22) and that through him the world was made and couldn't be made without him (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16-17). He was foreordain before the world was created which clearly shows the INC missed this important part where they always provide the text forknown that makes this even more problematic. as their theology shows that Christ was the first born and yet he was not there during the creation of the first man or even during the first day of creation. This doesn't make sense according to some scriptural text such as John 1, Colosian 1, Philippians 2, John 8:5, Proverbs 30:4 and alot more that proves his existence with the Father). You can't deny that scripture verse would simply contradicst his ideology and yet he still go on with the problimatic and ontradiction.
Therefore as we move along with the defense of his doctrine, it is reasonable to say that he fail to defend and lost this debate or defeat by fallacious reasoning. I could be biased on my own opion and we do know everyone has it's own biases. But this time it was proven that THE REBUKER did not present a good argument rather flooding the text through misinterpretation and out of context reasoning. He didn't present it will even in question and answer portion where he left stun on some question that he throws out irrelevant passages.
In addition, as his conclution goes with some reasoning, that the Father was the Only God and that Christ was a Man since he was born out from a human Mother. This alone is problimatic, There's no good reason to call a being a Father without any purpose on using the specific address which is "Father", why would God do that if he has no Son or a Family.
I may now leave this statement to the people who could judge it fairly in during this exchange. - TBC