Job Bautista: Desperately fail

Yet another attempt from our friendly antagonist, Job Bautista! This time, Job decided to reply to my previous post where I had already addressed some of the criticisms he brought up. It's interesting that he has tried to revisit these points, thinking perhaps there's still more to discuss. However, his latest arguments seem to miss the mark once again.

Below, you'll find his latest post, with my responses added in color to keep things clear. While Job’s efforts might seem repetitive to some, I believe it's essential to keep the dialogue open and constructive. After all, it's through such exchanges that we can better understand each other’s perspectives.

Feel free to jump in with your thoughts! Let's keep the conversation positive and respectful, focusing on learning and growth. It's through friendly dialogue that we can all benefit, regardless of our differing viewpoints. 😊 -

Jerry Nuñez Bustillo

(same old as he addressed his attacks)

Dahil dios niyo si Nephi siya ang ngayon ang pinaglilingkuran ng angel ? 2 Nephi 4:24

This is quite amusing. It looks like Job Bautista is getting a bit confused about some of our core teachings. Just to clarify, we never said Nephi was a God. It seems there's some misunderstanding on his part regarding the words "worship" and "minister." According to Job, angels ministering to God the Father is equivalent to worship.

But here's the thing – in LDS doctrine, these terms have distinct meanings. Ministering refers to serving or helping, which angels do in various capacities, including aiding us here on Earth. Worship, on the other hand, is reserved for deity, primarily our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ.

Considering his latest post, it seems Job might have missed my previous explanation on this subject. So, what happened to my post where I delved into these terms and their meanings? Did you get a chance to answer it or perhaps review the details?

I've shared my responses in the text below to provide more context.

24 At sa araw ako ay nawalan ng takot na taimtim na manalangin sa harapan niya; oo, ang aking tinig ay pinararating ko sa kaitaasan; at ang mga anghel ay bumaba at naglingkod sa akin.

ANG ANGEL DAW BUMABA AT NAGLINGKOD KAY NEPHI ?

Sure, if that's your belief. So what's the big deal? Angels minister to Christ, but you believe Christ was just a man. How does that work?

Matthew 4:11Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

kasi itong talata na ito pilit ninyo kinokonek sa Hebreo 1:14 Ano ang mga anghel, kung ganoon? Sila'y mga espiritung naglilingkod sa Diyos at mga isinugo upang tumulong sa mga Mali ligtas.

Seriously, that's how you understand the scripture? 🤔 Let's remember that the scriptures give us multiple examples of angels ministering to individuals. For instance, an angel appeared to Samson's parents in Judges 13:3:

"And the angel of the Lord appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son." (Judges 13:3)

There are also other examples in the scriptures, such as when the angel Gabriel visited Mary in Luke 1:26-28:

"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." (Luke 1:26-28)

These instances show that ministering angels have been present throughout biblical history. What are your thoughts on these examples?

For a detailed reading see Judges13:2-5 to treasure out some Scriptures.

2 ¶ And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and bare not. 

3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.

4 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing

5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.

DITO SA HEB. 1:14 ANG ANGEL NG DIYOS ANG PINAGLILINKURAN NIYA ANG DIYOS .

DIBA KITANG KITA ANG MAGKAIBA NG VERSION .

Your making it too hard for you to understand basic things. How are you gonna reconcile that with the scriptures that I gave?

VERSION NG DIYOS SIYA PINAGLILINGKURAN NG ANGEL.

No question to that, but don't limit their Capacity to minister. God has the means for each of his children to understand his words and Ministering Angels has that authority to deliver His (God's) message in those days. And I'm pretty much sure you are confused about the Word Minister VS Worship. Maybe because you limit your vocabulary to the TAGALOG version. Either way that's fine with me and not even a contradiction.

VERSION NI NEPHI SIYA NAMAN ANG PINAGLILINGKURAN NG ANGEL ?

Okay, I already responded your question. You fail on your understanding. 

SA DALAWANG VERSION NA ITO ALIN ANG TAMA AT ALIN NAMAN ANG HUWAD NA ARAL ? READERS KAYO ANG MAGHUHUSGA KUNG ANG SA DALAWANG VERSION ANG TAMA ?

Readers can easy judge your content are so absurd. Nothing new at all just a senseless portion of your arrogant selections. No wonder why you people don't have a revelation. 

Here's a post of my response to his senseless ideology. This was posted in their Group and he can't even refute it rather he just pick one verse not even close to his understanding. Let jump in -

Hey Job Bautista 

Here's a copy from the official Group page posted by Nathaniel Ternora Olaer for you. Hope you like it.

• Angels ministered to Israel - Ex. 14:19
• An Angel ministered to Gideon - Judg. 6:11-23
• An Angel ministered to Peter - Acts 10:9-23
• An Angel Ministered to Paul - Acts 27:23-38
• An Angel Ministered to Zacharias - Luke 1:11-20
• An Angel Ministered to  Joseph - Matt. 1:20-24; 2:13-20
• An Angel Ministered to the virgin Mary - Luke 1:26-38
• Angels ministered to Bethlehem Shepherds - Luke 2:8-15
• Angels ministered Mary Magdalene, The Other Mary, Salome, And Other Women- Matt. 28:9-7; Mark 16:1-7; Luke 24:7-23; John 20:11-13
• An Angel Ministered to Apostles - Acts 1:9-11; 5:17-20
• An Angel Ministered to Philip - Acts 8:26
• An Angel Ministered to Cornelius - Acts 10:3-32; 11:13
• An Angel Ministered to John the Revelator - Rev. 1:1; 10:8-11; 11:1; 17:7; 22:6-16
• Revelations 22:8-9's context is about an angel ministering to John forbades to worship him; worshiping of angels is forbidden (cf. Col. 2:18) and not angels serving to people. God sent angels to help and protect people (Ex. 23:20; Ps. 34:7; 91:11; Luke 4:10-11); and they are ministering spirits (Heb. 1:14). there's nothing wrong with an angel ministering to Nephi. Job just took the whole scriptures out from context.

Credit to Nathaniel Ternora Olaer

Do you get it now?

P.S. Worship and Minister has a different Meaning. Come on, this is so basic.

The above post where I just copied from some friends who made a collection of this topic. I have attempt to review it actually, just a thought to Job Bautista if he's interested in reading it and make a direct comment on each scripture if it has errors or no. Yet I haven't seen any answers from it. 

Now, After, his response and re-posting from his group. This is what we got from his arrogance -

I made my response to his comments.
Using Matthew 4:11
Christ were visited and
was ministered by the Angel.

Which means, you're simply saying
Christ is God, he was
ministered and worship.
So, it's a 100% correct from the Bible.
Thanks for confirming
That Christ is God.

Was that your idea of debunking? This person seems to need some help with their understanding. I hope they can set aside their pride for a while. It's so childish and absurd. Unfortunately, this kind of attitude isn't new.